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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Because you are sick and what is wrong with the system. Unrestrained violence put into the hands of arrogant thugs will always result in oppression and bloodshed.

    Still it si good to know you have no problem with being a murderer. Lets me know I don't have to worry about respecting you.
    i live in reality...you should try it, but it may be scary. Until you have been there, you are clueless but I understand your thought process.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    the shooter also has a right to shoot if he or she feels threatened right? .
    Wrong.
    You have a right to self defense. This does not apply to paranoid delusions.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  4. #63
    This tidbit doesn't make much news. So apparently the officer was in plain clothes, and no doubt was in an unmarked car. Guess people just need to comply with orders from anyone.

    Officers repeatedly told Scott to drop his handgun, the chief said, but he didn't. Officer Brentley Vinson, who is black, then shot him.

    The chief said he was not certain whether Scott pointed his gun at officers. Vinson, who was in plain clothes
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  5. #64
    Apparently this is the brother of Keith Scott. He talks about the officer jumping out with plain clothes, so his brother would not know it was a cop. His further commentary would indicate that he was not an actual witness though, as he appears to be unaware that the cop was black.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGhcG_01sjw
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Wrong.
    You have a right to self defense. This does not apply to paranoid delusions.
    and you know this officer was delusional? You know this officer was not threatened and acted in self defense? No you don't and I don't know either, so at this point speculation is just that. I am 100% for self defense and never said otherwise.
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Apparently this is the brother of Keith Scott. He talks about the officer jumping out with plain clothes, so his brother would not know it was a cop. His further commentary would indicate that he was not an actual witness though, as he appears to be unaware that the cop was black.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGhcG_01sjw
    Maybe the sirens and flashing lights did not give him a clue? The officer had a police vest on that said police but he probably could not see due to the spot and headlights.
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  9. #67
    I think that at some point, someone is going to decide that any interaction with a cop is a threat to their life, and act accordingly. Actually I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
    Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense.
    -Ron Paul

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by DaninPA View Post
    I think that at some point, someone is going to decide that any interaction with a cop is a threat to their life, and act accordingly. Actually I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.


    Mom calls the cops on 3-year-old daughter over seat


    SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (CNN) – An Arizona mom went to the extremes to teach her 3-year-old the importance of seat belt safety.

    Michelle Fortin’s daughter unbuckled her seat belt during a ride home, so her mom called the police.

    Scottsdale Police officers took the opportunity to back up the mom’s message, driving home the importance of seat belts.

    “I guess it was an extreme choice on my part to call the police, but I knew she was gonna remember it.”

    Apparently, the plan worked, the little girl has promised it won’t happen again.



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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This tidbit doesn't make much news. So apparently the officer was in plain clothes, and no doubt was in an unmarked car. Guess people just need to comply with orders from anyone.
    Not sure how a plain clothes cop has body cam video...
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Not sure how a plain clothes cop has body cam video...
    Think there were multiple units present
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    Think there were multiple units present
    But it's entirely possible that the undercover was the first there.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Mom calls the cops on 3-year-old daughter over seat


    SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (CNN) – An Arizona mom went to the extremes to teach her 3-year-old the importance of seat belt safety.

    Michelle Fortin’s daughter unbuckled her seat belt during a ride home, so her mom called the police.

    Scottsdale Police officers took the opportunity to back up the mom’s message, driving home the importance of seat belts.

    “I guess it was an extreme choice on my part to call the police, but I knew she was gonna remember it.”

    Apparently, the plan worked, the little girl has promised it won’t happen again.



    http://news10.com/2016/09/22/mom-cal...ver-seat-belt/
    What a nice officer. He probably didn't even ticket the mother. I hope he doesn't get in trouble for that.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Mom calls the cops on 3-year-old daughter over seat


    SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (CNN) – An Arizona mom went to the extremes to teach her 3-year-old the importance of seat belt safety.

    Michelle Fortin’s daughter unbuckled her seat belt during a ride home, so her mom called the police.

    Scottsdale Police officers took the opportunity to back up the mom’s message, driving home the importance of seat belts.

    “I guess it was an extreme choice on my part to call the police, but I knew she was gonna remember it.”

    Apparently, the plan worked, the little girl has promised it won’t happen again.



    http://news10.com/2016/09/22/mom-cal...ver-seat-belt/
    The woman was on TV. Actually, she called the Police business number and scheduled a visit with the Officer that does school presentations.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I think @Suzanimal can explain its application and how it works.
    It's been modified to to create a bloody entry.

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    She is our ballistics specialist
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    It's been modified to to create a bloody entry.



    Looks effective
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  19. #76
    Martial law in effect in the corporate City of Charlotte. Curfew, military and state of emergency in effect. A very polite, civilized southern brand of martial law however
    Last edited by devil21; 09-23-2016 at 10:58 AM.
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by DaninPA View Post
    I think that at some point, someone is going to decide that any interaction with a cop is a threat to their life, and act accordingly. Actually I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
    Of course it is.

    Any contact with a cop is a life or death situation, to be taken very seriously.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    For myself, yes. But, just because I believe in that does not mean I believe in the Us (black) vs. Blue (white controlled) agenda pushed by the organization. Law enforcement in this country is out of wack and headed towards the <insert Godwin's Law discriptor.> Death by cop is color blind.
    This.

    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I do not. In my opinion they make a big mistake by compartmentalizing the problem into race. Truthfully I think the majority of them would be ok if cops stopped shooting blacks and just shot white people. Which makes them no better than the bootlickers on the other side that automatically assume if a cop shoots a black person they must have been a thug.
    And this.

    We already know that's the case: cops shoot more white people than black people.

    And this $#@! is only going to increase it even more.

    The cops will take, or already have taken, an attitude of "$#@! those ni ggers, let them burn their $#@! down."

    And they will then double down on the killing and beating and shakedowns of the stupid, weak, white folks in AmeriKa who go on licking the cop's $#@!s while standing at attention and singing about the "land of the free" in an open air prison.

  22. #79
    Here's an interesting conspiracy theory. Could the Charlotte riots be manufactured by democrats to help Hillary?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...-out-state-ids

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Here's an interesting conspiracy theory. Could the Charlotte riots be manufactured by democrats to help Hillary?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...-out-state-ids
    I've been watching the arrests.org mugshot site for Mecklenburg County and so far that 70% figure for protest related arrests doesn't stand up. They haven't posted the arrests from last night yet though, just the previous two nights. Some are not from Charlotte but most are local. The majority of non-local arrests are from neighboring areas of NC and SC with only a few from other states. Pretty much everyone arrested is from areas within a couple hour drive.
    Last edited by devil21; 09-23-2016 at 11:12 AM.
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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I've been watching the arrests.org mugshot site for Mecklenburg County and so far that 70% figure for protest related arrests doesn't stand up. They haven't posted the arrests from last night yet though, just the previous two nights. Some are not from Charlotte but most are local. The majority of non-local arrests are from neighboring areas of NC and SC with only a few from other states. Pretty much everyone arrested is from areas within a couple hour drive.
    Yeah, I'm not much on conspiracies. I'm not sure the riots help Hillary anyway now that I think about it. White cops shooting blacks will probably help Hillary, but not the actual riots themselves. Just like terrorist attacks will help Trump. I think he got a big boost from those bombs last week. Especially after the democrats and the media tried to cover it up or at least downplay it.

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  27. #83
    All of this reminds me of an old song I liked as a kid:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyYMXjmzjwQ

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post


    At the start of the video, which is not the start of the confrontation, we see that it is only unmarked vehicles and plain clothes cops. A marked vehicle with uniformed officers does show up, pretty much right before the shooting. Hard to say what the mental state of the victim was. Wife says TBI, and he just took his meds. Suicide by cop?
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Suicide by cop?
    Last I checked, assisted suicide is against the law.

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Last I checked, assisted suicide is against the law.
    You make it sound like you check often.
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    You make it sound like you check often.
    Didn't mean to. <shrug>

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Last I checked, assisted suicide is against the law.
    In bizarro world, some assisted suicides are more equal than others.

    Suicide: if you need assistance, it's probably not your thing.

    On a serious note, there are all kinds of stats about how many people are killed by cops. When you start looking at them individually, it seems that a lot of them are suicide by cop.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In bizarro world, some assisted suicides are more equal than others.

    Suicide: if you need assistance, it's probably not your thing.

    On a serious note, there are all kinds of stats about how many people are killed by cops. When you start looking at them individually, it seems that a lot of them are suicide by cop.
    "Suicide by cop" is a meme that I have seen more often recently. It's used to discount facts. It drives a narrative. "Suicide by cop" coupled with "Cop feared for their life" equals justusfide. I'm not saying that it can't happen. That it doesn't happen. But just because someone might be having an interaction with meds doesn't mean they want to be "suicided."

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Yeah, I'm not much on conspiracies. I'm not sure the riots help Hillary anyway now that I think about it. White cops shooting blacks will probably help Hillary, but not the actual riots themselves. Just like terrorist attacks will help Trump. I think he got a big boost from those bombs last week. Especially after the democrats and the media tried to cover it up or at least downplay it.
    I'm very much on conspiracies but that 70% interview and follow-up articles reek of trying to keep people from joining the protests under concern of "being associated with out-of-state criminals" and "Soros". I'm going to the protests today, mostly in observer mode. Seems like not much can get Americans off their asses to march for much of anything so may as well take in the experience while it's there. On RPF, we've been talking about cops blasting people for YEARS so at least people are marching for something that we've been talking about! Can't get anyone to protest the Fed or never-ending wars or taxes out the wazoo...
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