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Thread: Trump ban is not anti-Muslim, but anti-Iranian, pro-Israel

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Hummmmmmmmmmm

    You are a Zionist, right?

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    LOL , no , I could care squat about those people as well .
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    Because he has a banner under his name which states he voted for neither Clinton nor Trump.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Fine I won't ask the media, I'll ask Iran what they think of it.



    Iran Retaliates to Trump's Order With Ban on U.S. Citizens
    Iran said on Saturday it would stop U.S. citizens entering the country in retaliation to Washington's visa ban against Tehran and six other majority-Muslim countries announced by new U.S. President Donald Trump

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    That is correct. The ban is intended to provoke Iran and has NOTHING to do with national security.

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    ^^THIS^^

    Iran is NOT the bad guy.

    We have been after Iran for decades; helped the Brits with the 1953 coup & overthrow of Iran's democratically elected PM. We installed the horrible Shah as our puppet and then made Iran the bad guy when they took back their country in 1979.

    We want their oil. Period.
    There is no spoon.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^THIS^^

    Iran is NOT the bad guy.

    We have been after Iran for decades; helped the Brits with the 1953 coup & overthrow of Iran's democratically elected PM. We installed the horrible Shah as our puppet and then made Iran the bad guy when they took back their country in 1979.

    We want their oil. Period.
    Over the weekend Trump said the Iran nuclear agreement must be followed 100%. A complete reversal from his campaign rhetoric to AIPAC. My only fear is that Trump was being honest both times, part of following the nuclear agreement is ending it if Iran breaks the rules.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    all of the 7 banned countries are in the Iranian sphere of influence.

    not only is Saudi Arabia not included, but neither is Afghanistan.

    Bannon wrote it, probably with help from Tel-Aviv.

    ill conceived especially with respect to green card holders

    another point: where is Rand? not one word that I have seen

    Justin Amash was out front on this.
    Bannon with help from Israel? That seems unlikely. Everyone was bitching just 2 weeks ago about how much of an anti-semite Bannon is.

    It's insane not to include Saudi Arabia. Saudi terrorists have killed more Americans than any other nationality by an immense margin.

    The Iranians haven't bothered us in any substantial manner since the 70's.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    open borders marxists
    Something to consider:

    ...with classical liberal, neo-classical, Chicago school, Austrian, and even some Keynesian economists agreeing that relatively unfettered labor mobility maximizes economic growth. John Stuart Mill even went so far as to say that migration was “one of the primary sources of progress.” Adam Smith opposed mercantilist restrictions not just on capital, but on labor as well. Ludwig von Mises, the guru of the Austrian school, advocated a system of free trade where capital and labor would be employed wherever conditions are most favorable for production.

    The one prominent exception was Karl Marx. Although he doesn’t seem to have treated this subject in a systematic way, his comments here and there suggest that he was no fan of immigration. For example, he regarded England’s decision to absorb the “surplus” Irishmen being driven out of their country during the Great Famine not as a benefit but a ploy by the English bourgeoisie to “force down wages and lower the material and moral position of the English working class.” The popular, modern-day restrictionist canard that immigration from the Third World to rich countries is tantamount to “importing poverty” has its genesis in Marxist thought. Indeed, far from being embarrassed by this lineage, restrictionists tout it. Consider this quote by Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, the premier restrictionist outfit in the country: “Employer organizations spend enormous resources lobbying the government to import a ‘reserve army of labor,’ to use Marx’s phrase, so that they can hold down their labor costs and avoid unionization.”

    It is ironic that half of the public in the free world, including America, the land of immigrants, sides not with free-market economists like Adam Smith and Ludwig von Mises—but with Marx, the father of socialism.
    http://reason.org/news/show/immigrat...y-open-borders
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Bannon with help from Israel? That seems unlikely. Everyone was bitching just 2 weeks ago about how much of an anti-semite Bannon is.

    It's insane not to include Saudi Arabia. Saudi terrorists have killed more Americans than any other nationality by an immense margin.

    The Iranians haven't bothered us in any substantial manner since the 70's.
    Bannon you mean Breitbart??
    Breitbart and Larry Solov conceived of the idea of founding Breitbart News Network, with "the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel. We were sick of the anti- Israel bias of the mainstream media and J-Street."[

  12. #40
    lol at trying to rat out people's votes. Your vote didn't count anyhow. The only thing that matters is whether someone can call a spade a spade or act as a trumpie sycophantic toy. Kudos and +rep to the OP.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Bannon you mean Breitbart??
    Wish I had rep to give you. Its amazing how naive some people are to the connection between Trump, the Neocons and Israel. The web is not even that complicated but some just cannot see it

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^THIS^^

    Iran is NOT the bad guy.

    We have been after Iran for decades; helped the Brits with the 1953 coup & overthrow of Iran's democratically elected PM. We installed the horrible Shah as our puppet and then made Iran the bad guy when they took back their country in 1979.

    We want their oil. Period.
    I do not want their oil. If the PTB wants their oil they would pay for it with FRN and Iran would gladly accept it like other oil producing countries. Iran is boogie man number one, NK boogie man 2 (no oil) for the MIC. Iran made the PTB angry when they ditched the Shah and gave oil producers the middle finger. The PTB despise any country that tries to get out from under their control.
    USE THIS SITE TO LINK ARTICLES FROM OLIGARCH MEDIA:http://archive.is/ STARVE THE BEAST.
    More Government = Less Freedom
    Communism never disappeared it only changed its name to Social Democrat
    Emotion and Logic mix like oil and water

  16. #43
    Bannon is Goldman Sachs.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^THIS^^
    Iran is NOT the bad guy.
    We have been after Iran for decades; helped the Brits with the 1953 coup & overthrow of Iran's democratically elected PM. We installed the horrible Shah as our puppet and then made Iran the bad guy when they took back their country in 1979.

    We want their oil. Period.


    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    I do not want their oil. If the PTB wants their oil they would pay for it with FRN and Iran would gladly accept it like other oil producing countries. Iran is boogie man number one, NK boogie man 2 (no oil) for the MIC. Iran made the PTB angry when they ditched the Shah and gave oil producers the middle finger. The PTB despise any country that tries to get out from under their control.
    Agreed. 100%.
    If/when Trump $#@!s up... it will be China or Iran.

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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by MallsRGood View Post
    Did you vote for Trump?
    Yep

    Protecting my right to bear arms; I thought was preventing WWIII, and an attempt to rescind the climate agreement
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    .DON'T TAX ME BRO!!!

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    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^THIS^^

    Iran is NOT the bad guy.

    We have been after Iran for decades; helped the Brits with the 1953 coup & overthrow of Iran's democratically elected PM. We installed the horrible Shah as our puppet and then made Iran the bad guy when they took back their country in 1979.

    We want their oil. Period.

    From purely a US standpoint that's true. But the administrations are controlled by the CIA - Prez Trump has succumbed to the swamp . The CIA wants to (1) allow Israel to retain the Golan Heights (2) weakening Syria so it can nort retaliate against Israel when it attacks Iran
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    .DON'T TAX ME BRO!!!

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    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

  20. #47
    alt-right mouthpiece CNN wants you to know that trump's travel ban is not a bad thing:

    Trump's order is a balm for Christians, not a ban on Muslims...

    The purpose is clear and the goals are well within the scope of presidential authority. Moreover, the criteria listed are consistent with American values and principles. Only the most ardent cultural relativist would have reasons to quibble....

    Instead of complaining about President Trump's executive order preventing terrorist attacks from foreign nationals, when we invoke the words 'We the People,' we should celebrate the fact we have someone in the White House willing to go the extra mile to ensure the safety of our citizens.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/opinio...swain-opinion/
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  21. #48
    6 of the 7 countries do not have functional governments. This makes it impossible to vet travelers from those countries.

    It is obviously focused on stopping anarcho-capitalists from visiting the united states.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    all of the 7 banned countries are in the Iranian sphere of influence.

    not only is Saudi Arabia not included, but neither is Afghanistan.

    Bannon wrote it, probably with help from Tel-Aviv.

    ill conceived especially with respect to green card holders

    another point: where is Rand? not one word that I have seen

    Justin Amash was out front on this.
    Little National Security Benefit to Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration

    By ALEX NOWRASTEH SHARE
    Tomorrow, President Trump is expected to sign an executive order enacting a 30-day suspension of all visas for nationals from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. Foreigners from those seven nations have killed zero Americans in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and the end of 2015. Six Iranians, six Sudanese, two Somalis, two Iraqis, and one Yemini have been convicted of attempting or carrying out terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Zero Libyans or Syrians have been convicted of planning a terrorist attack on U.S. soil during that time period.

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    .DON'T TAX ME BRO!!!

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    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Bannon you mean Breitbart??
    No I mean Bannon. He was personally, repeatedly accused of being a jew hater.

  25. #51
    Yeah, Amash has shown some real leadership speaking out on this.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    No I mean Bannon. He was personally, repeatedly accused of being a jew hater.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...ved-in-israel/

    Bannon was a founding member of the board of Breitbart News, a far-right news, opinion and commentary website a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel. We were sick of the anti- Israel bias of the mainstream media and J-Street."[
    “He was and is and remains staunchly pro-Israel,” said Abe Katsman, the chief counsel for Republicans Overseas Israel, who has written for Breitbart News.
    One night in Jerusalem, when we were getting ready for dinner, Andrew turned to me and asked if I would de-partner from the 800-person law firm where I was practicing and become business partners with him. He said he needed my help to create a media company. He needed my help to “change the world.”

  27. #53
    Again, no not Breitbart the website, BANNON the person was repeatedly acused of personally hating jews. You can't seem to distinguish between the two.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/stephen...-need-to-know/

    I have no idea if it is true or not and really don't care.

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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    From purely a US standpoint that's true. But the administrations are controlled by the CIA - Prez Trump has succumbed to the swamp . The CIA wants to (1) allow Israel to retain the Golan Heights (2) weakening Syria so it can nort retaliate against Israel when it attacks Iran
    All presidents have- the last one to buck them big time was JFK and we know what happened to him.
    There is no spoon.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    6 of the 7 countries do not have functional governments. This makes it impossible to vet travelers from those countries.

    It is obviously focused on stopping anarcho-capitalists from visiting the united states.
    Some of those did have functioning governments before USA gave them a healthy dose of democracy.
    USE THIS SITE TO LINK ARTICLES FROM OLIGARCH MEDIA:http://archive.is/ STARVE THE BEAST.
    More Government = Less Freedom
    Communism never disappeared it only changed its name to Social Democrat
    Emotion and Logic mix like oil and water



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  32. #57
    Rand's most populist immigration policy was to restrict people from muslim nations with large uncivilized tribal areas & so-called state terrorism.

    You can't ban Saudi businessmen in the short term. Not to mention the flight paths. I assumed a lot of international flights guy through gulf arab countries & not through Tehran.

    I doubt international flights are stopping in Aleppo.

    If Trump changes forces in Afghanistan he will want to use Pakistan or somewhere also. Not to mention Japanese nationalists,etc. want to use Pakistan and East Turkmenistan to undermine China.


    The most important thing Trump did was to argue you can do without mass third world immigration.

    What's with all these morons thinking 100% of Persians are doctors? It's a form of ethnic-chauvinism that Mark Krikorian talks about.

    That's another part of Trump's appeal. "All Mexicans are hardworking with family values. 0% of them are single mothers on welfare. All Persians are doctors." Trumper:"$#@! off"


    Tehran's hospitals would all be empty if that were the case.

    Persians look good when they reside next to goofy forehead Armenians & illegals Mexicans.
    Last edited by RandallFan; 01-31-2017 at 03:47 PM.
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    Cast it down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose
    fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    yes, and with regard to refugees or new applicants for visas it not bad. but to apply it to green card holders, people who might have left Iran or Syria 40 years, is just insane. people who left Iran after the 1979 Islamic takeover are subject to it. Iraqis who worked for the US military are subject to it. even members of the military born in those countries, and not yet citizens are subject to it. no one wants to have a situation like Germany. it just went too far.

    just imagine Green card holders from other countries, and their families. they will be afraid to travel for fear a stupid executive order could affect them. and it could, if some nut from England or France does something, the entire country would be banned?
    im not sure why you quoted me.
    How does this comment of yours relate to my question quoted?

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    That is correct. The ban is intended to provoke Iran and has NOTHING to do with national security.

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    It never has. It had nothing to do with national security when we attacked and imposed a brutal dictator on Iran.

    It had nothing to do with National Security when we attacked them by Proxy via Iraq.

    They have learned from being attacked.. They invested in Defense..
    Attacking them would be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

    and they would make much better allies.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  35. #60
    Sing this to the tune of Barbara Ann:

    Trump's national security adviser, Michael Flynn, said the United States was putting Iran on notice over its "destabilizing activity" after it fired the missile.

    "As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice," Flynn said, without explaining exactly what that meant.
    http://www.newsweek.com/iran-ballist...d-trump-551436
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

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