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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    No, it assumes that GDP will increase and therefore reduce spending as a percentage of GDP all by itself. Trump is going to wave his magic wand in his tiny, tiny hands and cause 10 consecutive years of 3% economic growth.
    If Trump gets budget cut and spending cuts like he wants, the real GDP will increase and size of federal government will shrink in proportion to GDP. This is a libertarian budget that has a chance to actually happen.

    You fear budget and tax cuts, because then you will have nothing to complain about.
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Absolutely. There is no fiscally conservative party, regardless of the generally accepted narrative.




    In other words, both parties are parties of "free money," the only difference is the source.
    Which is why I don't believe it will end until the dollar collapses. That's when the "free money" runs out. Until then it's human nature to follow the path of least resistance.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    If Trump gets budget cut and spending cuts like he wants, the real GDP will increase and size of federal government will shrink in proportion to GDP. This is a libertarian budget that has a chance to actually happen.

    You fear budget and tax cuts, because then you will have nothing to complain about.
    Except it's a budget increase. Most likely a big increase. Just wait.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    If Trump gets budget cut and spending cuts like he wants, the real GDP will increase and size of federal government will shrink in proportion to GDP. This is a libertarian budget that has a chance to actually happen.

    You fear budget and tax cuts, because then you will have nothing to complain about.
    This is objectively untrue. It contradicts the actual budget Trump proposed. Are you a troll?

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    ...our great conservative republican, trump, has proposed massive cuts!...and he will surely get this done...just like our great conservative republican, reagan!...yea republicans!!..go republicans!!...rah rah rah...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.1e46a319cf44

    President Reagan yesterday called for $41.4 billion in spending reductions in the 1982 fiscal year.
    About $16 billion of this would come from programs that primarily aid the poor, but would be taken, the administration maintained, in ways that would not hurt the truly needy. Medicaid, food stamps, housing aid to the poor and unemployment compensation all would be affected. Tenants in subsidized housing, the fastest growing of all federal welfare programs, would be required to pay 30 percent of income in rent, up from 25 percent now, and fewer new units would be added to the program.
    Grants to state and local governments would also be much reduced, and the U.S. Conference of Mayors quickly said through its president, Richard G. Hatcher of Gary, that Reagan's proposals "are not fair" to the cities.
    About $6.7 billion in further cuts could come in spending and loan programs that subsidize specific sectors of the economy. Among victims of these would be railroad, the Postal Service, dairy farmers, the Corporation for Public. Broadcasting, companies that sell airliners and nuclear power plants abroad, would-be synfuel producers, and some beneficiaries of federal water projects. Reagan is seeking to cut these projects somewhat as Jimmy Carter did four years ago.
    The $41.4 billion is a first installment in a program Reagan hopes will limit future growth in federal spending to 6 percent a year, starting with the 1982 fiscal year that begins Oct. 1.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    If Trump gets budget cut and spending cuts like he wants, the real GDP will increase and size of federal government will shrink in proportion to GDP. This is a libertarian budget that has a chance to actually happen.

    You fear budget and tax cuts, because then you will have nothing to complain about.
    1) What, precisely, is libertarian about this budget? What freedoms will this budget enable? I do not measure my personal liberty "in proportion to GDP."

    2) $7 trillion in tax cuts vs. $3 trillion in budget cuts... printing even more money is not taking this country in a freedom-y direction.
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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Except it's a budget increase. Most likely a big increase. Just wait.
    It is not an increase. A libertarian is not going to increase the budget.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    1) What, precisely, is libertarian about this budget? What freedoms will this budget enable? I do not measure my personal liberty "in proportion to GDP."

    2) $7 trillion in tax cuts vs. $3 trillion in budget cuts... printing even more money is not taking this country in a freedom-y direction.
    Gives Trump more leverage to lower taxes more.
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    Gives Trump more leverage to lower taxes more.
    Do you believe that the federal government should be allowed to deficit spend?

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    It is not an increase. A libertarian is not going to increase the budget.
    Sarcasm?

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    It is not an increase. A libertarian is not going to increase the budget.
    Dump is a Libertarian now?
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  14. #72
    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ape-government

    That "balanced budget after ten years"?

    The independent Tax Policy Center estimated that Trump’s campaign tax plan would add $7.2 trillion to the deficit. Economic growth spurred by Trump’s tax and regulation policy would add more than $2 trillion in tax revenue, according to the budget documents.

    The budget also makes use of several other classic accounting gimmicks. It assumes that the wars in Afghanistan and the Middle East will cause future Congresses to allocate $593 billion in extra war funding that won’t be needed and then claims to save that amount by not spending it.

    The Trump budget also assumes a $35 billion savings from changes to financial services industry regulations and a repeal of the Dodd-Frank law’s orderly liquidation authority, under which financial regulators are empowered to untangle and wind down the biggest banks in a crisis. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projected savings of $14.5 billion over a decade from eliminating the authority.
    It assumes three percent annual economic growth every year for the next decade without a single economic slowdown. It struggled to hit two percent growth over the last decade and US population growth has been declining and with the retiring baby boom generation, the available work force will be declining (unless we let in more immigrants of working ages).

    The "Medicaid cuts" are still increases- but smaller increases.

    And the budget has not factored in any of his desired tax cuts.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    It is not an increase. A libertarian is not going to increase the budget.
    This is objectively untrue. It contradicts the actual budget Trump proposed. Are you a troll?
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    This is objectively untrue. It contradicts the actual budget Trump proposed.
    That depends on whether you get your information from the deep state mainstream media or the Trump administration.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Are you a troll?
    I would ask that to the people defending the deep state mainstream media narrative, such as yourself.
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That depends on whether you get your information from the deep state mainstream media or the Trump administration.



    I would ask that to the people defending the deep state mainstream media narrative, such as yourself.

    Oh FFS! The information revealing that this budget increases sprnding was published by the Trump administration on the White House web site. That's as close to straight from the horse's mouth as it gets. Deep state mainstream media narrative?

    This $#@! has gone WAY beyond ridiculous.
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Oh FFS! The information revealing that this budget increases sprnding was published by the Trump administration on the White House web site. That's as close to straight from the horse's mouth as it gets. Deep state mainstream media narrative?

    This $#@! has gone WAY beyond ridiculous.
    Did you read the OP? The White House is claiming that the budget will be balanced within 10 years under this plan. I don't know if that is true, but neither do you so stop pretending like it.

    Are you trying to say that a plan with increased spending and decreased taxes balances the budget in 10 years? That is impossible.

    What is going on is that there are two different interpretations of the data that the White House has given out - one of the interpretations, the one that you are supporting, is what the deep state is narrating. Do you want to be the official narrator for the deep state? Is that your goal? If so you are doing a great job, but you have some pretty good competition here unfortunately.
    Last edited by dannno; 05-24-2017 at 06:10 PM.
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  20. #77

    https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/s...16713243111425
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by CPUd View Post

    https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/s...16713243111425
    Maybe it is because there is no error where they "use the same money twice". Maybe that is just another deep state narrative.
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  22. #79
    Will the Trump administration double-count its magic asterisk?

    By Greg Leiserson May 22, 2017


    Press reports indicate that President Donald Trump’s budget, scheduled for release tomorrow, will assert that administration policies can deliver a balanced budget in 10 years by combining sharp cuts to anti-poverty and safety net programs with growth from unspecified or minimally detailed tax and regulatory reforms. According to these reports, the forthcoming budget assumes that the rate of economic growth will reach 3 percent by 2021. In contrast, the Congressional Budget Office projects a growth rate of 1.9 percent for the same year.

    Assuming large growth effects from policies that have yet to be specified in detail certainly qualifies as fantasy budgeting or, in Washington terms, a magic asterisk. But what’s even more striking about the anticipated budget plan is the expected assertion that revenue-neutral tax reform will contribute to deficit reduction. Administration officials and congressional Republicans have been explicit that they plan to credit the revenue feedback from any growth delivered by tax reform against the cost of tax reform. Yet counting the revenue feedback from growth in assessing whether a tax reform proposal increases or decreases revenues means that there is no additional revenue to reduce the deficit below the level that would be realized under current law.

    In short, the Trump administration seems prepared to double-count the gains from its magic asterisk.

    A back-of-the-envelope calculation suggests that the assumed growth rates could add $2 trillion to revenues relative to the CBO’s current-law baseline. Thus, a budget that purports to achieve balance predicated on this growth could be short by well more than $1 trillion—even if the growth projections were realized—by failing to recognize that the revenues from tax-reform-induced growth are going to be used to offset the cost of that reform. (The exact overstatement of revenues would depend on how much growth is attributed to tax reform and how much growth is attributed to other policies in justifying the economic assumptions.)

    This estimate of the overstatement of revenues would be conservative even if large growth effects were realized, as it ignores both the implausibility of the administration’s growth forecasts and the large revenue losses that would result from the tax reform plans that the Trump campaign and the administration have put forth previously. The Tax Policy Center, for example, estimated that then-candidate Trump’s plan would cost $6 trillion while delivering less than $200 billion in revenue feedback from growth in the first decade of its implementation—before ultimately harming growth in the long run by running up the debt and thus reducing investment. These estimates suggest that the administration’s budget documents could be understating deficits by well more than $6 trillion relative to the actual impact of its policies.

    Even by the standards of the federal budget, which operates at a scale that is sometimes difficult to comprehend, these numbers are large. If only $1 trillion is attributable to double-counting the gains from tax reform, that’s still more than the savings that the American Heath Care Act realizes by taking health insurance away from 14 million Americans through Medicaid cuts. Moreover, the CBO’s most recent deficit projections under current law total $9 trillion for the next 10 years. Assuming the administration will achieve balance by the 10th year but not before, the Tax Policy Center’s estimates of the Trump tax plan suggest that the president and his economic policy team could be claiming to reach balance while actually making the 10-year deficit outlook worse—even with harsh cuts to anti-poverty programs and policies that sharply reduce the number of Americans with health insurance.

    How will it be apparent that the administration is not merely assuming implausible growth from its policies but actually double-counting those same growth projections? Traditionally, the president’s budget is presented on a set of post-policy economic assumptions. That is, the economic assumptions underlying the budget assume the enactment of the president’s policies. Judged against this set of economic assumptions, a revenue-neutral tax plan with implausible growth effects, such as those previously promised by the administration, should appear as a large tax cut, measured in the low trillions of dollars. Since the administration is pointing to tax reform as a justification for the rosy economic assumptions, this is the most likely approach—and the most likely criteria by which the budget should be judged.

    While the traditional approach to budgeting includes the impact of proposed policies in setting the economic assumptions, there is an alternative approach that would be more consistent with the administration’s rhetoric on tax reform. In fact, the Obama administration used this approach when it counted deficit reduction resulting from economic growth generated by certain elements of immigration reform as a policy impact in its budgets. Under this alternative approach, the economic effects of a policy change are ignored when setting the economic assumptions. But by ignoring the growth impacts when setting the economic assumptions, those growth impacts can be included in the budget estimate for the proposal without double-counting the gains.

    Thus, while the CBO concluded in 2013 that immigration reform would add 3.3 percent to gross domestic product 10 years after enactment, the economic assumptions underlying the last budget submitted by the Obama administration incorporated growth of only 0.7 percent attributable to immigration reform in its economic assumptions. The difference between 0.7 percent and 3.3 percent reflected the growth that had been included in estimating the budgetary impact of the proposed immigration reform. Critically, if the Trump administration takes this second course in estimating the impact of tax reform on the budget, then budget documents would appropriately show no impact of tax reform on revenues—but the administration would then need to justify its economic assumptions without reference to tax reform.

    The analysis above takes administration officials’ previous public statements as informative about the direction of policy. Another option would be to recognize the budget as a statement of administration policy that supersedes those previous statements. Under this view, including the growth impacts of tax reform in setting the economic assumptions for the budget while showing no revenue impact of tax reform would amount to a statement that the administration now believes tax reform should be revenue-neutral based on conventional scoring—excluding impacts on growth—and any gains from growth should thus be used to reduce the deficit.

    Recognizing the long-term fiscal challenges the country faces, this approach would be a wise policy choice on the part of the new administration. And in combination with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin’s previous statements ruling out a tax cut for the upper class—the so-called Mnuchin rule—this addendum would provide a solid foundation for real tax reform. Yet it is unlikely that this is the course the administration intends to pursue.

    So when the administration presents the budget tomorrow, watch not only for rosy economic assumptions to improve the deficit outlook but also for double-counting of the benefits of those economic assumptions. If the administration does in fact double-count the benefits, then recognize and understand the implied policy content of that choice. And if the administration tries to justify its harsh cuts to anti-poverty and safety net programs on the basis of clear-eyed fiscal accounting, then remember that these same officials are anything but clear-eyed when it comes to accounting for their plans for tax reform.
    http://equitablegrowth.org/tax-finan...agic-asterisk/
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  23. #80
    "Press reports indicate that President Donald Trump’s budget, scheduled for release tomorrow"

    I think we should talk about this when we have the actual budget.

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  25. #81
    A. Are the "cuts" real cuts or reductions in proposed increases (I would assume the latter).

    B. Do the "cuts" (real or otherwise) occur mostly (if at all) prior to January 20, 2021 (I would assume not)?

    C. Regardless, does anyone really believe Trumpenfuhrer is doing anything other than PR with this thing (if so, you shouldn't)?

  26. #82
    No substantial cuts will ever happen. Taxes will continue to rise. Jobs will continue to vanish...

    It's the new normal...
    BEWARE THE CULT OF "GOVERNMENT"

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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    C. Regardless, does anyone really believe Trumpenfuhrer is doing anything other than PR with this thing (if so, you shouldn't)?
    PR is what the deep state does. Every word and alternative fact that pours out of Trump's mouth is like a golden river of truth splashing warmly over our faces.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That depends on whether you get your information from the deep state mainstream media or the Trump administration.


    I would ask that to the people defending the deep state mainstream media narrative, such as yourself.
    I'm only going to say this once, and then I am going to resume ignoring you.

    CNN headline: "Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts"

    Actual budget released by Trump: 2018 32 billion dollar increase over 2017 2018 32 billion dollar increase over previous year 2019 278 billion dollar increase over 2017 2019 246 billion dollar increase over previous year 2020 408 billion dollar increase over 2017 2020 130 billion dollar increase over previous year 2021 555 billion dollar increase over 2017 2021 147 billion dollar increase over previous year 2022 770 billion dollar increase over 2017 2022 215 billion dollar increase over previous year 2023 871 billion dollar increase over 2017 2023 101 billion dollar increase over previous year 2024 1011 billion dollar increase over 2017 2024 140 billion dollar increase over previous year 2025 1244 billion dollar increase over 2017 2025 233 billion dollar increase over previous year 2026 1465 billion dollar increase over 2017 2026 221 billion dollar increase over previous year 2027 1646 billion dollar increase over 2017 2027 181 billion dollar increase over previous year


    YOU are the one repeating the MSM narrative. Stop trolling RPF.

    And I have a request to make of every reasonable person on the forums. Since @Bryan refuses to take out the trash: stop feeding these trolls. Just set danno et al to ignore and say something interesting and insightful for real members to respond to instead of wasting your time talking to trolls. If we all did this the oxygen would be taken out of the dumpster fire that is the RPF troll brigade.
    Last edited by The Rebel Poet; 05-24-2017 at 07:53 PM.
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  29. #85
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Rebel Poet again.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno
    That depends on whether you get your information from the deep state mainstream media or the Trump administration.
    For real, honest, alternative news, see the White House press release..


  30. #86
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Rebel Poet again.



    For real, honest, alternative news, see the White House press release..

    Uh, no, that's not what I said at all.

    I said that listening to the deep state mainstream media is moronic. I did NOT say that what the Trump admin is saying is accurate.

    I am going to wait to hear Rand and/or Massie's opinion on this budget before even beginning to form my own.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    That would be a pretty lame response for a real libertarian.
    That may be true. Until Trump fires everyone in Washington, including himself and Congress, then nothing he does is libertarian. His "plan" to spend $40 trillion instead of $43.5 trillion over the next ten years does not impress me.



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by The Gold Standard View Post
    That may be true. Until Trump fires everyone in Washington, including himself and Congress, then nothing he does is libertarian. His "plan" to spend $40 trillion instead of $43.5 trillion over the next ten years does not impress me.
    You can't fire people with civil service protection very easily. Civil service protection was put in under Chester Arthur administration to prevent corruption of the spoils system.
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei View Post
    You can't fire people with civil service protection very easily. Civil service protection was put in under Chester Arthur administration to prevent corruption of the spoils system.
    I'm sure there are lots of excuses.

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