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    Trump Will Announce Iran Deal Decision At 2 PM Tuesday

    President Donald Trump tweeted Monday afternoon that he will be announcing his long-awaited decision on whether the US will be pulling out of the Iran deal tomorrow at 2 pm ET. The decision will be announced from the White House.
    I will be announcing my decision on the Iran Deal tomorrow from the White House at 2:00pm.
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 7, 2018


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...on-2pm-tuesday
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    American POTUS should put America First and make foreign policy decisions keeping American interests in mind.

    If any shady lobbies or money baggers try to pressure him in nefarious way, he should take Congress/media/public into confidence.


    Publisher of the ‘Atlanta Jewish Times’ suggests Mossad should assassinate Obama
    Adam Horowitz on January 20, 2012
    John Cook reports at Gawker:
    Andrew Adler, the owner and publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, a weekly newspaper serving Atlanta’s Jewish community, devoted his January 13, 2012 column to the thorny problem of the U.S. and Israel’s diverging views on the threat posed by Iran. Basically Israel has three options, he wrote: Strike Hezbollah and Hamas, strike Iran, or “order a hit” on Barack Obama. Either way, problem solved!
    Here’s how Adler laid out “option three” in his list of scenarios facing Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu (the column, which was forwarded to us by a tipster, isn’t online, but you can read a copy here):

    Three, give the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his place, and forcefully dictate that the United States’ policy includes its helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies.
    Yes, you read “three” correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence. Think about it. If I have thought of this Tom Clancy-type scenario, don’t you think that this almost unfathomable idea has been discussed in Israel’s most inner circles?
    Another way of putting “three” in perspective goes something like this: How far would you go to save a nation comprised of seven million lives…Jews, Christians and Arabs alike?
    You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table.








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    U.K., Israel Make Final Pitches as Trump Considers Exiting Iran Deal

    May 7, 2018

    U.K. Foreign Minister Boris Johnson is in Washington this week to make a last-ditch argument to persuade President Donald Trump to remain in the Iran nuclear deal, arguing the agreement is flawed but can be improved.

    “We need to find a way of fixing that, and the president has been right to call attention to it, but you can’t just do that without throwing the baby out with the bathwater,” Johnson said Monday in an appearance on Fox News.


    Boris Johnson

    Photographer: Chris J. Ratcliffe/Bloomberg
    With the time at hand for Trump to decide whether the U.S. remains in the Iran nuclear deal, world leaders are making their final pitches.
    Johnson is scheduled to meet this week with Vice President Mike Pence, National Security Adviser John Bolton and other administration and congressional officials to try to salvage the pact aimed at curbing Iran’s nuclear program in return for the easing of international sanctions. Johnson’s arrival follows recent visits by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
    ‘Fixed or Nixed’

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday that the 2015 accord is fatally flawed and must be “fully fixed or nixed” to stop Iranian aggression sooner than later. His comments came as Iranian President Hassan Rouhani warned that the U.S. would face “historic” regret if it pulled out.
    Trump faces a May 12 deadline to decide whether to continue waiving key sanctions and has declined to reveal what he’ll do. While the president has repeatedly called the accord a bad deal for the U.S., and Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Saturday he expects it to be torn up, Trump also said last week that his antipathy “doesn’t mean I wouldn’t negotiate a new agreement.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...exit-iran-deal

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    Shouldn't Congress be deciding any foreign "deals?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Shouldn't Congress be deciding any foreign "deals?"
    The Senate in particular.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    President Hassan Rouhani hinted on Monday that Iran could remain in its 2015 nuclear deal with world powers even if the United States dropped out but Tehran would fiercely resist U.S. pressure to limit its influence in the Middle East.

    Rouhani said the Islamic Republic had been preparing for every possible scenario, including a deal without Washington - which would still include the other signatories that remain committed to it - or no deal at all.
    “We are not worried about America’s cruel decisions ... We are prepared for all scenarios and no change will occur in our lives next week,” Rouhani said in a speech broadcast live on state TV.

    More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1I80OL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Trump Will Announce Iran Deal Decision At 2 PM Tuesday
    So, in other words, I should have a good lunch tomorrow, because it might be my last?

    ...if President Bolton chooses to attack Iran, that will be the end of American imperium, guaranteed.

    It may also be the end of this stage of civilization ('the world'), as other nuclear powers could very easily become involved.

    "Our" government has become very, dangerously, lazy, stupid, and arrogant. They forget how the world and diplomacy actually works.



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    Trump's ridiculous hate for the Iran deal was the reason I knew he was not to be trusted.
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    I don't know anything about foreign policy. But it seems like breaking these agreements (whether they are bad or not) with Iran or Gaddafi reduces the credibility of the US and would make it harder to negotiate with North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Shouldn't Congress be deciding any foreign "deals?"
    Congress has abdicated nearly all of their responsibilities to the supreme executive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Congress has abdicated nearly all of their responsibilities to the supreme executive.
    Not this one, O'Bummer just violated the Constitution without even the cloak of Congress transferring the power. (Like DACA)
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not this one, O'Bummer just violated the Constitution without even the cloak of Congress transferring the power. (Like DACA)
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...l/1191/actions
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Shouldn't Congress be deciding any foreign "deals?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The Senate in particular.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not this one, O'Bummer just violated the Constitution without even the cloak of Congress transferring the power. (Like DACA)
    The last constitutional war fought was WWII- where's the outrage on this?
    There is no spoon.

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    Will Trump Affirm the Empire?
    Michael S. Rozeff

    Trump will announce his current decision on the Iran nuclear deal today at 2 p.m. If he withdraws from it, that affirms his support of the American Empire and renewed hostile relations of the U.S. and its allies with Iran. It confirms the empire itself as the moving force in American foreign relations.

    The U.S. interest as limited to Iranian nuclear weaponry has already been achieved without significant cost to the U.S. in the current deal. Trump will be irrational if he breaks the deal on the basis of a nuclear concern. This deal already states “Iran reaffirms that under no circumstances will Iran ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.”

    Pompeo, Trump and other anti-Iran politicians have harped on the limited horizon of the deal, but Iran has already committed itself to being a nuclear-weapon free country indefinitely.

    It is impossible to believe that the nuclear deal itself is at issue between the U.S. and Iran. U.S. strategists know that the U.S. has an overwhelming set of military advantages over Iran, and the Iran regime knows that it will succumb in any outright war. The U.S. knows that it can inflict great damage on any sort of Iranian military progress, whether in nuclear weaponry or ballistic missiles, at any time it chooses. War with Iran, however, has high costs that the U.S. prefers to avoid. Iran knows this. The U.S. has postponed an outright clash and deferred Iran’s nuclear development by many years through this deal.

    But nuclear matters are not all that’s on the table. U.S.-Iran relations are in conflict over two other pressing matters. The U.S. has not succeeded in preventing Iran from improving its ballistic missiles. The U.S. has not prevented Iran from helping Syria and penetrating more deeply into Syria. In addition, the U.S. dislikes Iran’s penetration into South America and its role in Yemen, although these are not major concerns. Yemen is not a big issue, despite Saudi Arabia’s noises.

    If the U.S. breaks the nuclear deal, it cannot be because of concern over Iran’s development of nuclear weapons, because such a break only motivates Iran to resume development. The reason, if there is any, is to have a free hand to deal with Iran’s ballistic missiles and Iran’s military in Syria. It is part of the U.S. strategy to end the regime of Assad in Syria and/or to prevent Iran from exploiting its presence in Syria. The U.S. wants to be able to re-impose stiff sanctions and to have its allies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, deal with Iran’s military presence in Syria. The U.S. proposes to stay in the deal if Iran halts its missile development and withdraws from Syria.

    The U.S. can’t make any of these moves, which amount to low-level war with Iran, without breaking the deal, because the entire tenor of the deal and specific language within it aim at peace and create peace up to a point. Breaking the deal repudiates the peace achieved between Iran and the U.S. and resumes hostile relations. This won’t lead to a better deal, and Trump makes a big mistake if he thinks it will and withdraws for that reason. War hawks and neocons want the resumption of hostile relations. They want stronger military action against Iran.

    In its role as superpower and center of an empire, the U.S. places itself in conflict with Iran over Iran’s missile developments and presence in Syria. These are not “natural” problems for Americans. There are no significant threats in Iran’s being a regional power or coming into conflict with Israel, itself a competing regional power. These conflicts that the U.S. has with Iran and similar “problems” are not “our” problems as Americans. They have all arisen because the U.S. became an empire and big-league world player a long time ago. We now are living with this aspect of our government. We do not have to accept it. We can repudiate the empire. Trump will be affirming the empire if he withdraws from the Iran nuclear deal.

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    Do Americans Want To Die For Israel?
    By Paul Craig Roberts

    PaulCraigRoberts.org

    May 8, 2018

    Only a few days remain before Trump announces whether he is pulling the US out of the multi-nation agreement with Iran. Iran has kept the agreement.

    Even Washington’s vassals—UK, France, Germany—have announced that they are sticking with the agreement.

    So where is the pressure on Trump coming from to destroy the carefully negotiated agreement in which Iran agreed to forgo development of nuclear weapons?

    It comes from Israel and Israel’s American Fifth Column—the neoconservatives.
    Israel is the reason for Washington’s hostility toward Syria and Iran. Israel has twice tried to occupy southern Lebanon, which Israel covets for its water resources, and twice Israel was driven out by the Hezbollah militia.

    Hezbollah is supplied by Syria and Iran. If Israel succeeds in using the US military to destabilize Syria and Iran, Hezbollah would be cut off from supplies, and Israel could succeed in its invasion of southern Lebanon.

    That is what it all the lies told about Iran are about. By creating a bogyman out of Iran, Israel can build up the American public’s support for US military action against Iran.

    The Saker says that “Americans should ask themselves—Do I want to die for Israel?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Shouldn't Congress be deciding any foreign "deals?"
    This is the deal Obama made with Iran.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    This is the deal Obama made with Iran.
    As @TheCount posted:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...l/1191/actions
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    So all drama was for nothing?


    Unswayed by Allies, Trump Is Expected to Leave Iran Deal, Diplomats Say

    New York Times 1h ago

    The US Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron
    New York Times 23m ago



    One of these two NYT reports has to be fakenews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    So all drama was for nothing?


    Unswayed by Allies, Trump Is Expected to Leave Iran Deal, Diplomats Say
    New York Times 1h ago



    The US Will Withdraw From Iran Nuclear Deal, Trump Tells Macron
    New York Times 23m ago



    One of these two NYT reports has to be fakenews.
    uh, what??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Obama’s hidden Iran deal giveaway
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...release-236966
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Oops Obama should have followed the law and had it passed by the senate as a treaty.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Oops Obama should have followed the law and had it passed by the senate as a treaty.
    Unnecessary work given the upcoming Hillary's presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Obama’s hidden Iran deal giveaway
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...release-236966
    Nope.

    So where is the pressure on Trump coming from to destroy the carefully negotiated agreement in which Iran agreed to forgo development of nuclear weapons?

    It comes from Israel and Israel’s American Fifth Column—the neoconservatives.
    Israel is the reason for Washington’s hostility toward Syria and Iran. Israel has twice tried to occupy southern Lebanon, which Israel covets for its water resources, and twice Israel was driven out by the Hezbollah militia.

    Hezbollah is supplied by Syria and Iran. If Israel succeeds in using the US military to destabilize Syria and Iran, Hezbollah would be cut off from supplies, and Israel could succeed in its invasion of southern Lebanon.

    That is what it all the lies told about Iran are about. By creating a bogyman out of Iran, Israel can build up the American public’s support for US military action against Iran.
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    Even Pat Buchanan is against withdrawing.

    Don't Trash the Nuclear Deal!
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    May 8, 2018

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    This next week may determine whether President Trump extricates us from that cauldron of conflict that is the Middle East, as he promised, or plunges us even deeper into these forever wars.

    Friday will see the sixth in a row of weekly protests at the Gaza border fence in clashes that have left 40 Palestinians dead and 1,500 wounded by live fire from Israeli troops.

    Monday, the U.S. moves its embassy to Jerusalem. Tuesday will see the triumphal celebration of the 70th birthday of the state of Israel.

    Palestinians will commemorate May 15 as Nakba, “The catastrophe,” where hundred of thousands of their people fled their homes in terror to live in stateless exile for seven decades.

    Violence could begin Friday and stretch into next week.

    Yet more fateful for our future is the decision Trump will make by Saturday. May 12 is his deadline to decide whether America trashes the Iran nuclear deal and reimposes sanctions.
    While our NATO allies are imploring Trump not to destroy the deal and start down a road that is likely to end in war with Iran, Bibi Netanyahu on Sunday called this a Munich moment:

    “Nations that did not act in time against murderous aggression against them paid a much higher price later on.”

    From a U.S. standpoint, the Munich analogy seems absurd.

    Iran is making no demands on the United States. Its patrol boats have ceased harassing our warships in the Persian Gulf. Its forces in Iraq and Syria do not interfere with our operations against ISIS. And, according to U.N. inspectors, Iran is abiding by the terms of the nuclear deal.

    Iran has never tested a nuclear device and never enriched uranium to weapons grade. Under the deal, Iran has surrendered 95 percent of its uranium, shut down most of its centrifuges and allowed cameras and inspectors into all of its nuclear facilities.

    Why Iran is abiding by the deal is obvious. For Iran it is a great deal.
    Having decided in 2003 not to build a bomb, Iran terminated its program. Then Tehran decided to negotiate with the U.S. for return of $100 billion in frozen assets from the Shah’s era — by proving they were not doing what every U.S. intelligence agency said they were not doing.

    Should Iran rashly decide to go for a nuclear weapon, it would have to fire up centrifuges to enrich uranium to a level that they have never done, and then test a nuclear device, and then weaponize it.

    A crash bomb program would be detected almost instantly and bring a U.S. ultimatum which, if defied, could bring airstrikes. Why would Trump risk losing the means to monitor Iran’s compliance with the deal?

    Israel, too, has an arsenal of nuclear weapons that can be delivered by Jericho missile, submarine-based cruise missile, and the Israeli air force.

    Why then is the world anxiously awaiting a decision by President Trump that could lead to an unnecessary war with Iran?

    The president painted himself into this corner. He has called the Iran nuclear deal “insane” and repeatedly pledged to tear it up.
    The Israelis, Saudis and Beltway War Party want the deal trashed, because they want a U.S. clash with Iran. They are not afraid of war. Instead, they fear Trump will extricate us from the Middle East before we do our historic duty and effect regime change in Iran.

    What is Israel’s motive? Israel fears that the Iranians, having contributed to Bashar Assad’s victory in Syria’s civil war, will stay on and establish bases and a weapons pipeline to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Israel has launched scores of airstrikes into Syria to prevent this.

    The problem for Bibi: While Trump sees no vital U.S. interest in Syria and has expressed his wish to get out when ISIS is demolished and scattered, Bibi has cast us in the lead role in taking down Iran in Syria.

    Trump may want to stay out of the next phase of the Syrian civil war. Bibi is counting on the Americans to fight it.

    But while Bibi may have a vital interest in driving Iran out of Syria, Iran is no threat to any vital interest of the United States.

    Iran’s economy is in dreadful shape. Its youth have voted repeatedly against presidential candidates favored by the Ayatollah. There are regular constant demonstrations against the regime.

    Time is not on the side of the Islamic Republic.

    Fifty million Persians, leading a Shiite nation of Persians, Azeris, Baloch, Arabs and Kurds, are not going to control a vast Middle East of hundreds of millions of Arabs and Turks in an Islamic world where Shiites are outnumbered five times over by Sunnis.

    For the United States, the strategic challenge of this century is not Iran, North Korea or Russia. If it is any nation, it is China.

    Trump the dealmaker should find a way to keep the nuclear deal with Iran. We are far better off with it than without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

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