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    When State Governors Tried To Take Back Control of the National Guard

    08/19/2019 • Ryan McMaken

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    A West Virginia state lawmaker plans to re-introduce a bill next session that would require Congress declare war or call forth the state militia before the West Virginia National Guard could be released from state control and sent into combat. Currently, as The Intelligencer (of Wheeling) puts it: "the authority to activate the Guard rests with West Virginia’s governor."

    But this doesn't quite describe the reality. State governors are expected to send state National Guard troops wherever and whenever the Pentagon orders.

    So, in recent decades, whenever states or governors have attempted to have some say over what the Pentagon does with state troops, the Department of Defense has responded with threats.

    For example, in the case of McGeehan's bill:


    Leaders with the West Virginia National Guard opposed the "Protect the Guard" measure, and said it could have cost the state millions as military missions would have been deferred to other states if the measure had been enacted.


    According to McGeehan, "After the success on Monday, the Adjutant General of the West Virginia National Guard (James Hoyer) — along with the military brass at the Pentagon — aggressively worked behind the scenes to kill the bill,"

    The Pentagon threatened to withdraw both federal military spending and materiel from the state, with a National Guard spokesman saying:


    If enacted, the (U.S. Department of Defense) couldn’t count on us to be deployable ... Missions and projects would go to other states, and there would be a loss of millions of dollars to West Virginia.


    This isn't the first time the Department of Defense has essentially bribed state politicians into buckling under demands for total state acquiescence to Pentagon demands.


    The Governors' Revolt of 1986

    In the mid-1980s, the Reagan administration's use of American troops in Central America had become increasingly controversial. The administration's policy was being criticized for favoring brutal regimes in the region's civil wars. Moreover, at barely more than a decade since the end of the Vietnam War, many Americans were less than enthusiastic about another round of US military intervention.

    Consequently, many within the Democratic Party were both ideologically and politically motivated to find new ways to oppose the Pentagon's use of National Guard troops in Central America.

    In a report for the US Army War College, Historian Col. James Burgess, Col. Reid K. Beveridge, and Lt. Col. George Hargrove write:


    Governor Joseph Brennan of Maine was the first to act. That year, he prohibited the deployment of 48 Maine Army Guardsmen to Honduras. ... Brennan's statement was immediately picked up by a number of other Democratic governors, who either stated they would refuse deployments of their troops or would refuse if tasked for a deployment. Principal among these were Governors Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts, Madeline Kunin of Vermont, Rudy Perpich of Minnesota, Bruce Babbitt of Arizona (although Arizona Guardsmen ultimately deployed), Richard Celeste of Ohio, Richard Lamm of Colorado and [Toney] Anaya of New Mexico. Expressing some reservations at the time also were governors Mario Cuomo of New York and Mark White of Texas.


    Needless to say, this was inconvenient for the Pentagon which was used to using state troops to supplement deployments with a minimum of fuss, or any of the checks and balances that are supposed to be used in a federal system.

    Washington, DC politicians certainly regarded the governors' resistance as a significant problem, with Congressman Sonny Montgomery of Mississippi recalling: "General Walker was telling me six-seven months before all this came to a head that they were having trouble with the governors. Even the governor of Mississippi was reluctant to let troops go into Central America. So I knew there was a problem developing there."

    Montgomery noted "the commanders over in the Defense Department" were concerned the governors' actions "did affect the force structure of the military. They couldn't send people ... [the Pentagon] felt if they couldn't use these Guardsmen where they were needed in Central America, the whole force structure was in trouble."

    Moreover, James Webb, the assistant secretary of defense for reserve affairs warned: "the governors' authority has become a vehicle to debate or influence foreign policy." Webb also noted that there are historical precedents for governors refusing to send troops when called up, even in times of war.1

    The response in Congress consisted of passing what is now known as the Montgomery Amendment.

    Congress was reluctant to totally void a governor's authority over deployment of state troops, as such powers had been recognized since the earliest days of the republic. But in an effort to further limit these powers, the Amendment stated that no governor could withhold a unit from deployment on account of "location, purpose, type or schedule of such deployment."

    Governors did retain powers to deny deployment if that deployment would interfere with state needs for troops, such as quelling civil unrest or providing disaster-relief activities.

    But this didn't end the debate. On January 22, 1987, Governor Rudy Perpich of Minnesota filed suit in US District Court of St. Paul challenging the constitutionality of the Montgomery Amendment, asserting it violates the Militia Clause of the Constitution.


    Events Escalate in Ohio

    While Perpich v. Department of Defense was working its way toward the US Supreme Court, the controversy between the Pentagon and the governors reached its most tense point in Ohio.

    In 1987, the Pentagon ordered the Ohio National Guard adjutant general to deploy survey and engineering teams to Honduras in early 1988. Governor Richard Celeste then intervened and ordered the Guard to not deploy. Given that the state's adjutant general answers to the governor as his commander-in-chief, the Guard declined the Pentagon's order.

    The Defense Department responded by playing hard ball.

    Defense Department personnel began to develop a plan to remove all but a single unit of the National Guard form Ohio. Specifically:


    the Ohio Guard grossly underestimated what [National Guard Bureau Chief Lieutenant General Herbert R.] Temple had in mind for them. Most of them apparently believed they stood to lose the engineer brigade headquarters (including one general officer as the commander) and perhaps the subordinate engineer battalions. None, however, dreamed — it seems — that the Ohio National Guard could be made to disappear over a period of a very few months except for only the 73rd Infantry Brigade. And. in particular, that the Ohio Air National Guard could be made to cease to exist.


    The primary purpose of all of this was to use the Pentagon's financial power to take resources out of the state, thus reducing state revenue and economic activity generated by federal spending inside the state. The local media began running stories about how the move would lead to lost jobs.

    Moreover, the Pentagon's move would have forced the state to fund all of its own remaining National Guard units. The bill would have been $256 million.

    Eventually, the governor caved, and the Ohio National Guard deployed as the Defense Department wished.

    In 1990, the US Supreme Court sided with the Department of Defense, and ruled the Montgomery Amendment was binding.

    For the moment, the matter was settled.


    Why the Pentagon Has so Much Power Over State Troops


    Today, when the militia clause of the Second Amendment is mentioned, it is not uncommon to hear the claim that "the National Guard is the militia."

    This stretches the truth, to say the least.

    Today's National Guard is nothing like the independent state militias that existed throughout the nineteenth century up until the adoption of the Militia Act of 1903. Prior to the 1903 act, state militias were primarily state funded, and were not integrated into the federal government's military structure except in times of declared war.

    The Militia Act created a new type of "militia" which replaced the old decentralized model with a new system in which state National Guard units were to receive federal funding and were to be integrated into the national military as a permanent reserve force.

    But even after 1903, the state National Guards retained a high degree of independence compared to today. That was further eroded with the National Defense Act of 1916 which allowed National Guard United to be deployed outside their own states — and even outside the country — for much longer periods of time than had been previously allowed. The 1916 Act further increased federal funding — and thus federal control — over National Guard units.

    Another major change came in 1933. At that time, new amendments to the National Defense Act were passed which made members of the National Guard units members of both their state's National Guard, and the federal military.

    Further integration occurred throughout the following decades, culminating with the adoption of the "Total Force Policy" in 1970. According to Burgess, et al., this meant National Guard units became fully "woven into the fabric of the Defense establishment."

    By 1986, the idea of an independent state National Guard was all but dead. As we have seen, some governors briefly tried to revive the idea, but it was struck down by the courts, and by the Pentagon's immense power over military resources within each state.

    This isn't to say that state governments, if they wanted to be, couldn't still be a nuisance for the Pentagon. The Defense Department's threats against West Virginia in the case of the McGeehan bill helps to illustrate this.

    The Pentagon is used to state governors asking "how high?" whenever being told to jump. But the Pentagon keeps an ace up its sleeve in case any state politicians get uppity. The Pentagon will simply threaten to remove millions of dollars worth of spending from any state which refuses to immediately comply.

    So long as most Americans blithely accept whatever new wars and invasions the Pentagon plans, this strategy will probably keep working.


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    Here's a little insight in todays NG and how it's been redesigned since around 2004. It was a Strategic Reserve prior to the GWOT. It has been an Operational Reserve for the US Army since the GWOT started showing the big planners that the US Army was ill equipped force struture to meet the needs of what they wanted to accomplish in Iraq and Afghanistan. That that means is the US Army is completely reliant on certain logistic and sustainment capabilities that the NG provides. In the event of some major operation the sorts of the Iraq invasions, the US Army cannot function anymore without the National Guard. It will be a long while before the Governors get that control back. Chalk it up as another state function willed to the Federal system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Here's a little insight in todays NG and how it's been redesigned since around 2004. It was a Strategic Reserve prior to the GWOT. It has been an Operational Reserve for the US Army since the GWOT started showing the big planners that the US Army was ill equipped force struture to meet the needs of what they wanted to accomplish in Iraq and Afghanistan. That that means is the US Army is completely reliant on certain logistic and sustainment capabilities that the NG provides. In the event of some major operation the sorts of the Iraq invasions, the US Army cannot function anymore without the National Guard. It will be a long while before the Governors get that control back. Chalk it up as another state function willed to the Federal system.
    They should hand it over to the army and start new State Militias.
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    This was the cause of the problems:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    This was the cause of the problems:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903
    It does obligate Congress to arm every able bodied adult male though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They should hand it over to the army and start new State Militias.
    And then they should forbid said militias from having anything whatsoever to do with the feds, so they can't get their hooks in ... (otherwise, they'll just become another pseudo-autonomous cat's paw ...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And then they should forbid said militias from having anything whatsoever to do with the feds, so they can't get their hooks in ... (otherwise, they'll just become another pseudo-autonomous cat's paw ...)
    That would be problematic because of the Constitution:

    A1S8:

    15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


    A2S2:

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;




    But they should refuse to hand them over unless Congress specifically calls for them to to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That would be problematic because of the Constitution:

    A1S8:

    15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    A2S2:

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;

    But they should refuse to hand them over unless Congress specifically calls for them to to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

    NO OVERSEAS DEPLOYMENTS FOR ANY REASON.
    As I mentioned elsewhere recently, I am not a Constitutionalist. I am speaking of what they ought to do, not of what the Constitution says they may (or must) do or not do. And in any case, the federal government. at its convenience, routinely ignores, flagrantly violates and simply flouts the terms of that document.

    I have no problem with the several states flouting it right back at them. In fact, nothing is really going to change unless and until they start doing just that.

    "When in the Course of human events ..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    As I mentioned elsewhere recently, I am not a Constitutionalist. I am speaking of what they ought to do, not of what the Constitution says they may (or must) do or not do. And in any case, the federal government. at its convenience, routinely ignores, flagrantly violates and simply flouts the terms of that document.

    I have no problem with the several states flouting it right back at them. In fact, nothing is really going to change unless and until they start doing just that.

    "When in the Course of human events ..."
    If they want to secede that's fine with me.
    Or they could amend the Constitution.
    Or they could maintain the fiction that the National Guard is the militia and refuse to hand over any other forces they create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If they want to secede that's fine with me.
    Or they could amend the Constitution.
    Or they could maintain the fiction that the National Guard is the militia and refuse to hand over any other forces they create.
    I'm down with the first. And the third (which is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when I made my original comment) could be a step towards that.

    But amending a document that has become pretty much irrelevant except for purposes of administrivia seems pointless. In this particular case, for instance, the MIC could easily game the process to achieve the result it desired (e.g., the Pentagon could just make noises about pulling contracts from and/or closing bases in states that coincidentally "just happened" to be seriously considering voting the "wrong" way on any such amendment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I'm down with the first. And the third (which is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind when I made my original comment) could be a step towards that.

    But amending a document that has become pretty much irrelevant except for purposes of administrivia seems pointless. In this particular case, for instance, the MIC could easily game the process to achieve the result it desired (e.g., the Pentagon could just make noises about pulling contracts from and/or closing bases in states that coincidentally "just happened" to be seriously considering voting the "wrong" way on any such amendment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Are you suggesting that our esteemed representatives could be blackmailed in such a underhanded way?
    No way! Absolutely not! What could possibly have given you such an absurd notion?

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    The national guard is not the same as the militia. The militias died off pretty much after the war between the North and South.

    Honestly if the militia were structured as it was in the time of our nation's youth, a lot of people would have a problem with it.

    Mandatory drills every weekend? "but I got better things to do."

    Or just plain ole'

    "Mandatory!? They can't make me do that!"

    It would be pretty cool to have artillery pieces in town armories and get to fire them off a few times a year, though.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Indiana has its own separate Guard Reserve for the Governor .
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    The national guard is not the same as the militia. The militias died off pretty much after the war between the North and South.

    Honestly if the militia were structured as it was in the time of our nation's youth, a lot of people would have a problem with it.

    Mandatory drills every weekend? "but I got better things to do."

    Or just plain ole'

    "Mandatory!? They can't make me do that!"

    It would be pretty cool to have artillery pieces in town armories and get to fire them off a few times a year, though.
    It shouldn't be mandatory, it should have some benefit like lower taxes or getting to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Indiana has its own separate Guard Reserve for the Governor .
    I believe several states have "State Defense Forces".
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    The national guard is not the same as the militia. The militias died off pretty much after the war between the North and South.

    Honestly if the militia were structured as it was in the time of our nation's youth, a lot of people would have a problem with it.

    Mandatory drills every weekend? "but I got better things to do."

    Or just plain ole'

    "Mandatory!? They can't make me do that!"

    It would be pretty cool to have artillery pieces in town armories and get to fire them off a few times a year, though.
    People are too soft . Once you are no longer willing to spill blood to defend what is yours it is only a matter of time before others will be there to take it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It does obligate Congress to arm every able bodied adult male though.
    Yes but it also obliterated state control of the militia and federalized it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Yes but it also obliterated state control of the militia and federalized it.
    I'm not defending it.

    Just pointing out how we aught to take advantage of it until we can change it. (and we aught to keep that part)
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