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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I would appreciate a warning next time you post something like this. I almost killed myself laughing.
    Life insurance won't cash out for you if done that way. You should re-read the contract and think of the children.



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Life insurance won't cash out for you if done that way. You should re-read the contract and think of the children.
    I just checked. It would cash out but not at the full rate. They still need to get back to me on what the actual rate would be. I hope it is not 0%.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I just checked. It would cash out but not at the full rate. They still need to get back to me on what the actual rate would be. I hope it is not 0%.
    Page 30,326. Provision MMMDCXXIV: Paragraph 3. Section 4. Addendum C1 (A).

    "$#@! you you're dead."

  5. #64
    United was wrong to do this in this situation because they weren't really "overbooked" at all, but rather decided to allow four of their employees to catch the flight. They should've just had their employees catch a different flight instead. However, if there actually were a hypothetical situation where a flight was overbooked, and United offered the passengers money if they chose to leave the flight, and none of the passengers accepted the offer, then they would have no choice but to force several people to leave the flight. And yeah, I would be in favor of them raising the price until someone accepted the offer. But, what if it got into the thousands of dollars and still no one accepted the offer? I don't see what else they could do but to force several people to leave the flight in that situation.
    Last edited by Brett85; 04-10-2017 at 09:53 PM.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Brett85 View Post
    United was wrong to do this in this situation because they weren't really "overbooked" at all, but rather decided to allow four of their employees to catch the flight. They should've just had their employees catch a different flight instead. However, if there actually were a hypothetical situation where a flight was overbooked, and United offered the passengers money if they chose to leave the flight, and none of the passengers accepted the offer, then they would have no choice but to force several people to leave the flight. And yeah, I would be in favor of them raising the price until someone accepted the offer. But, what if it got into the thousands of dollars and still no one accepted the offer? I don't see what else they could do but to force several people to leave the flight in that situation.
    Plan better. Four employees needed to be at the destination. Would it have inconvenienced them to go a day early, or two, and be put up in a hotel room?

    My personal take...

    If I had paid for a ticket and you tried to drag my ass out of it for one of your employees I'd have initiated the nuclear option.

    The video would have been much better fare for the public. They love bloodsports.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Page 30,326. Provision MMMDCXXIV: Paragraph 3. Section 4. Addendum C1 (A).

    "$#@! you you're dead."
    Is that enforceable?

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Is that enforceable?
    What does it matter to you? You're dead.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    What does it matter to you? You're dead.
    There are beneficiaries.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    There are beneficiaries.
    Did you thoroughly read the "beneficiaries" clause? Did you look through the document while back-lit? Lemon laws are one thing. Lemon juice laws something quite different.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Did you thoroughly read the "beneficiaries" clause? Did you look through the document while back-lit? Lemon laws are one thing. Lemon juice laws something quite different.
    I do not buy from people who sell like that.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    I do not buy from people who sell like that.
    Well, you are covered. Congratulations. Are you worth more dead than alive?

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Well, you are covered. Congratulations. Are you worth more dead than alive?
    I do not think so. I am not Michael Jackson or George Michael.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulhawaii View Post
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    Last edited by Origanalist; 04-11-2017 at 12:16 AM.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    He was great in Watchmen. A very appropriate scene of his death:


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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by SeanTX View Post
    Looking on the United Airlines Facebook page I now see many angry comments, but all are directed at the airline. The airline didn't force the police to commit assault and battery on the passenger.
    It's something that was really a civil / contract law matter, and the police should have refused to take part in it (of course, they're never going to turn down the opportunity to escalate something).
    It is the airline that resorted to calling goons to do to be their "muscle." United Airlines lies and says they "asked him to voluntarily" give up his seat. Well if they are asking and it is voluntary, then he has a right to say no doesn't he. It wasn't voluntary. They lied. They were trying to steal the seat they sold back by force.

    United Airlines is the ones who overbooked, and they should pay the consequences.
    They offered a voucher, but the passengers did not find that a fair price for giving up their seat.
    United Airlines wanted someone to give up a seat but they did not want to pay the market price to obtain that. They should have increased the offer until someone was willing to sell their seat back to the airline. They should have offer two or three vouchers - whatever the market price turns out to be. Eventually, someone would accept. If they want to overbook, fine, but they better be willing to pay the fair market price required to buy the necessary seats back.

    Instead, United used force to steal back a seat they sold, instead of paying the fair market price for getting it back after they over booked.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 04-11-2017 at 04:48 AM.
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  21. #78
    United is not handling this so well:

    United Airlines' parent company CEO Oscar Munoz late Monday issued a letter defending his employees, saying the passenger was being "disruptive and belligerent."

    While Munoz said he was "upset" to see and hear what happened, "our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this."
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...wvideo/2319852
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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    So the real question is: Is it possible to buy a ticket on an airplane? Or is it just a lottery ticket?
    Does it matter?

    You choose to buy. Nobody forces you... at least not yet. That, however, may come one day. Crazy, you say? Look at health "insurance". More like a health tax.
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    It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.

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  23. #80
    I think it matters. . . if people are not actually being assured of a seat on a plane, I would imagine many people might not book it to begin with.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Does it matter?

    You choose to buy. Nobody forces you... at least not yet. That, however, may come one day. Crazy, you say? Look at health "insurance". More like a health tax.
    You are being disingenuous. The fact they are overbooking prevents anybody from traveling like a human being. The flights are packed to the gills with people which does not make anybody comfortable. Pretending the planes can fly people at 100% capacity is a sick joke.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    United is not handling this so well:
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/busines...wvideo/2319852
    Indeed, this says all I need to know about this copsucker.
    United Airlines CEO Oscar Munoz said the passenger seen in a viral video who was dragged, bloodied off his company’s plane on Sunday had “defied” security officers and had become “disruptive and belligerent,” even as some lawmakers called for an investigation into the incident.

    Munoz issued a statement Monday to employees defending the airline’s widely derided actions in forcibly removing a passenger from a Chicago flight bound for Louisville. The man who was taken off the plane has not been named, but he identified himself as a doctor during the debacle and another passenger said the man said he was of Chinese descent. The man was asked to leave in order to accommodate the seating of several United crew members.

    “This situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help,” Munoz wrote.
    http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/0...stigation.html
    I wont be flying united if I can reasonably find an alternative.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Indeed, this says all I need to know about this copsucker.


    I wont be flying united if I can reasonably find an alternative.
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  28. #84
    Jan2017
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zgbMIiPTS4

    FIGHT OR FLIGHT
    United Airlines passenger ripped from seat and dragged off overbooked flight
    revealed to be father-of-five-specialist doctor aged 69

    Passengers recorded the moment the elderly man is pulled out of his seat and along the floor by official
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/330548...tor-david-dao/


    United Airlines Chief blames "belligerent" passenger for violent removal
    "Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this"

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7677711.html


    [PS - this is international news now, seems movable to mods?]
    Last edited by Jan2017; 04-11-2017 at 11:12 AM.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    I wont be flying united if I can reasonably find an alternative.
    I won't be flying United even if I CAN'T find an alternative.

    The power of the consumer in a semi-free market is one of the last choices we have to affect change in the market place.
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  30. #86
    The person who did the pulling is no longer employed. Or so I hope.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Plan better. Four employees needed to be at the destination. Would it have inconvenienced them to go a day early, or two, and be put up in a hotel room?
    They were in a panic because the flight they were going to crew would now not have left on time or been canceled causing even more loss and headaches.

    Thank Uncle Sucker for the ridiculous flight rest rules for that.

  32. #88
    Been flying Continental and then United for 20 years now, million mile flyer.

    Have been in a high state of piss off over the merger for years now.

    But this was the last straw, wrote a hate/ragequit mail to United and have switched to Jet Blue.



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    I hope the rent-a-Officer is OK
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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    They were in a panic because the flight they were going to crew would now not have left on time or been canceled causing even more loss and headaches.

    Thank Uncle Sucker for the ridiculous flight rest rules for that.
    I have a problem with how all the news articles are saying that the flight was oversold/overbooked. From what i'm reading it was NOT oversold, or at least that was not the problem. They didn't sell too many seats, they decided to unsell available seats in order to use them for employee transportation. This was a change of plans, not a matter of lack of seats for ticketed paying customers.

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