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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    I'm not advocating that raw milk by banned. I'm just wondering why would people take an extra risk for a food that's generally bad for people's health. It's like raw cigarettes!
    Maybe because it tastes nice.

    I eat raw beef on a pretty regular basis. It's stuff that's ground up and marinated, then I put it on a sandwich with a boiled egg, diced onions and salt/pepper. Amazing stuff.
    "I am a bird"



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    As a natural medicine expert, I really do believe that food can be your best medicine.

    Dr. Josh Axe is a C.N.S. (Certified Nutrition Specialist), a Natural Medicine expert, a licensed chiropractor

    http://draxe.com/start-here/
    If Dr. Quack really believes that food can be your best medicine and promotes a heavy meat diet, why does he sell so many supplements?

    He also believes in a lot of questionable diseases that he wants to sell you products for.

    Not someone I'd think of as legit.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Maybe because it tastes nice.

    I eat raw beef on a pretty regular basis. It's stuff that's ground up and marinated, then I put it on a sandwich with a boiled egg, diced onions and salt/pepper. Amazing stuff.
    People can want it legal for any reason they want. I just recommend don't take the unneeded risk or it being raw and I recommend keeping all dairy consumption to a minimum.
    Last edited by farreri; 03-30-2016 at 10:10 AM.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Isaac Bickerstaff View Post
    Welcome to Earth! First day here?

    Perhaps the most shocking thing to learn about our humble planet by someone from. . . wherever--like yourself, is that all animal and plant life here is completely dependent on microbes. Now all harmful microbes have commonalities that make them harmful. Many All organism have defense mechanisms that target these harmful microbes. Often, these defense mechanisms will leave the benign and beneficial microbes alone which allows them to aid the defense mechanisms by outnumbering the harmful microbes.

    PS
    There is just so much fail here: that I can't even joke about it.
    Nor can you refute it with an actual evidence, I see.

    FFS - parasites swimming around in raw milk are just as bad for humans as te parasites swimming around in filthy water. Heating liquids up kills the things that live there naturally. Sorry if simple science scares you.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    If Dr. Quack really believes that food can be your best medicine and promotes a heavy meat diet, why does he sell so many supplements?

    He also believes in a lot of questionable diseases that he wants to sell you products for.

    Not someone I'd think of as legit.

    This has already been brought to your attention--you cannot possibly get all essential nutrients in the food you eat anymore. Conventional agriculture caused mineral depletion due to synthetic chemical fertilizers and pesticides. If the minerals and good microbes aren't in the soil the plants don't get them, the animals don't get them and we don't get them.


    The alarming fact is that foods – fruits, vegetables and grains – now
    being raised on millions of acres of land that no longer contains
    enough of certain needed nutrients,are starving us -- no
    matter how much we eat of them.
    U S Senate Document 264 1936
    http://www.nutritionsecurity.org/PDF...0Paper_Web.pdf
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Nor can you refute it with an actual evidence, I see.

    FFS - parasites swimming around in raw milk are just as bad for humans as te parasites swimming around in filthy water. Heating liquids up kills the things that live there naturally. Sorry if simple science scares you.
    Hopefully you don't eat pork then.

    Chemo Drugs For Life Or Raw Milk? Ulcerative Colitis Cured?
    http://www.collective-evolution.com/...colitis-cured/
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  9. #37
    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Nor can you refute it with an actual evidence, I see.

    FFS - parasites swimming around in raw milk are just as bad for humans as te parasites swimming around in filthy water. Heating liquids up kills the things that live there naturally. Sorry if simple science scares you.
    how do we know what youre saying is true? How do we know these are parasite and not just enzymes?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    This has already been brought to your attention--you cannot possibly get all essential nutrients in the food you eat anymore.
    Dr. Quack sells a lot more than simple vitamin or mineral pills if that were the case. https://store.draxe.com/

    Why would he need to sell protein powder if he advocates a heavy meat diet?

    And seeing that he believes in diagnoses like leaky gut syndrome makes me very skeptical of this "doctor" with a winning smile.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Dr. Quack sells a lot more than simple vitamin or mineral pills if that were the case. https://store.draxe.com/

    Why would he need to sell protein powder if he advocates a heavy meat diet?

    And seeing that he believes in diagnoses like leaky gut syndrome makes me very skeptical of this "doctor" with a winning smile.
    You continue to ignore the glaring problems by trying to divert that the doctors that speak out are quacks. Doing some research on the matter will give you better insight, you should try it sometime.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You continue to ignore the glaring problems by trying to divert that the doctors that speak out are quacks. Doing some research on the matter will give you better insight, you should try it sometime.
    What snake oil salesmen doesn't speak out a lot? If he was so confident with the diet he recommends while also believing in rampant soil depletion, the only supplement he'd sell would be his multi-vitamin. Even better, he wouldn't even sell his own line of multi-vitamin, but just recommend people take another brand so as to not look like a conflict of interest.

    Just trying to prevent you and others from getting scammed.



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  14. #41
    Chester Copperpot
    Member

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You continue to ignore the glaring problems by trying to divert that the doctors that speak out are quacks. Doing some research on the matter will give you better insight, you should try it sometime.
    the dude is sitting across the table from zippyjuan working for the same company to blog lol.. There is no time to research when theres a war on for the publics' mind

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    What snake oil salesmen doesn't speak out a lot? If he was so confident with the diet he recommends while also believing in rampant soil depletion, the only supplement he'd sell would be his multi-vitamin. Even better, he wouldn't even sell his own line of multi-vitamin, but just recommend people take another brand so as to not look like a conflict of interest.

    Just trying to prevent you and others from getting scammed.
    Do you say the same thing when you hear a pHARMaceutical commercial? Seriously?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Do you say the same thing when you hear a pHARMaceutical commercial?
    Oh yes, I certainly do. Every time I see one of those pharmaceutical commercials I shake my head and say if only people would stop eating so much protein and fat they wouldn't need any of that crap.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Oh yes, I certainly do. Every time I see one of those pharmaceutical commercials I shake my head and say if only people would stop eating so much protein and fat they wouldn't need any of that crap.
    LOL! Yeah but your solution is the same solution they pushed 40 years ago, consequently that is why so many people are on these hideous drugs--one example; Statins.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    you cannot possibly get all essential nutrients in the food you eat anymore. Conventional agriculture caused mineral depletion due to synthetic chemical fertilizers and pesticides. If the minerals and good microbes aren't in the soil the plants don't get them, the animals don't get them and we don't get them.
    They how can we all still be alive when Chester seems to imply that most people CAN'T absorb synthetic vitamins you'd have to supplement with?

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    LOL! Yeah but your solution is the same solution they pushed 40 years ago, consequently that is why so many people are on these hideous drugs--one example; Statins.
    Wow. Want to continue that discussion in your statin thread.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6183499

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    They how can we all still be alive when Chester seems to imply that most people CAN'T absorb synthetic vitamins you'd have to supplement with?
    Clean supplements that do not have fillers, excipients and additives. The body requires 90 essential nutrients daily-- specific vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and essential fatty acids for health, longevity, strength, intelligence, and fighting off ailments. Believe it or not the body can heal itself with the proper nutrients.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    Wow. Want to continue that discussion in your statin thread.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6183499
    I think I know what your problem is...you have a comprehension problem.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Clean supplements that do not have fillers, excipients and additives.
    So clean synthetic vitamins are OK?

    Believe it or not the body can heal itself with the proper nutrients.
    What made you think I don't believe that?

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I think I know what your problem is...you have a comprehension problem.
    What did I misunderstand?

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    So clean synthetic vitamins are OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Clean supplements that do not have fillers, excipients and additives.
    A pharmaceutical-grade supplement.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    What did I misunderstand?
    A lot. Then dragging it to another thread that you obviously didn't understand or didn't bother to read.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    A pharmaceutical-grade supplement.
    But those are still synthetic and Chester has been arguing those don't absorb well in people. I think he's wrong. Do you think he's wrong too about that?

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by farreri View Post
    But those are still synthetic and Chester has been arguing those don't absorb well in people. I think he's wrong. Do you think he's wrong too about that?
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Clean supplements that do not have fillers, excipients and additives. The body requires 90 essential nutrients daily-- specific vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and essential fatty acids for health, longevity, strength, intelligence, and fighting off ailments. Believe it or not the body can heal itself with the proper nutrients.
    You need to do some research, seriously.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  29. #55
    New CDC Raw Milk Mystery: Will Real CA Listeriosis “Victim” Please Stand Up
    http://www.davidgumpert.com/new-cdc-...m-please-stand
    "This here's Miss Bonnie Parker. I'm Clyde Barrow. We rob banks."

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Nor can you refute it with an actual evidence, I see.

    FFS - parasites swimming around in raw milk are just as bad for humans as te parasites swimming around in filthy water. Heating liquids up kills the things that live there naturally. Sorry if simple science scares you.
    First off, what would you accept as evidence?

    Next, it is illegal to sell milk (even with the intention of pasteurizing it) that contains pathogenic strains of e-coli, salmonella, campylobacter and listeria. It is assumed, even by anti-science government thugs, that farmers can eliminate such pathogens through farming methods, so the type of milk you are talking about is already illegal even if it were intended to be killed by pasteurization.

    Furthermore, there is a legal minimum allowable number of total bacteria in pasteurized milk, 10,000 bacteria per milliliter. Most raw milk intended for human consumption falls in the 2000 range, so WTF are you even talking about?
    "This here's Miss Bonnie Parker. I'm Clyde Barrow. We rob banks."



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Clean supplements that do not have fillers, excipients and additives. The body requires 90 essential nutrients daily-- specific vitamins, minerals, amino acids, and essential fatty acids for health, longevity, strength, intelligence, and fighting off ailments. Believe it or not the body can heal itself with the proper nutrients.
    Believe it or not, most people don't need extra vitamins. But the corporations are happy to sell them to you (yes, vitamin makers are big corporations like Big Pharma and also are selling you pills). Take this pill and be happy. Take this pill and don't feel tired anymore. Take this pill and don't get sick. Take this pill and lose weight. Take this pill and lighten your wallet.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Believe it or not, most people don't need extra vitamins. But the corporations are happy to sell them to you (yes, vitamin makers are big corporations like Big Pharma and also are selling you pills). Take this pill and be happy. Take this pill and don't feel tired anymore. Take this pill and don't get sick. Take this pill and lose weight. Take this pill and lighten your wallet.
    Around here, the supplement industry and meat, dairy, & egg industries are considered good and ethical.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Believe it or not, most people don't need extra vitamins. But the corporations are happy to sell them to you (yes, vitamin makers are big corporations like Big Pharma and also are selling you pills). Take this pill and be happy. Take this pill and don't feel tired anymore. Take this pill and don't get sick. Take this pill and lose weight. Take this pill and lighten your wallet.
    Sounds like many pHARMaceutical commercials.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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