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    Michael Flynn, National Security Adviser desognate has to be asked about conscription

    I posted this back in July

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ilitary-draft)

    but now he will have a position of considerable influence



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    His logic for the draft is the right logic: make people think before marching off to war.


    Many factors have led to our current status as a country seemingly perpetually at war, yet rarely victorious. First, because we abandoned a draft military back in the 1970s, the public has lost the personal stake it once had in any political decision to go to war. As a result, many Americans view the all-volunteer force as a mercenary army to be thanked for its service in airports, but without any true appreciation or concern for the real human costs involved in war. Taking their cue from voters, politicians use the all-volunteer force as a policy plaything that they are willing to deploy with only the vaguest objectives, because the perceived political costs of doing so are low. The urgency that used to attend a decision to use military force, and bring operations to a rapid and decisive end, have dissipated.
    I hope he gets a position in the cabinet.

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    If Flynn can get head of NSA and Webb can get Secretary of Defense, those would be two amazing hires by Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    His logic for the draft is the right logic: make people think before marching off to war.




    I hope he gets a position in the cabinet.
    what about the constitution ? and that is draft-civilian or military-is immoral?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    what about the constitution ? and that is draft-civilian or military-is immoral?
    It's the same reason Charles Rangel proposed a reinstitution of the draft. It was to make a point, not to actually implement the draft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    I posted this back in July

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ilitary-draft)

    but now he will have a position of considerable influence
    Zero actual legal influence on the draft though. It requires a vote in Congress and the last time that happened it lost by a razor thin margin of.... 2 to 402 And never brought to the floor again.

    Not saying it's the motivation in post here but a lot of political games are played with this issue:

    "Observers largely believe that Rangel, knowing beforehand that the bill would never be passed by the House, introduced it only to make a point. Rangel himself argued that the point of his bill was to express his opposition to the war in Iraq. In an editorial in The New York Times, Rangel said “if those calling for war knew that their children were likely to be required to serve—and to be placed in harm’s way—there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the international community in dealing with Iraq.” (See dailytexanonline.com[permanent dead link] and seattletimes.nwsource.com)

    Some commentators opined that the bill figured in a "scare campaign" to convince US voters that Republicans (or specifically the White House) had secret plans to re-institute conscription after the November 2 elections. For example, John Sutherland, a columnist for The Guardian, claimed on May 31, 2004, that the bill is "currently approved and sitting in the Committee for Armed Services".[3] He further predicted that the draft itself would be implemented as early as June 15, 2005. William Hawkins, a columnist for The Washington Times, denies that the bill was ever approved and claims that when Republicans brought it to the floor on October 5, it was for the express purpose of killing it.".[4]"


    Bottom line: Sure ask...and while Flynn (like other Trump appointments) has issues this imo is not a main one. And any answer will probably just be used as a political tool by one side or the other. Most likely Democrats saying Trump is going to reinstitute the draft to drive down his approval numbers. It bears no influence on a draft actually happening. See the latest poll:

    Do you think the United States should return to the military draft at this time or not?"

    2/24-27/16
    Yes No Unsure
    % % %

    20 79 1
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