Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6817185
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6817575
I guess that is why he has had 50% more drone attacks in just two years than Obama had in eight- to troll the warmongers.
That's Iranian propaganda.
“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.” --George Orwell
Who else in public life has called for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea?--Donald Trump
That's not what you asked about, it's separate and it's nothing like what would happen if he started a war with Iran.
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"The Patriarch"
informative link, thanks
we put people in prison for our war on drugs, they stone them to death. They stone them to death for being the wrong religion. They do it in public because it makes an example out of them and makes for good propaghanda.
Our buddies the Saudi's are much more civilized.
"The Patriarch"
The freedom of people in Iran has no moral relativism to the People living in the United States.
The young people want free of Islamic Thoecratic oppression, in an age of such enlightenment.
However, America's constant threatening of them keeps the Mullahs in power, because most Iranians feel foreign policy is the most important issue. And that is because they truly are under threat from the United States.
A lot of the youth are secretly joyful about it, because they believe American interference or war will actually bring freedom, and in many ways, it would. It would also bring a ton of death, and misery, and wishing you didn't have freedom, because you literally are starving, (not starving like "OMG American children are starving!" but starving like faint in the head, belly gas bloated starving.
And once everything settled, everybody would be poor and hungry (but not starving) in Iran, their resources and wealth being funneled to America for the good of Israel and Britain and America.
Also keep in mind the horror of Iranians observing American culture. American culture is quite degenerate and ignorant. Freedom means there will be all sort of degeneracy and ignorance.
WOW you moved the goalpost, first you compared Iran to America, we don't stone people to death for not following the state religion or put them in jail for 10-15 years. We don't have forced marriages for 13 year old girls and younger if they can get a court order. We don't kill people for non violent drug offenses and gay stuff.
The idea was to stop selling them weapons which would be more effective than sanctions because they are dependent on US and British weapons and inteligence.
I didn't move any goalposts. I simply put the assessment of the US up against the assessment of Iran from the same people you used in your post about Iran. None of those words are mine.
"The Patriarch"
https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1142757336873865216
Read it again.^^^
Who's idea was that?
"The Patriarch"
Rand has been one of the people pushing for it in the Senate, even Lindsey Graham voted for stopping the arms sales. This has been an ongonig effort for Rand but ever since that guy was hacked up with a bonesaw it became a lot more popular.
In a stunningly frank moment during a Sunday Meet the Press interview focused on President Trump's decision-making on Iran, especially last week's "brink of war" moment which saw Trump draw down readied military forces in what he said was a "common sense" move, the commander in chief threw his own national security advisor under the bus in spectacular fashion.
Though it's not Trump's first tongue-in-cheek denigration of Bolton's notorious hawkishness, it's certainly the most brutal and blunt take down yet, and frankly just plain enjoyable to watch. When host Chuck Todd asked the president if he was “being pushed into military action against Iran” by his advisers in what was clearly a question focused on Bolton first and foremost, Trump responded:
“John Bolton is absolutely a hawk. If it was up to him he'd take on the whole world at one time, okay?”WATCH: President Trump tells Chuck Todd that he has doves and hawks in his cabinet. #MTP #IfItsSundayTrump began by explaining, “I have two groups of people. I have doves and I have hawks,” before leading into this sure to be classic line that is one for the history books:“If it was up to him he'd take on the whole world at one time, okay?”
Trump: “I have some hawks. John Bolton is absolutely a hawk. If it was up to him he'd take on the whole world at one time.“ pic.twitter.com/JKVB2IvMVU
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) June 23, 2019
During this section of comments focused on US policy in the Middle East, the president reiterated his preference that he hear from "both sides" on an issue, but that he was ultimately the one making the decisions.
When pressed on the dangers of having such an uber-hawk neo-conservative who remains an unapologetic cheerleader of the 2003 Iraq War, and who laid the ground work for it as a member of Bush's National Security Council, Trump followed with, “That doesn't matter because I want both sides.”
And in another clear indicator that Trump wants to stay true to his non-interventionist instincts voiced on the 2016 campaign trail, he explained to Todd that:
I was against going into Iraq... I was against going into the Middle East. Chuck we've spent 7 trillion dollars in the Middle East right now.It was the second time this weekend that Trump was forced to defend his choice of Bolton as the nation's most influential foreign policy thinker and adviser. When peppered with questions at the White House Saturday following Thursday night's dramatic "almost war" with Iran, Trump said that he "disagrees" with Bolton "very much" but that ultimately he's "doing a very good job".
More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...world-one-time
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Who are these doves he speaks of, exactly? I want names. The "in his cabinet" part is not what he said.
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"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
back to reality....
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BREAKING Iran says US sanctions on its Supreme Leader means permanent closure of the diplomacy path
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https://twitter.com/guyelster/status...55065212145664
UNSC met on Iran/Gulf yesterday
only need to watch @ 2:02:30...
completely arrogant hawk spook propaganda wiz doesn't even identify himself in front of world media...
proceeds to make broad leaps between minimum evidence to accuse Iran 'because we say so' and 'we all agree it's obvious'.
GFY.
ah... now I get it...
so the 'reasonable one' is the one who holds a gun to your head. Got it.
Yeah because the Iran doesn't have any guns pointed at anyones heads.
It's hard to not respond emotionally to such an idiot as yourself.
On Trump:
How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin
this was a very diplomatic event. See how happy they are?
Unlike MH-17.... be sure: they can prove it.
(the US spook at UNSC above is trying to weasel 'where' the 'line' is drawn. Reminds me of the contortions my grand kids go through when they are caught red handed.)
FYI...
this shows what the spook is trying to argue.
Just LOOK at it.
How STUPID and GULLIBLE does he think we are??
KEY: blue line=drone flight path; yellow line=Iranian Flight Information Region (FIR); red line=Iranian territorial waters; green line=Iranian internal waters; yellow dots=Iran radio warnings sent; red square=point of impact. Source: Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif: https://twitter.com/ The US claims the point of impact was outside the red line.
Does it seem (to you) at ALL REASONABLE that Iran would walk out in front of the world and try to ARGUE they can shoot down 'anything up to the yellow line'???
Well.
Does it???
That's what he's ACCUSING!!!!
Zariff ALREADY showed the EXACT point of missile impact WELL within the RED line (territorial waters).
Fuuck that spook. spit.
Last edited by goldenequity; 06-25-2019 at 10:48 AM.
some reading 4 U
The Russian General Staff has reinforced the air defences for Russians at the Iranian nuclear reactor complex at Bushehr, on the Persian Gulf, according to sources in Moscow. At the same time, Iran has allowed filming of the movement of several of its mobile S-300 air-defence missile batteries to the south, covering the Iranian coastline of the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. More secretly, elements of Russian military intelligence, electronic warfare, and command and control advisers for Iran’s air defence systems have been mobilized to support Iran against US and allied attacks.
The range of the new surveillance extends well beyond the S-300 strike distance of 200 kilometres, and covers US drone and aircraft bases on the Arabian peninsula, as well as US warships in (and under) the Persian Gulf and off the Gulf of Oman. Early warning of US air and naval-launched attacks has now been cut below the old 4 to 6-minute Iranian threshold. Counter-firing by the Iranian armed forces has been automated from attack warning and target location.
This means that if the US is detected launching a swarm of missiles aimed at Iran’s air-defence sites, uranium mines, reactors, and military operations bunkers, Iran will launch its own swarm of missiles at the US firing platforms, as well as at Saudi and other oil production sites, refineries, and pipelines, as well tankers in ports and under way in the Gulf.
“The armed forces of Iran,” said a Russian military source requesting anonymity, “have air defence systems capable of hitting air targets at those heights at which drones of the Global Hawk series can fly; this is about 19,000 to 20,000 metres. Iran’s means of air defence are both foreign-purchased systems and systems of Iran’s own design; among them, in particular, the old Soviet system S-75 and the new Russian S-300. Recently, Iran transported some S-300’s to the south, but that happened after the drone was shot down [June 20]. Russian specialists are working at Bushehr now and this means that the S-300’s are also for protection of Bushehr.”
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The only victim here is the people who have to pay for these wars, the military industrial complex is not limited to one country.
While Gavrilov believes the Iranian military have already achieved high enough density of fire against incoming weapons,some reading 4 U
The Russian General Staff has reinforced the air defences for Russians at the Iranian nuclear reactor complex at Bushehr, on the Persian Gulf, according to sources in Moscow. At the same time, Iran has allowed filming of the movement of several of its mobile S-300 air-defence missile batteries to the south, covering the Iranian coastline of the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. More secretly, elements of Russian military intelligence, electronic warfare, and command and control advisers for Iran’s air defence systems have been mobilized to support Iran against US and allied attacks.
The range of the new surveillance extends well beyond the S-300 strike distance of 200 kilometres, and covers US drone and aircraft bases on the Arabian peninsula, as well as US warships in (and under) the Persian Gulf and off the Gulf of Oman. Early warning of US air and naval-launched attacks has now been cut below the old 4 to 6-minute Iranian threshold. Counter-firing by the Iranian armed forces has been automated from attack warning and target location.
This means that if the US is detected launching a swarm of missiles aimed at Iran’s air-defence sites, uranium mines, reactors, and military operations bunkers, Iran will launch its own swarm of missiles at the US firing platforms, as well as at Saudi and other oil production sites, refineries, and pipelines, as well tankers in ports and under way in the Gulf.
“The armed forces of Iran,” said a Russian military source requesting anonymity, “have air defence systems capable of hitting air targets at those heights at which drones of the Global Hawk series can fly; this is about 19,000 to 20,000 metres. Iran’s means of air defence are both foreign-purchased systems and systems of Iran’s own design; among them, in particular, the old Soviet system S-75 and the new Russian S-300. Recently, Iran transported some S-300’s to the south, but that happened after the drone was shot down [June 20]. Russian specialists are working at Bushehr now and this means that the S-300’s are also for protection of Bushehr.”
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he isn’t sure the range and altitude of Iranian radars will be good enough to match the attack risks.
To neutralize those, he recommends “Russian-made electronic warfare systems.
The complex of EW systems is able to significantly reduce the ability of attack aircraft to search for, detect and defeat ground targets; disrupt the onboard equipment of cruise missiles in the GPS satellite navigation system; distort the readings of radio altimeters of attack aircraft, cruise missiles and UAV’s [unmanned aerial vehicle, drone]…”
In briefings for sympathetic western reporters, Iranian commanders are emphasizing the Armageddon option; that is, however weak or strong their defences may prove to be under prolonged US attack, the Iranian strategy is not to wait. Their plan, they say, is to counter-attack against Arab as well as American targets as soon as a US missile attack commences; that’s to say, at launch, not inflight nor at impact.
GOOD GRIEF- READ A LITTLE HISTORY ON WHAT THE US HAS DONE TO IRAN!
Iran has not started a war in 100+ years but it has every right to defend itself- especially after the US has staged coups, surrounded it with bases, & has taken its resources for years- helped Saddam in his invasion, and then calls Iran the biggest terrorists in the ME, leaves the Iranian Deal, while it was completely compliant with the Nuke deal & the Iranian deal, and sanctions the Iranians because they're baaaaaad.
There is no spoon.
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