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[Madison320]

Well, I just happen to disagree with u. I think capitalism when mixed with imperialism is the greatest evil system in human history.

That makes no sense. Capitalism and imperialism are two separate things. Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad. Socialism mixed with imperialism is far worse than capitalism mixed with imperialism. Why mix them together?

Do you agree that capitalism is a much better, more moral system than socialism?

Lol, I laugh every time you guys says taxation is slavery but I never actually thought anyone believe that crap.

Taxation is partial slavery. Or maybe you think paying your taxes is voluntary?

[Ender]

That makes no sense. Capitalism and imperialism are two separate things. Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad. Socialism mixed with imperialism is far worse than capitalism mixed with imperialism. Why mix them together?

Do you agree that capitalism is a much better, more moral system than socialism?



Taxation is partial slavery. Or maybe you think paying your taxes is voluntary?

Uh..... the US is now a crony-capitalism system or in other words, mercantilism, which the War of Independence was fought over.

Real Capitalism is the free market and that has been strangled by TPTB- it no longer exists here.

[juleswin]

That makes no sense. Capitalism and imperialism are two separate things. Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad. Socialism mixed with imperialism is far worse than capitalism mixed with imperialism. Why mix them together?

Do you agree that capitalism is a much better, more moral system than socialism?

Yes, everyone knows that socialism is a very ineffective way of running an economy. I have never ever anywhere on this forum said that I supported socialism. The point I am trying to make with the line capitalism + imperialism is greatest evil is the fact that I would prefer to be attacked by a socialist imperialist country rather than a more capitalist based + imperialist country. The good thing is that usually the socialist countries rarely have enough economic resources to attack anyone but you can't say that about the capitalist based system. If anything that post is a compliment to capitalism.

Taxation is partial slavery. Or maybe you think paying your taxes is voluntary?

Taxation is theft and theft but not all theft is slavery. I had some kids take my lunch for a while in primary school. It was embarrassing, degrading and hurtful but at no time during that dreadful experience did I think I was being enslaved.

[Madison320]

Uh..... the US is now a crony-capitalism system or in other words, mercantilism, which the War of Independence was fought over.

Real Capitalism is the free market and that has been strangled by TPTB- it no longer exists here.

We were talking about capitalism in general. Not the US. What was your point?

And what does it mean when you start your post with, "Uh....."?

[timosman]

Uh..... the US is now a crony-capitalism system or in other words, mercantilism, which the War of Independence was fought over.

Real Capitalism is the free market and that has been strangled by TPTB- it no longer exists here.

Every economic system ever designed is great until humans get involved. The best way out of this mess is to nuke the planet and see what the evolution brings next.

[Madison320]

Yes, everyone knows that socialism is a very ineffective way of running an economy. I have never ever anywhere on this forum said that I supported socialism. The point I am trying to make with the line capitalism + imperialism is greatest evil is the fact that I would prefer to be attacked by a socialist imperialist country rather than a more capitalist based + imperialist country. The good thing is that usually the socialist countries rarely have enough economic resources to attack anyone but you can't say that about the capitalist based system. If anything that post is a compliment to capitalism.

You need to read up on the USSR and life behind the Iron Curtain and people being shot who were trying to escape. Actually you can say the same for many extreme socialist countries. They die trying to escape to even partially capitalistic countries.

Taxation is theft and theft but not all theft is slavery. I had some kids take my lunch for a while in primary school. It was embarrassing, degrading and hurtful but at no time during that dreadful experience did I think I was being enslaved.

WTF? I'm talking about the government taking your means to exist, not a kid's lunch.

What do you think should be done to those who don't pay their taxes?

Another important point is that capitalism and imperialism are incompatible so your whole thesis is flawed.

[juleswin]

You need to read up on the USSR and life behind the Iron Curtain and people being shot who were trying to escape. Actually you can say the same for many extreme socialist countries. They die trying to escape to even partially capitalistic countries.



WTF? I'm talking about the government taking your means to exist, not a kid's lunch.

What do you think should be done to those who don't pay their taxes?

Another important point is that capitalism and imperialism are incompatible so your whole thesis is flawed.

Nonsense, capitalism is very compatible with anything. Btw, I am not talking about pure unadulterated free market capitalism, talking about the system we have now with a mixture of socialism and capitalism that goes around to oppress people around the world.

If you don't believe that socialism, imperialism and capitalism can exist in the same system, then this argument is over. I cannot argue with a person who doesn't operate in reality.

[Ender]

We were talking about capitalism in general. Not the US. What was your point?

And what does it mean when you start your post with, "Uh....."?

Because you are arguing for a system that does not exist in the present US of A.

The current system of crony-capitalism is indeed Capitalism/Imperialism.

[Madison320]

Nonsense, capitalism is very compatible with anything. Btw, I am not talking about pure unadulterated free market capitalism, talking about the system we have now with a mixture of socialism and capitalism that goes around to oppress people around the world.

If you don't believe that socialism, imperialism and capitalism can exist in the same system, then this argument is over. I cannot argue with a person who doesn't operate in reality.

It's the socialistic part of the US that causes imperialism.

[Madison320]

Because you are arguing for a system that does not exist in the present US of A.

The current system of crony-capitalism is indeed Capitalism/Imperialism.

It's the socialism or more accurately statism part of the US that is the cause of imperialism. Not capitalism.

[Ender]

It's the socialism or more accurately statism part of the US that is the cause of imperialism. Not capitalism.

There IS NO CAPITALISM in the US. What is called "capitalism" in today's political world, is MERCANTILISM.

And this was caused by a corrupt government run by CRONY-CAPITALISM, which is NOT capitalism in any sense but does give the term a bad rep to the ignorant.

[Madison320]

There IS NO CAPITALISM in the US. What is called "capitalism" in today's political world, is MERCANTILISM.

And this was caused by a corrupt government run by CRONY-CAPITALISM, which is NOT capitalism in any sense but does give the term a bad rep to the ignorant.

I agree, although I think it's more accurate to say we have a mix of capitalism and socialism.

What does that have to do juleswin's argument?

"I think capitalism when mixed with imperialism is the greatest evil system in human history."

[nikcers]

I agree, although I think it's more accurate to say we have a mix of capitalism and socialism.

What does that have to do juleswin's argument?

Ender disagrees with you and Juleswin, he thinks we have CRONY capitalism, and really there is no comparison.

[Madison320]

Ender disagrees with you and Juleswin, he thinks we have CRONY capitalism, and really there is no comparison.

I think crony capitalism is merely capitalism mixed with socialism. I don't differentiate too much with all the "isms". To me it's basically just a sliding scale with capitalism/freedom on one end and socialism/totalitarianism on the other.

[nikcers]

I think crony capitalism is merely capitalism mixed with socialism. I don't differentiate too much with all the "isms". To me it's basically just a sliding scale with capitalism/freedom on one end and socialism/totalitarianism on the other.

No crony capitalism means the government picks the winners and losers, it is something that is far removed from free market capitalism

[Madison320]

No crony capitalism means the government picks the winners and losers, it is something that is far removed from free market capitalism

I totally agree crony capitalism is far removed from free market capitalism, but to me crony capitalism is just another form of socialism. I guess it depends on how you define socialism. I define socialism as putting the needs of the state above the rights of the individual. Using that definition crony capitalism is a form of socialism.

[nikcers]

I totally agree crony capitalism is far removed from free market capitalism, but to me crony capitalism is just another form of socialism. I guess it depends on how you define socialism. I define socialism as putting the needs of the state above the rights of the individual. Using that definition crony capitalism is a form of socialism.

You're conflating corporatism and socialism, I totally disagree with how you define socialism. With crony capitalistic corporatism multinational corporations that bid for power control the economy. The United States government doesn't have the power it just acts as a middle man for corporations to sell access to power.

[specsaregood]

There IS NO CAPITALISM in the US. What is called "capitalism" in today's political world, is MERCANTILISM.

And this was caused by a corrupt government run by CRONY-CAPITALISM, which is NOT capitalism in any sense but does give the term a bad rep to the ignorant.

You've never bought anything on the black market in the US?

[Brian4Liberty]

How does government turn capitalism into crony capitalism? Off the top of my head...

- Regulations, especially those written by insiders to limit and exclude competition, rather than address intended "goals".

- Government acting as a buyer, even once removed (EBT, healthcare, drugs, etc.) of any goods or services. This is where socialism and bloated government interferes in the market. Winners get government contracts and favored status, losers are excluded.

- War and interference in other nations for the benefit of crony business interests. Even worse when war itself becomes a "business".

- ?

[nikcers]

You've never bought anything on the black market in the US?

Black market medicine gives me the bad itch, and it doesn't do anything about getting rid of the middle man.

[Brian4Liberty]

There IS NO CAPITALISM in the US. What is called "capitalism" in today's political world, is MERCANTILISM.

And this was caused by a corrupt government run by CRONY-CAPITALISM, which is NOT capitalism in any sense but does give the term a bad rep to the ignorant.

You've never bought anything on the black market in the US?

Or have you ever invested in the stock market and received dividends? Have you received interest on deposited money?

[nikcers]

How does government turn capitalism into crony capitalism? Off the top of my head...

- Regulations, especially those written by insiders to limit and exclude competition, rather than address intended "goals".

- Government acting as a buyer, even once removed (EBT, healthcare, drugs, etc.) of any goods or services. This is where socialism and bloated government interferes in the market. Winners get government contracts and favored status, losers are excluded.

- War and interference in other nations for the benefit of crony business interests. Even worse when war itself becomes a "business".

- ?

The government does nothing, its the guns and butter coalition, the military industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, the technical industrial complex, BIG OIL, the FED. The big industries that have control over what the government does, not what some bureaucrat cheerleader decides to do. They don't let real people run for president.

[specsaregood]

Black market medicine gives me the bad itch, and it doesn't do anything about getting rid of the middle man.

Funny, I've received my fair share of black market healthcare and medicine in the past with good results. Had stitches put in and cut out, had wounds sealed with superglue on the black market, seen bones set on the black market, had black market antibiotics work just fine. Hell, everyday there are people getting black market healthcare with positive results.

[Brian4Liberty]

The government does nothing, its the guns and butter coalition, the military industrial complex, the medical industrial complex, the technical industrial complex, BIG OIL, the FED. The big industries that have control over what the government does, not what some bureaucrat cheerleader decides to do. They don't let real people run for president.

How many employees does the government have? Direct on the teet, with many levels of bureaucrats who revel in the power over their subordinates and or members of the subjugated masses.

But politicians do have to cater to their constitency...they got to diddle the livestock.

[Brian4Liberty]

LOL, I just realized this was an NFL thread.

[specsaregood]

LOL, I just realized this was an NFL thread.

still I bet a lot of those nfl players received black market healthcare growing up, you don't need to see a govt regulated doctor for every sprain, bruise, or cut.

[nikcers]

How many employees does the government have? Direct on the teet, with many levels of bureaucrats who revel in the power over their subordinates and or members of the subjugated masses.

Yeah but how many of those employees would go to work if they stopped getting paid by the gov? If the gov stopped getting funded by the corporate owners(not donors). Me and you don't fund the government, its just a shell game to pass out taxpayer money, and your right, the bureaucrats do lots, they fight over tax money and try to spend every dollar they can twice because its not their money.

[Ender]

You've never bought anything on the black market in the US?

And this has what to do with free trade?

[specsaregood]

And this has what to do with free trade?

You mean Capitalism? Its pure capitalism.

[Brian4Liberty]

And this has what to do with free trade?

It's an exchange (trade) with no government interference?