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    Envelopes sent to Mattis, Navy chief test positive for ricin

    Two envelopes addressed to Secretary of Defense James Mattis and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson have initially tested positive for the deadly poison ricin at the Pentagon’s mail facility, according to a report.
    The packages, which were delivered Monday, were intercepted before making it into the sprawling headquarters of the Defense Department in Virginia near Washington, DC, spokesman Chris Sherwood said Tuesday.
    They triggered alarms as they underwent a security screening at the off-site mail processing center, according to the Military Times.
    A defense official told CNN that the intended recipients were Mattis and Richardson.

    More at: https://nypost.com/2018/10/02/packag...ive-for-ricin/
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    So whoever did it had no knowledge of the remote off site mail screening by the Pentagon Force Protection Agency ( Semper Vigilans ) .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    So whoever did it had no knowledge of the remote off site mail screening by the Pentagon Force Protection Agency ( Semper Vigilans ) .
    Or they just wanted to send a message.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Or they just wanted to send a message.
    Or it's just a load of crap.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Or it's just a load of crap.
    My first thought, as well.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Or it's just a load of crap.
    Odds of that have to be at least 50 percent since the FBI is in charge and has them now . I have no doubt though that they failed the initial alarm which is probably manned by some Army private which would be more credible than the FBI.
    Last edited by oyarde; 10-02-2018 at 04:00 PM.
    Do something Danke

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    Mattis today:


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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Odds of that have to be at least 50 percent since the FBI is in charge and has them now . I have no doubt though that they failed the initial alarm which is probably manned by some Army private which would be more credible than the FBI.
    Maybe the FBI sent them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe the FBI sent them.
    Same odds because that is the MO they use . They could have given to some mentally ill person who they talked into sending it . It is the only way they can catch anyone and show cause to keep funding that agency of incompetence .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe the FBI sent them.
    Then again we have other alphabet agencies with the same capabilities.

    Don't worry, there will be an investigation.

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    Cowards. Can't face Mattis face to face so you have to attempt to poison him.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Then again we have other alphabet agencies with the same capabilities.

    Don't worry, there will be an investigation.
    Don't worry, they'll blame the Russians.
    There is no spoon.

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    Uh oh. Mad Dog is gonna kick some ass.
    ...

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    Mattis did say that he likes to keep his enemies up at night.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe the FBI sent them.
    It is probably retaliation for the 6 gorillion sealed indictments and the Marines at Langley and the military helicopters circling the CIA headquarters.
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    Question Snorting Anthrax in DC again

    This is like a bad remake of the George W. Bush administration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    This is like a bad remake of the George W. Bush administration.

    I maybe coulda bought the ricin story....until it entwined Ted Cruz. Cruz' polling against O'Rourke is becoming worse by the day. And then confirmed that it wasn't ricin but Cruz got his name all up in the headlines on the backs of the Pentagon story. Comes off like a cheap campaign stunt now.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Angry Neocon war drums redux 2018

    Anthrax False Flag Redux?

    It was reported this morning the Pentagon mail facility has received at least two packages containing the deadly poison ricin.

    Immediately after the anthrax attacks in 2001, Bush neocons put pressure on FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove the mysterious attack was the work of al-Qaeda, a fantasy on par with Saddam’s WMDs. This story—the essence of fake news—left out something important: it takes complex equipment to prepare anthrax spores for weaponization and it was highly unlikely if not impossible for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda to produce the substance in a remote Afghan cave.

    Both Bush and Cheney made the claim and the Wall Street Journal published an article linking the attack to Osama bin Laden and Iraq. Reports by ABC News followed after the late John McCain insisted the anthrax attack was the work of Iraq. McCain, celebrated as a true American hero after his death, was in cahoots with the Bush neocons to get a war going in Iraq.

    The anthrax attack dovetailed with other absurdist fake propaganda and helped promote the plan to invade Iraq. It was also instrumental in the passage of the Patriot Act, thanks to then Attorney General John Ashcroft haranguing the House Judiciary Committee.

    The anthrax attack was exploited in standard problem-reaction-solution fashion. After the attack and media hyperactivity, the US once again began throwing money into biological warfare research. The government gave the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases $1.5 billion in 2003 and Congress passed Project Bioshield Act, which provided $5.6 billion over ten years for the purchase of new vaccines and drugs, thus providing transnational pharmaceutical corporations a welcome influx of taxpayer money.

    How long before a revitalized cadre of neocons folded within the Trump administration blame this attack on Iran or Russia? The UK set the example when it blamed Russia for the Skripal “Novichok” poisonings, a transparent and completely baseless accusation that was embraced by the US and its parroting corporate media.
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    A former member of the U.S. Navy is suspected of sending Ricin-laden packages to the White House, Pentagon and office of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), according to a Wednesday report.
    “Investigators said one of the envelopes, addressed to Defense Secretary James Mattis or the Navy’s top officer, Adm. John Richardson, contained a return address leading them to believe it came from the sailor, whose name has not been disclosed,” according to the report.
    The culprit has not yet been publicly identified.

    More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/former...-cruzs-office/
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...003-story.html

    Pentagon: Suspicious substance in envelopes was castor seeds, not ricin itself

    A Pentagon spokeswoman says the suspicious substance found in envelopes turned over to the FBI contained the substance from which the poison ricin is derived, but not ricin itself.

    Dana W. White, the chief Pentagon spokeswoman, told reporters traveling with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis in Brussels that the substance was castor seeds.

    On Tuesday, Pentagon officials said two envelopes that had been suspected of containing ricin were isolated at a Pentagon mail screening facility, then sent to the FBI. They said one envelope was addressed to Mattis, the other to the chief of the U.S. Navy, Adm. John Richardson. No one was injured.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, if castor seeds are swallowed the released ricin can cause injury.
    Suspect had put his return address on one of the envelopes. Genius!

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rici...ry?id=58254992

    Federal prosecutors authorized a probably cause arrest for William Clyde Allen of Logan, Utah, who has been taken into custody, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah told ABC News.

    Officials "anticipate filing a complaint Friday in federal court in Salt Lake City," officials said.

    Allen served in the Navy from 1998 to 2002 as a damage control fireman apprentice, records showed.

    The substance found in the envelopes has since been determined to be castor seeds and not ricin, according chief Pentagon spokesperson Dana White.

    "According to our preliminary analysis, the substance was castor seeds, from which ricin is derived. The FBI is still investigating," White said.

    The letters were sent to the Pentagon, White House and Sen. Ted Cruz’s office.

    Another U.S. official familiar with the investigation said that one of the four envelopes had a return address, which was used as a lead in the FBI's investigation.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 04:34 PM.

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    https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending-...cist/845750341

    In an unrelated case:

    Ricin charges dropped against Georgia white supremacist

    ATLANTA - A north Georgia white supremacist arrested last year for alleged possession of the deadly toxin ricin is no longer facing federal charges after a judge dismissed the case — on a technicality that exposes a regulatory failure.

    In an order signed Sept. 21, U.S. District Court Judge Richard Story agreed with the man’s legal team that changes to federal law in 2004 and regulatory edits in 2005 inexplicably excluded ricin from the criminal charge of possession of illegal biological toxins known as “select agents.”

    Story left open the possibility that William Christopher Gibbs could be charged under another federal law. But, he said, Gibbs “cannot be convicted under this one.”

    It is a staggering outcome that points to a weakness in federal law.

    In court filings, prosecutors complained Gibbs was getting off on “a clerical error” and that Congress had always intended for ricin possession to be illegal and “to conclude otherwise would lead to absurd results.”

    In a 10-page order, Story disagreed and said it is not the role of a judge to overrule federal law.

    “Congress had ample opportunity to amend the statute to make its definition of ‘select agent’ comport to the Government’s interpretation. It has been 14 years, and Congress has yet to do so. And there are plausible explanations why,” the judge wrote. “For instance, Congress may have decided that the unregistered possession of ricin, alone, is not conduct sufficiently culpable to justify the commission of a federal crime.”

    Prosecutors in the office of U.S. Attorney BJay Pak did not respond to a list of written questions about the case Tuesday. The federal public defender’s office, which represents Gibbs, had no comment.

    Gibbs was arrested Feb. 2, 2017, when he showed up in a Fannin County emergency room fearful he had been exposed to ricin. Authorities cordoned off his car and a hazardous materials team was called in to retrieve a bottle that tested positive for the poison.

    Ricin has long been favored by domestic terrorists, especially those with white supremacist ties, in part because it is inexpensive and relatively easy to make. In Washington, the Pentagon was on alert Tuesday after news broke that two pieces of mail delivered to an off-site mail sorting facility tested positive for ricin.

    In 2014, a jury convicted two north Georgia men of plotting to use ricin to kill federal agents and judges in Atlanta.

    Those men were sentenced to 10 years in prison, but they faced charges different than those leveled against Gibbs, in part because of the conspiracy into which the men had entered. Gibbs allegedly worked alone and prosecutors have never said what they believed he planned to do with the ricin.

    Prior to his arrest, Gibbs associated himself online with a white supremacist “religion” known as the Church of Creativity, which preaches racial warfare and holds violent racist and anti-Semitic beliefs. Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project, found the dismissal of the ricin charge against Gibbs hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Anthrax False Flag Redux?

    It was reported this morning the Pentagon mail facility has received at least two packages containing the deadly poison ricin.

    Immediately after the anthrax attacks in 2001, Bush neocons put pressure on FBI Director Robert Mueller to prove the mysterious attack was the work of al-Qaeda, a fantasy on par with Saddam’s WMDs. This story—the essence of fake news—left out something important: it takes complex equipment to prepare anthrax spores for weaponization and it was highly unlikely if not impossible for Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda to produce the substance in a remote Afghan cave.

    Both Bush and Cheney made the claim and the Wall Street Journal published an article linking the attack to Osama bin Laden and Iraq. Reports by ABC News followed after the late John McCain insisted the anthrax attack was the work of Iraq. McCain, celebrated as a true American hero after his death, was in cahoots with the Bush neocons to get a war going in Iraq.

    The anthrax attack dovetailed with other absurdist fake propaganda and helped promote the plan to invade Iraq. It was also instrumental in the passage of the Patriot Act, thanks to then Attorney General John Ashcroft haranguing the House Judiciary Committee.

    The anthrax attack was exploited in standard problem-reaction-solution fashion. After the attack and media hyperactivity, the US once again began throwing money into biological warfare research. The government gave the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases $1.5 billion in 2003 and Congress passed Project Bioshield Act, which provided $5.6 billion over ten years for the purchase of new vaccines and drugs, thus providing transnational pharmaceutical corporations a welcome influx of taxpayer money.

    How long before a revitalized cadre of neocons folded within the Trump administration blame this attack on Iran or Russia? The UK set the example when it blamed Russia for the Skripal “Novichok” poisonings, a transparent and completely baseless accusation that was embraced by the US and its parroting corporate media.
    You are really thick..

    Ya, it was a false flag by the FBI/Bush admin last time. And ya, it was the same people this time. The difference is the dynamic. Last time they were trying to make the politicians scared of the terrorists and scare them into voting for the Patriot Act and the wars. This time they know damn well it wasn't Muslim terrorists, they are straight up trying to scare politicians away from doing what Trump wants and bring the troops home.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You are really thick..

    Ya, it was a false flag by the FBI/Bush admin last time. And ya, it was the same people this time. The difference is the dynamic. Last time they were trying to make the politicians scared of the terrorists and scare them into voting for the Patriot Act and the wars. This time they know damn well it wasn't Muslim terrorists, they are straight up trying to scare politicians away from doing what Trump wants and bring the troops home.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    LOL, ya, you should laugh.. you're too stupid to realize it was a false flag the first time around. Why the $#@! anybody here would listen to your claptrap is beyond me.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    So , am I to believe a former Navy Fireman in Utah sent Mattis poison with a return address on it ?
    Do something Danke

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    Isn't everything a false flag?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-03-2018 at 05:17 PM.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    So , am I to believe a former Navy Fireman in Utah sent Mattis poison with a return address on it ?
    Only if your brain is as small as zippy's.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  32. #28

    Angry Deep State Don, the neo-CON

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You are really thick..

    Ya, it was a false flag by the FBI/Bush admin last time. And ya, it was the same people this time. The difference is the dynamic. Last time they were trying to make the politicians scared of the terrorists and scare them into voting for the Patriot Act and the wars. This time they know damn well it wasn't Muslim terrorists, they are straight up trying to scare politicians away from doing what Trump wants and bring the troops home.
    President Trump is a garden variety neocon the same as the Bush's, Clinton, Obama, John F. Kerry, John Bolton, Joe Lieberman, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, and his lawyer Ruby Giuliani. Run of the mill globalist deep state, America last neocon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I maybe coulda bought the ricin story....until it entwined Ted Cruz. Cruz' polling against O'Rourke is becoming worse by the day. And then confirmed that it wasn't ricin but Cruz got his name all up in the headlines on the backs of the Pentagon story. Comes off like a cheap campaign stunt now.
    I'm starting to think Cruz might actually luz.

    Apparently there have been ~400,000 new voter registrations in TX since March.

    Assuming they're mostly young people, which they probably are, that is very bad news for the TX GOP.


  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I maybe coulda bought the ricin story....until it entwined Ted Cruz. Cruz' polling against O'Rourke is becoming worse by the day. And then confirmed that it wasn't ricin but Cruz got his name all up in the headlines on the backs of the Pentagon story. Comes off like a cheap campaign stunt now.
    Cruz and beto cuck's polling came a little too close a month ago but Cruz is extending his lead, was probably just some shtty polling. Cruz will win but Beta is cash flush, which he blew on giving away yard signs to the entire state.

    As for the powder attacks, after all the has been caught doing the past two years in their TDS rage, its really not outside of what they're capable of. Trump Jr and his family got a powder envelope too, last year?
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