It is a very, very, very small hope. Assuming if that is really his personality. Of course, if Putin makes a mockery of Trump.. gg world war 3.Originally Posted by puppetmaster
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Last edited by robert68; 09-26-2016 at 06:24 AM.
Putin will never do that. He is not stupid plus he can sense an alpha male from a mile away.
Last edited by timosman; 09-26-2016 at 09:30 AM.
Caught that too. You beat me to the post.
What was Trump's "trigger moment" for threatening to run third party against Ron Paul if he won the nomination?
Trump never throws the first punch. It was Paul supporters that interrupted and booed him at CPAC in 2011 that triggered Trump.
Trumps response:
In hindsight his statement in the context of him running as opposed to Ron's chances of winning were factual and complimentary to Ron.I like Ron Paul, I think he is a good guy but honestly he has zero chance of getting elected, you have to win an election....If I run and if I win
Ron however could not let it go even after Trump decided not to run. When Trump invited all the Presidential candidates to his debate forum some months later, Ron went on attack mode writing a scathing press release and took to the media to mock Trump.
So there you have the basis for the Paul-Trump feud.
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This is called class. Something nobody talks about anymore.
It's a Trump feud- RP was not "feuding".
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ate-invitationPaul Keeps His Honor, Rejects Trump's Debate Invitation
Written by Bob Adelmann
Ron PaulWhen Christopher Ruddy, CEO of Newsmax Media, decided to team up with Donald Trump by asking him to moderate Newsmax’s upcoming Republican presidential debate in Des Moines, Iowa, on Tuesday, December 27, he explained: “Our readers and the grass roots really love Trump. They may not agree with him on everything, but they don’t see him as owned by the Washington establishment [or] the media establishment.”
The timing for the debate appeared to be perfect, coming just a week before the Iowa caucuses. Ruddy no doubt was counting on the debate to increase Newsmax’s influence among its conservative supporters, hoping to build on its already-significant Web traffic. Invitations went out to the Republican presidential candidates on Friday afternoon.
It didn’t take Ron Paul’s campaign chairman, Jesse Benton, long to respond. On Saturday morning, he issued the following statement:
The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee rejects the selection of Donald Trump as moderator for the Republican presidential debate to be held on December 27th in Iowa.
We have conferred with our Iowa campaign chairman Drew Ivers and vice-chairmen David Fischer and A.J. Spiker who are all RPI State Central Committee Members, and they concur with this decision.
The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that office’s history and dignity. Mr. Trump’s participation as moderator will distract from questions and answers concerning important issues such as the national economy, crushing federal government debt, the role of the federal government, foreign policy, and the like. To be sure, Mr. Trump’s participation will contribute to an unwanted circus-like atmosphere.
Mr. Trump’s selection is also wildly inappropriate because of his record of toying with the serious decision of whether to compete for our nation’s highest office, a decision he appeared to make frivolously. The short-lived elevation of Mr. Trump’s stature as a candidate put him on the radar of many organizations and we recall that last spring he was invited to keynote the Republican Party of Iowa’s annual Reagan Dinner, yet at the last minute he left RPI holding the bag by canceling. In turn, RPI canceled its biggest fundraising gala of the year and suffered embarrassment and in addition RPI was required to engage in refunding measures. Our candidate will not even consider participating in the late-December debate until Mr. Trump publicly apologizes to Iowa party leaders and rectifies in full the situation.
Therefore our candidate Ron Paul, the champion of the Constitution, has advised he will not attend.
Within hours Trump responded:
As I said in the past and will reiterate again, Ron Paul has a zero chance of winning either the nomination or the Presidency.
My poll numbers were substantially higher than any of his poll numbers, at any time, and when I decided not to run, due to the equal time provisions concerning my hit show The Apprentice, I was leading the Republican field....
Few people take Ron Paul seriously and many of his views and presentation make him a clown-like candidate. I am glad he and Jon Huntsman, who has inconsequential poll numbers or a chance of winning, will not be attending the debate and wasting the time of the viewers who are trying very hard to make a very important decision.
And then, Trump added:
Why is a person who has built a more than 7 billion dollar net worth, with more than 270 million dollars in cash ... not the right person to lead this country out of economic chaos or at least to moderate a debate. I would like to see how Ron Paul would fair [sic] in the world of big business.
Benton spelled out how a reconciliation might be arranged between the two camps:
If Trump wants to be taken seriously by Republicans, he needs to quit Celebrity Apprentice and apologize to the Iowa GOP [for canceling at the last minute and costing the party thousands of dollars]. If he gets his act together, President Paul might consider getting his advice on fixing our country’s financial situation. We understand [that the] Donald has a lot of experience with bankruptcy.
This was too much for Trump, who asked his legal advisor and “pit bull,” Michael D. Cohen, to respond to Benton. Cohen sports the moniker “pit bull” because, as Cohen told ABC News, “It means that if somebody does something Mr. Trump doesn’t like, I do everything in my power to resolve it to Mr. Trump’s benefit.” He added: "If you do something wrong, I’m going to come at you, grab you by the neck and I’m not going to let you go until I’m finished."
Cohen's retort accused Paul of being “willing to lie” in order to make a point. He said, “By making such an absurd comment, Mr. Paul is either very jealous of Mr. Trump, stupid, or a combination of both. People who are worth 7 billion dollars, with little or no debt and 270 million in cash do not go bankrupt.” But then Cohen added that Trump did use “the laws of the country on a few companies that he owned ... to his benefit.”
This writer, in an earlier article, documented that Trump has a history of stiffing his creditors on a regular basis to the tune of millions and sometimes billions of dollars. He is so skilled at the maneuver that, after four separate bankruptcies since 1991, he had the audacity to tell George Stephanopoulos on ABC News:
I’ve used the laws of this country to pare debt.... We’ll have the company. We’ll throw it into a chapter [7 bankruptcy]. We’ll negotiate with the banks. We’ll make a fantastic deal. You know, it’s like on “The Apprentice.” It’s not personal. It’s just business.
Paul not only sees clearly that steering a wide berth around the likes of Trump will serve his campaign well, it will also preserve his honor. When asked about the matter on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday morning, Paul said, "He probably doesn’t like my position on the Federal Reserve. It may be, deep down, philosophic ... and his personality that doesn’t like to be challenged."
His response has resonated surprisingly well with others in the mainstream media who are looking at his rejection as giving his campaign an unexpected shot in the arm.
Not that he needs it. His campaign is already resonating well with the people who matter the most: the voters in Iowa who according to a recent poll rank Paul ahead of Mitt Romney and second only to Newt Gingrich.
Truth.
There is no spoon.
You call Ron writing a scathing mocking press release and then making the rounds in the press only a Trump fued? Come on. I agreed with the substance of what Ron was saying but believed if you are trying to win hearts and minds you do not go around trashing people. Ron should have let the CPAC thing go.
This was the one instance Ron sided with the Republican establishment that was as equally hard on Trump. Like Rand, where did it get them. All it did was create an unnecessary feud rather than build alliances to achieve greater political capital.
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Yea +1. Retro Actively, Ron Paul wasn't fit to be president in 2008. He never wanted to win, just to educate. I am glad Ron Paul awakened many people including myself. But as a campaigner he is not good. Look at the Iowa disaster in 2012.
Looking at it today, Ron Paul uselessly attacking Trump was a huge mistake now that Trump has a toss chance to become POTUS.
EDIT: but who at the time would have bet on Trump in 2016. I sure wouldn't have.
Have you seen the rest of the lineup at the time?
You know who else did that? Caesar dictator of Rome.
This was painful to hear then, it is even more painful to hear now, because the truth really hurts.
Nice and principled doesn't work in American politics anymore. I wish it did.
When evil criminals are winning, and rude idiots power their way to the top, and the media can spin things so strongly, and the party itself is against you, you realize in retrospect given the forces arrayed against Paul he didn't have chance.
Trump had the ability to see the bigger picture even if he is a buffoon.
I hate to say it, and it makes me sad, and it gives me no pleasure to say it, Trump was right.
Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos
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