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  1. #151



    Kicking & Screaming: Journo Dragged From Press Area Near Air Force One


    By CHRISTINA HOAG
    Published Jul 16, 2009
    AP

    Secret Service personnel remove Brenda Lee from near Air Force One after Lee attempted to give President Obama a letter.

    A reporter for a small newspaper was forcibly removed from a press area near Air Force One shortly before President Barack Obama arrived at Los Angeles International Airport to depart California early Thursday.

    Airport security officers carried the woman away by the feet and arms as she protested her removal.
    She later identified herself as Brenda Lee, a writer for the Georgia Informer in Macon and said she has White House press credentials. The newspaper's Web site says it is a monthly publication, and a Brenda Lee column is posted on it.

    Calls to the newspaper and the White House press office were not immediately returned.

    Lee said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press that she wanted to hand Obama a letter urging him "to take a stand for traditional marriage."
    She said she asked a Secret Service agent to give the president her letter, but he refused and referred her to a White House staffer. Lee said she refused to give the staffer the letter.
    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/a...orce-One-.html



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  3. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It is the best and closest description to what happened. It was a strike with an open palm in the same motion as a karate chop with the same contact point. I called it a light karate chop.

    It is not enough to call it an assault, but it's enough to pull his creds, that is not how those things are supposed to work.

    The right is not obsessing, the left is obsessing over it. The right is simply defending their position.
    There is no strike, no karate chop- just a brushing aside. Can't believe people still worked up over this.

    Open palm strike:

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-11-2018 at 03:18 PM.



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  5. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Breaking! CNN and Jim Acosta SUING Trump
    https://therightscoop.com/breaking-c...a-suing-trump/
    If he does in court what he did in that Presser--especially since he's going to get dismissed as frivolous--he'll wind up in contempt of court.
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  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is no strike, no karate chop- just a brushing aside. Can't believe people still worked up over this.

    Open palm strike:

    It's pretty clear in the video with the close-up that the media claims was "doctored" (it was not), that he did a light karate chop on her arm.

    Everybody knows what a karate chop is, your obfuscation isn't going to change anybody's mind.

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  7. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree. The government can't prevent people from speaking but they don't have to let people into the WH.


    That being said I'll bet CNN tries to claim 1st amendment violation.
    The "Press" as it self identifies has always interpreted "freedom of the press" as a license for them to do anything they wanted.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 11-11-2018 at 04:31 PM.
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  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It's pretty clear in the video with the close-up that the media claims was "doctored" (it was not), that he did a light karate chop on her arm.

    Everybody knows what a karate chop is, your obfuscation isn't going to change anybody's mind.
    Yes, they do. That was not one.

  9. #157
    It was in-between a brush-aside and a light karate chop.

    Looked to me like their arms were already in contact, and Acosta forcefully pushed down with his arm on top of hers.

    Instead of taking his credential they should have just put him in the back of the room. Then when he yells questions over others as he surely would do, they kick him out of the room.

    Except that yeah, I think Trump likes having CNN as a foil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Except that yeah, I think Trump likes having CNN as a foil.
    Just like we all love having ZippyJuan here as a foil.
    Imagine the forums without him.

    BORING.

  11. #159
    "The Patriarch"

  12. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Just like we all love having ZippyJuan here as a foil.
    Imagine the forums without him.

    BORING.
    I disagree with Zippy but at least it appears he does not pretend to be something he is not and is consistent in his defense of propaganda masquerading as news. Basically we have someone that consistently represents the fake media's point of view with the forum exposing and hashing out the lies throughout the thread. It would be an echo chamber otherwise.

    That is opposed to another 2008 member that has a long history continually posting how libertarian he is while spamming Progressive talking points and then being a dick about it by accusing everyone else of being less so to cover his tracks.



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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-praise-915047

    “Never wrestle him, you understand that?” Trump said of the Montana Republican, eliciting loud cheers during a political rally in Missoula, Mont. “Any guy who can do a body slam is my kind of guy.
    But touch a girl and you are out. That is not OK.

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  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree. The government can't prevent people from speaking but they don't have to let people into the WH.


    That being said I'll bet CNN tries to claim 1st amendment violation.
    I was right:

    "CNN filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on Tuesday, alleging a First Amendment violation and demanding that journalist Jim Acosta’s White House credentials be restored."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8fec22843e6c

    Does that mean we all have a fundamental right to enter the WH and ask the President questions? Like our right to property? That's ironic considering that I've rarely ever heard anyone at CNN who believes in property rights.

  16. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I was right:

    "CNN filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on Tuesday, alleging a First Amendment violation and demanding that journalist Jim Acosta’s White House credentials be restored."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8fec22843e6c

    Does that mean we all have a fundamental right to enter the WH and ask the President questions? Like our right to property? That's ironic considering that I've rarely ever heard anyone at CNN who believes in property rights.
    Only the "Press" has that "Right", didn't you know that that is what the founders intended when they drafted the 1stA? Everyone knows that when they referred to freedom of the press they meant the "Gentlemen of the Press" were free to do anything they pleased.
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  17. #164
    Judge Swamp:

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  18. #165
    I think this goes here.

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  19. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Judge Swamp:

    I think Trump just told him to go on TV and disagree with him on everything until he gets the SC nomination, then he can point to all the times he has split ways with the President during his hearing and they won't be able to spin it that he is some kind of Trump lackey.
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  20. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I think Trump just told him to go on TV and disagree with him on everything until he gets the SC nomination, then he can point to all the times he has split ways with the President during his hearing and they won't be able to spin it that he is some kind of Trump lackey.
    How many SCOTUS nominations until he gets one?

    AG would be a better idea now that Sessions is gone, his age doesn't matter in that position.
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  21. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I think Trump just told him to go on TV and disagree with him on everything until he gets the SC nomination, then he can point to all the times he has split ways with the President during his hearing and they won't be able to spin it that he is some kind of Trump lackey.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How many SCOTUS nominations until he gets one?

    AG would be a better idea now that Sessions is gone, his age doesn't matter in that position.
    I will believe it when Trump appoints him to something.
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  23. #169
    The newest member of the mainstream media jumped into the legal fight to help CNN reporter Jim Acosta restore his White House media privileges.
    FOX News will file legal papers to support CNN’s lawsuit against President Trump.
    We here are far from surprised.

    FOX vacated its conservative principals long ago and is now part of the MSM cabal.
    “FOX News supports CNN in its legal effort to regain its White House reporter’s press credential. We intend to file an amicus brief with the U.S. District Court.” — Blake
    Statement from Fox News president Jay Wallace:
    “FOX News supports CNN in its legal effort to regain its White House reporter’s press credential. We intend to file an amicus brief with the U.S. District Court.”
    — Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) November 14, 2018


    https://truepundit.com/fox-news-show...se-press-pass/
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  24. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I have no issue with him losing his WH press pass. His turn was up. However I see him more as a jackass than a criminal.
    This BBC article has same take on Acosta - a spoiled little brat:

    "Jim Acosta was called on by the president to ask a question. … And when he'd finished asking one, he then asked another - with interruption follow-ups in between. It was only when he attempted his third question - or possibly fourth depending on how you define the follow-ups - that the president got angry and asked him to sit down. …

    I'm pretty sure Acosta never intended to "mistouch" the young female intern. He was just trying to hold on to the mic. …

    What happened in that room was not the ultimate fight for press freedom. … This was a bloke sitting in a room full of colleagues who were all trying to ask questions too. This was a man who'd had his turn and had been told he couldn't hog the whole time. …

    The president took CNN's question and then took more. And when he tried to move on, he couldn't. Once the Acosta incident was over, he went on to take questions from journalists from all over the world - for a total of 90 minutes. ..."
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  25. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Not just obnoxious - the question was straight up "When did you stop beating the caravan?" People are supposed to go to journalism school to NOT ask those type questions
    Poynter comments on that issue of Acosta's lack of journalist integrity:

    "Jim Acosta’s encounter Wednesday at a White House press conference was less about asking questions and more about making statements. ...

    Acosta asked the president if Trump had demonized the caravan of Central Americans trekking toward the United States, ending his exchange by stating, “It is not an invasion.” If Acosta had asked “What about that seems like an invasion?” he could have both sought an answer ... Acosta asked. “Do you think that you demonize immigrants?” To which the president answered, “No.” A better question might have been, “How do you respond to the criticism that you are demonizing certain types of immigrants, namely poor immigrants?”

    But then Acosta’s questions ended and his statements began. “Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls,” ... “They are hundreds of miles away, that’s not an invasion.” ... A briefing is not the same as a cable news wrestling match, where sides shout at each other. Acosta should have handed over the microphone. ..."
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  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Secret Service personnel remove Brenda Lee from near Air Force One after Lee attempted to give President Obama a letter.

    A reporter for a small newspaper was forcibly removed from a press area near Air Force One shortly before President Barack Obama arrived at Los Angeles International Airport to depart California early Thursday.

    Airport security officers carried the woman away by the feet and arms as she protested her removal.

    She later identified herself as Brenda Lee, a writer for the Georgia Informer in Macon and said she has White House press credentials.

    ...
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  27. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    “Some animals are more equal than others...”
    One of the things Trump gets credit for is exposing media hypocrisy/lies, ruining credibility of fakenews media and beating them at their own game.

    Perhaps public leaders grown outside media hub of NYC and away from reality TV/fake wrestling etc simply cannot be equipped with the unique media combat skills among other sharp shooter skills he brings to the table.

  28. #174
    Judge orders White House to return Jim Acosta's press pass

    (CNN) — Federal judge Timothy J. Kelly sided with CNN on Friday, ordering the White House to reinstate chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta's press pass.

    The ruling was an initial victory for CNN in its lawsuit against President Trump and several top aides.

    The lawsuit alleges that CNN and Acosta's First and Fifth Amendment rights are being violated by the suspension of Acosta's press pass.
    ...
    Kelly made his ruling on the basis of CNN and Acosta's Fifth Amendment claims, saying the White House did not provide Acosta with the due process required to legally revoke his press pass.
    ...
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/media...ing/index.html
    Due process. LOL. Is Acosta under arrest? Is he in jail?

    Next up, a lawsuit filed by Starbucks:

    “Hey look, Trump didn’t excercise ‘due process’ when he decided where to buy coffee. Unconstitutional!!!”
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  29. #175
    Judge orders Trump administration to restore CNN reporter Jim Acosta's White House press pass
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/judg...ress-pass.html

    Simple enough. Issue the following statement.

    The White House gives press interviews to reporters at it's leisure. It does so to keep an open communication. However, some reporters feel this is an avenue to enhance their ratings instead of following set rules and the basic rules of candor. From this time forward the White House will only issue press releases with no live one-on-one follow up. You can thank fake-news CNNs Jim Acosta.

  30. #176

    Judge temporarily restrained White House from revoking pass. More to come...

    It’s only temporary.

    (from the cnbc link: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/judg...ress-pass.html )
    Kelly granted CNN's request for a temporary restraining order, ruling that the White House had violated Acosta's due process. He ordered both parties to file a joint status report next week on how to proceed in the case.

    CNN asked the judge to quickly rule on the request for a temporary restraining order, arguing that "every day that passes without Acosta regaining his press credentials is a concrete injury."

    Justice Department lawyers replied in a court filing that suspending the pass was "lawful" and that the White House held "broad discretion to regulate" journalists' access to the grounds.
    Also:
    In a statement later on Friday, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the Trump administration will return Acosta's pass.

    "Today, the court made clear that there is no absolute First Amendment right to access the White House. In response to the court, we will temporarily reinstate the reporter's hard pass. We will also further develop rules and processes to ensure fair and orderly press conferences in the future," Sanders said. "There must be decorum at the White House."
    Not entirely clear to me, why Sanders is implying that the court made it clear that there is “no absolute First Amendment right to access the White House.” (Although I agree.) Reports I'm seeing, don't seem to mention the first amendment at all. Is she saying that since the judge didn’t immediately rule that Acosta has been deprived of his first amendment right - we can deduce that that is not an issue here at all? That only the “due process” part is or might be an issue? And is it entirely up to the White House to now develop those rules and processes which will determine what that due process consists of?



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  32. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    It’s only temporary.

    (from the cnbc link: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/judg...ress-pass.html )

    Also:

    Not entirely clear to me, why Sanders is implying that the court made it clear that there is “no absolute First Amendment right to access the White House.” (Although I agree.) Reports I'm seeing, don't seem to mention the first amendment at all. Is she saying that since the judge didn’t immediately rule that Acosta has been deprived of his first amendment right - we can deduce that that is not an issue here at all? That only the “due process” part is or might be an issue? And is it entirely up to the White House to now develop those rules and processes which will determine what that due process consists of?
    Yes the judge only sited the due process claims not the first amendment claim, for the temporary restoration.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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  33. #178
    Give Acosta his credential,
    put him in the back of the room,
    don't call on him.
    If he shouts questions
    escort him out of the room.
    If he resists, yell "Stop resisting!!!"
    and taze the sh!t out of him.
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  34. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Yes the judge only cited the due process claims not the first amendment claim, for the temporary restoration.
    Anyone figuring the odds of Trump having another press conference before it goes through?
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  35. #180
    Due process? What does due process have to do with anything? Acosta was not charged with any crime.

    I don't even know how a court has any standing to hear this case. There is no legal matter at play. What business does the court have dictating to the executive who they can and cannot let onto the premisis? At some point these rediculous rulings need to simply be ignored.

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