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    Pentagon wasted $28 million on uniforms for Afghan soldiers, report says

    Why are we even buying Afgan uniforms?

    WASHINGTON — The Pentagon wasted as much as $28 million over the past decade buying uniforms for the Afghan army with a woodland camouflage pattern appropriate for a tiny fraction of that war-torn country, according to the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction.

    The Afghan Defense Minister picked the pricey, privately owned “forest” color pattern over free camouflage schemes owned by the U.S. government, according to an advance copy of the report due out on Wednesday. The scathing, 17-page study notes that “forests cover only 2.1% of Afghanistan’s total land area.”

    “My concern is what if the minister of defense liked purple, or liked pink?” John Sopko, the special inspector general, told USA TODAY in an interview. “Are we going to buy pink uniforms for soldiers and not ask questions? That’s insane. This is just simply stupid on its face. We wasted $28 million of taxpayers’ money in the name of fashion, because the defense minister thought that that pattern was pretty. So if he thought pink or chartreuse was it, would we have done that?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Why are we even buying Afgan uniforms?
    So they Afghans can dress up in them and shoot Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Why are we even buying Afgan uniforms?


    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...medium=twitter
    It didn't even cost you a Franzia box in labor. Can I get a FOIA about the Afghan soldiers that kill our troops and what they are wearing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Why are we even buying Afgan uniforms?
    We have to give them a military uniform and guns so when we destroy their country we can say they had a fighting chance.

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    Chump change.

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    Was it an American contractor? Who's name is on the check?
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    How many uniforms did 28 million get ? How much would the desert color cost ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Why are we even buying Afgan uniforms?


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    That story is what we get when people who know less than nothing about military matters decide to voice an opinion about what happened.

    More probable course of events. US decides to change uniform pattern in 2004. That results in a number of uniforms in the old pattern in inventory. Somebody decides to build, uniform and equip an Afghan Army at US taxpayer expense.
    Hey, why not give them our left over uniforms?" becomes a thought because it will be cheaper than buying all new gear two years from now, because an immediate solution is available.

    Note: for Afghan deployments the US then changed back to a pattern with more brown and green in it similar to the old pattern given to the Afghans.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    Was it an American contractor? Who's name is on the check?
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    I'm fine with this as long as the uniform has a clearly visible US flag on it to indicate that the afghan army is basically our army
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    Given how much they help to protect our poppy fields over there, its the least we can do
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Given how much they help to protect our poppy fields over there, its the least we can do
    Shouldn't it come out of CIA funds then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    So they Afghans can dress up in them and shoot Americans.
    That was my first thought when I read this...FFS.


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    Why does anyone even care? $28 million is like 0.005 % of our military budget.

    If it was wasted (and not saying it was), it's basically like losing a penny. Not worth even a second thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    That story is what we get when people who know less than nothing about military matters decide to voice an opinion about what happened.

    More probable course of events. US decides to change uniform pattern in 2004. That results in a number of uniforms in the old pattern in inventory. Somebody decides to build, uniform and equip an Afghan Army at US taxpayer expense.
    Hey, why not give them our left over uniforms?" becomes a thought because it will be cheaper than buying all new gear two years from now, because an immediate solution is available.

    Note: for Afghan deployments the US then changed back to a pattern with more brown and green in it similar to the old pattern given to the Afghans.
    I'd take a half dozen pairs of those BDU's but they didn't ask me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Why are we even buying Afgan uniforms?
    Well. how else are we gonna be able to tell the "good" gjuys from the "bad" gjuys?

    “Are we going to buy pink uniforms for soldiers and not ask questions? That’s insane. This is just simply stupid on its face. We wasted $28 million of taxpayers’ money in the name of fashion, because the defense minister thought that that pattern was pretty. So if he thought pink or chartreuse was it, would we have done that?”
    As opposed to what? Wasting it on yet more bombs to be used in the longest aggressive, non-defensive war in American history?

    Talk about insane stupidity ... (chartreuse cammies don't even come close ...)
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    Make clothes, not war?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunklocoempire View Post
    Make clothes, not war?
    I'm sure it was well intended comment. But reality on the ground is that making clothes can go only so far in stimulating economy and cannot create the kind of well paying jobs that $100 billions weapons sales to warring mideast dictators woud.



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