Chip In to Bail Out Roger Pion

[PaulConventionWV]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

Yes, and they are disgusting human beings. I will not acquiesce to their expectations just to fit into their paradigm of American greatness when, in reality, America is a fascist s***hole. Yeah, I said it. We were all thinking it, I said it.

[TheTexan]

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

[PaulConventionWV]

Yep. Not running over cop cars is now "being completely subservient and non-combative."

How many has Ron run over, I wonder...

It's the implied narrative, not the specific action. These people want us not to stand out in any way for fear of offending the delicate minds of statists everywhere. I refuse to go down that road. I admire Ron, but he's a politician. I have decided already that I will not go down that road because I can't do it that way. We need a multi-faceted approach, but we will never achieve our ends if we continue to belittle those who wish to introduce a little reality into the situation and continue to put those who would do anything not to make a spectacle and look like good law-abiding citizens, good statists. To me, that is contrary to the cause.

Compliance is the implication. Just obey while you haven't won and spend the rest of your life "working within the system." I would rather work without the system, thank you very much.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

I'm not crazy. I'm just sick of "bull$#@!." Most people I know are sick of this same bull$#@!. It would be nice for the 75% of people who are sick of bull$#@! to stand up and say they're sick of bull$#@!. Now we have a guy who made that statement VERY clearly. Some of us can show some support, and some other people can keep pretending that it's ok if cops arrest a lot of people with bull$#@! charges about bull$#@! issues, but lay low and be happy it wasn't them.

If you let people tell you the RP people are "crazy," you're bowing down to the 10% politically active people, and ignoring the 50% who care... but those 50% decided it's useless and there's nothing they can do. Therefore, they don't vote, they don't get politically active in any way, and they just hide from the state and hope they aren't the next target. This could be their chance to throw a few measly dollars at something they believe in.


AND YOU TELL ME....

Why does he not deserve to be out on bond?

Why does he not deserve our support for standing up to oppressive government bull$#@!?

Do you think those police cars are used to run around the county being friendly to people?

I have a hard time finding anyone who tells me that their police interaction is friendly. If you think this forum is going to attract republicans and democrats who love law enforcement, but find this thread distasteful.... where are they? They've had more than 4 years to show up. Outside of friends in LE, I can't find anyone who supports the current state of LE, and even the ones I know don't. They just want to keep their pathetic jobs.

[Nirvikalpa]

I just wouldn't tie Ron Paul's name with it which was the entire point of the post above (which seemed to me missed among the ad hominem attacks to me [both posted and through reputation]), but as you wish. I am not stopping it or moving this thread (that is publicly viewable).

Cheers.

[TheTexan]

I admire Ron, but he's a politician. I have decided already that I will not go down that road because I can't do it that way. We need a multi-faceted approach

Indeed. See the second video above. Ron advocates strongly for civil disobedience, and makes the point that just because he has gone down the path of trying to work within the system, doesn't mean we should follow that road as well

[GeorgiaAvenger]

No way. I sympathize for his marijuana arrest, but now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for 7 new police cruisers. Face it, he's an idiot. I'd rather give my money to liberty candidates or starving children.

[TheTexan]

No way. I sympathize for his marijuana arrest, but now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for 7 new police cruisers.

Considering that the tax payers are the ones responsible for his arrest for a victimless crime to begin with... I have zero sympathy for them

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Yeah, this bail is for his crazed rampage right?

If it was for the marijuana arrest, it would be legitimate.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Considering that the tax payers are the ones responsible for his arrest for a victimless crime to begin with... I have zero sympathy for them

I have zero sympathy for an idiot. Running over police cars does nothing to help his cause whatsoever, it only hurts people.

[Kluge]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

If it's any consolation, Ron Paul isn't going to win the nomination--we needed those votes a long time before this issue came up.

[MJU1983]

No way. I sympathize for his marijuana arrest, but now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for 7 new police cruisers. Face it, he's an idiot. I'd rather give my money to liberty candidates or starving children.

Thank you, that will be $100.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Thank you, that will be $100.

Not my money.

He won't raise 50,000 and who knows what the chipin person will do with the remainder of the cash.

[Nirvikalpa]

Yeah, this bail is for his crazed rampage right?

If it was for the marijuana arrest, it would be legitimate.

Someone gets it.

[MJU1983]

Not my money.

He won't raise 50,000 and who knows what the chipin person will do with the remainder of the cash.

He only needs $5,000 for bond in VT, 10% of bail.

[pcosmar]

but now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for 7 new police cruisers.

GOOD,,
Perhaps they will rethink the waste of money..

The system is going broke..perhaps NOT buying new cars and laying off or disbanding these tax feeders is a good idea.

perhaps it should be happening enough that the "system" can not keep up.

Attrition.

[TheTexan]

Running over police cars does nothing to help his cause whatsoever

Perhaps as an isolated incident you're right. Civil disobedience works much better when there are many people doing it. Which can only happen... if people... start doing it...

Our country was founded on civil disobedience, not dissimilar from this event here

[MJU1983]

Here we are, on liberty forest...opposing liberty. Is that irony?

liberty |ˈlibərtē| noun
1 the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views
2 the power or scope to act as one pleases

[pcosmar]

He won't raise 50,000 and who knows what the chipin person will do with the remainder of the cash.

You mean the family.. Bail, Lawyers,,whatever judgement the Court imposes.

I doubt that enough will be raised to make a dent,, let alone be left over.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Yeah, this bail is for his crazed rampage right?

If it was for the marijuana arrest, it would be legitimate.

How much money have they made regarding MJ arrests and imprisonment? More or less than that? Take a guess. Where do you think that money comes from?

[pcosmar]

http://www.facebook.com/groups/547762858583315/
He goes to court tomorrow.

Their chip-in has $568,20,, as of this post.
http://freerogerpion.chipin.com/roger-pion

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

How much money have they made regarding MJ arrests and imprisonment? More or less than that? Take a guess. Where do you think that money comes from?

Let me explain that differently.


I'M $#@!ING SICK OF PAYING TO PUT PEOPLE IN PRISON WHO POSE NO THREAT TO ME.

DOES THIS GUY POSE A THREAT TO ME? NO. WHY? BECAUSE I'M NOT IN HIS $#@!ING BUSINESS, THAT'S WHY.

DOES HE POSE A THREAT TO ANYONE? MAYBE. MOST LIKELY, THE SAME PEOPLE WITH THE SAME MINDSET WHO THINK THEY NEED TO BE IN HIS BUSINESS, ALSO THINK THEY NEED TO BE IN MY BUSINESS. WHY? I DON'T KNOW, DON'T CARE. MINDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS IS A VERY EASY THING TO DO, AND MOST OF US DO IT EVERY $#@!ING DAY. (sry, rant over)

[Revolution9]

Yep. Not running over cop cars is now "being completely subservient and non-combative."

How many has Ron run over, I wonder...

Did he ever get incarcerated for growing or smoking a plant?

Rev9

[TheTexan]

One person commits physical violence on another for no legitimate reason and this is considered "wrong, but acceptable"

One person does damage to the means of doing this physical violence and he's berated as a loon.

To the people in this thread who hold the above opinions, YOU are responsible for the tyranny of today. YOU are the reason why Roger Pion is in this position to begin with. It's because of cowards like YOU who not only won't stand up for your own rights, but belittle those who do, that tyranny is allowed to persist.

[qh4dotcom]

What else is he doing for liberty besides running a tractor over cop cars?

Sure the war on drugs needs to end....but the war on drugs could also end if people were to quit their nasty habits.

[MJU1983]

What else is he doing for liberty besides running a tractor over cop cars?

Sure the war on drugs needs to end....but the war on drugs could also end if people were to quit their nasty habits.

LIBERTY.

An angry Ron Paul would like to remind you that we don't have a first amendment so we can talk about the weather!

[Revolution9]

Not my money.

He won't raise 50,000 and who knows what the chipin person will do with the remainder of the cash.

You really wish he wouldn't . You want to make sure he is punished for his apparent impunity towards those who do not have authority under God to intervene in his life and steal his time and property.Of course in my eyes this makes you exactly what i always deemed you as. Someone yapping out both sides of their mouths like a devil does. You have serious issue when it comes to your humanity. You are in no stable condition to mete judgement out on anybody as it will be jaundiced and with much prejudice.

This issue is a God versus the Devil issue at it's core. The devil wants you to think that his way of edict and enforcement is God's way.

A story from my family background. The Bullstrodes brought up my paternal grandmother. They got their name way back when the Romans and one of their proxy kings tried to jackboot the landowner and his serfs who held much loyalty to the landowner for his fair treatment and respect of the serfs. The Romans came in and started hurting these people, arresting them and usurping their land holdings. The landowner family got their trained bulls and rode them at dusk nightly into the marauders camps totally trashing their armories and turning their camps upside down and goring more than a few enemies in the rout. The King eventually sent word to the family for a truce and they rode to the Tower of London on seven bulls and negotiated a pact that stated that if anybody attacked England this clan and their loyalists would assist the King in routing the invaders. They then rode their bulls back and never had a hassle from the crown. There is wisdom in the trashing of the enemies camp. They understand the nature of the conflict and their place in it.

Rev9

[Revolution9]

Someone gets it.

Yeah.. He has been getting it..good and hard for a long time and wants everybody else to experience his perverse joy. i ain't signing on thanks.

Rev9

[TheTexan]

What else is he doing for liberty besides running a tractor over cop cars?

Sure the war on drugs needs to end....but the war on drugs could also end if people were to quit their nasty habits.

Did you seriously just imply that we should end the war on drugs by allowing tyranny to win?

Not to mention that what you just mentioned is literally impossible. In the history of man, there has always been a demand for substances to abuse. And where there is demand, that is supply. Also, for the vast majority of human history, man could smoke a plant in peace. Only recently has it been determined that smoking a plant is cause for getting thrown in a rape cage.

So yes... basically, I'm going to pull a Giuliani right here and ask you to take it back and say "you didn't really mean it," because no offense intended, that's one of the dumbest $#@!ing things I've ever read, and I just finished reading that The_Honorable_Doug thread, and yours takes the cake

[Revolution9]

What else is he doing for liberty besides running a tractor over cop cars?

Sure the war on drugs needs to end....but the war on drugs could also end if people were to quit their nasty habits.

I agree and threw my TV out years ago. If everyone else would follow my lead we wouldn't have this filthy habit that skews the minds of mortals with agitprop and anti-human trash opinion.

Rev9