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    Socialistic Latinos Could Turn Texas Blue

    Wait for it. This has nothing to do with freedom. It's about living at other's expense. You cannot appease young Bolsheviks, especially those driven by ethnic identity.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018...iasm-holds-say

    A survey released last month by Jolt Initiative, a Texas Latino issues think tank, found that younger Latinos in Texas prioritize health care for all, immigration reform and social justice issues above most issues. Almost a third openly identify as Democrats, though most are independent.
    White boomers brought the country to it's knees and now the Latinos will finish the job.
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    Two years ago I was for open immigration. This kind of stuff makes me less in favor in Mexican immigration.

    I am not even sure on the straight economics of immigration anymore. The gains to economy are super small, a fraction of a percent of GDP per year and all those gains go to shareholders and management with clear losers.

    This Harvard labor economist makes a pretty solid logical, data driven case that low skill immigration hurts people with high school educations substantially. And as the economy becomes more automated, there really isn't a compelling case for more skill workers. He breaks down the numbers that are typically used in the media in favor of immigration. The economics of high levels of immigration are just not that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Two years ago I was for open immigration. This kind of stuff makes me less in favor in Mexican immigration.

    I am not even sure on the straight economics of immigration anymore. The gains to economy are super small, a fraction of a percent of GDP per year and all those gains go to shareholders and management with clear losers.

    This Harvard labor economist makes a pretty solid logical, data driven case that low skill immigration hurts people with high school educations substantially. And as the economy becomes more automated, there really isn't a compelling case for more skill workers. He breaks down the numbers that are typically used in the media in favor of immigration. The economics of high levels of immigration are just not that great.

    Liberty is more important than money, many "libertarians" forget that, they also forget that if you sacrifice liberty for money you will lose both in the end.

    "We have socialists here already" they shout and I reply "Then why do you want to let them import more?".

    It has been proven for quite some time that it is even harder to convert someone to liberty who was raised in socialism than it is to convert someone raised in America where we still have some lip service given to liberty and a large portion of the populace that opposes socialism.
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    In Nebraska, we passed a medicaid expansion ballot bill even though the voters also voted for all republican senators and representatives back to Washington. The idea of a universal healthcare or expansion of the social healthcare we have right now is not just happening mainly because of hispanics, the idea has gained popularity with the complete ineptitude of the conservatives in Washington and the fact that demcrats are the ones actually doing something about it(good or bad).

    Heck, even Trump spoke favorably of universal healthcare before he started pretending to be a republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    In Nebraska, we passed a medicaid expansion ballot bill even though the voters also voted for all republican senators and representatives back to Washington. The idea of a universal healthcare or expansion of the social healthcare we have right now is not just happening mainly because of hispanics, the idea has gained popularity with the complete ineptitude of the conservatives in Washington and the fact that demcrats are the ones actually doing something about it(good or bad).

    Heck, even Trump spoke favorably of universal healthcare before he started pretending to be a republican.
    Let's just keep adding more straws to the camel's back then.
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    Told ya.
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    Dear Latinos,

    You can have the country and all the programs about to go into default.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Told ya.
    We're done. I think I'm about to go underground and wait for the great cataclysm. Let the dependents eat each other over the shrinking pie. Maybe they'll kill each other off.



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    Someone explain to me how these morons are going to achieve single payer when both Medicaid and S.S. will be insolvent in the next 15 years?

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    Texas better stay red or The Texan will be disappointed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Someone explain to me how these morons are going to achieve single payer when both Medicaid and S.S. will be insolvent in the next 15 years?
    Makes no difference . They are not smart enough to care . I just buy more ammo .
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Someone explain to me how these morons are going to achieve single payer when both Medicaid and S.S. will be insolvent in the next 15 years?
    But the government will pay for it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Socialistic Latinos Could Turn Texas Blue

    Wait for it. This has nothing to do with freedom. It's about living at other's expense. You cannot appease young Bolsheviks, especially those driven by ethnic identity.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018...iasm-holds-say

    White boomers brought the country to it's knees and now the Latinos will finish the job.
    And right-wing Latinos might keep Texas red. You never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And right-wing Latinos might keep Texas red. You never know.
    We live in hope, let me know when more of them vote red than blue.

    Then let me know whether it is 1st and second generation citizens or hispanics whose families have been here longer who are voting red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And right-wing Latinos might keep Texas red. You never know.
    Highly doubtful, given how slow the conversion process is. Some of the numbers could turn by the third generation, but that was tested against a semi-capitalistic system before the full spectrum dominance by the Reds.

    Somebody shut off the lights. At some point, you step aside and let the people have their own personal hell. Like I said, the white boomers got the ball rolling and these folks will usher in the final phase of pain, since they don't know any better. Desperate people are the ultimate marks for our globalist overlords.
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    The several thousand Central American asylum seekers and migrants who are slowly making their way toward the U.S. border may be unusual because of the size of their group, but their desire to come to the U.S. is not. They actually represent a relatively small fragment of a much larger group of people in their own region -- and around the world -- who say they would like to move to the U.S. if they could.

    In Gallup's most recent global estimate, between 2015 and 2017, 15% of the world's adults - more than 750 million people - said they would like to move to another country permanently if they could. In Central America, this percentage is one in three (33%), or about 10 million adults.
    Three percent of the world's adults -- or nearly 160 million people -- say they would like to move to the U.S. This includes 16% of adults from Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Panama and Costa Rica, which translates into nearly 5 million people.



    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ferent-country

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    Listen to the message. Let's hope the meteor of death arrives early.

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    And if people didn't immigrate to the US, all of our social assistance programs would A-OK then, right?

    We're talking less than 20% of the population, only about 40% will vote, and about 33% of that vote usually goes republican (the party that hasn't given us any huge government programs much less expanded them).

    So this is really just an issue against welfare - YES!!!! We're all on the same page

    So why is this getting blamed on immigration - isn't that what most of us view as a LIBERTY, not to mention economically beneficial?..........and hasn't net immigration been at zero and trending negative for a few years now? So are we really blaming our social programs being drained on that????? Didn't republicans just have the executive + congress for 2 years? Congrats to them for CONTINUING to make immigration the scapegoat, while CONTINUING to do nothing about this welfare state that we're all supposedly so worked up over....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    And if people didn't immigrate to the US, all of our social assistance programs would A-OK then, right?

    We're talking less than 20% of the population, only about 40% will vote, and about 33% of that vote usually goes republican (the party that hasn't given us any huge government programs much less expanded them).

    So this is really just an issue against welfare - YES!!!! We're all on the same page

    So why is this getting blamed on immigration - isn't that what most of us view as a LIBERTY, not to mention economically beneficial?..........and hasn't net immigration been at zero and trending negative for a few years now? So are we really blaming our social programs being drained on that????? Didn't republicans just have the executive + congress for 2 years? Congrats to them for CONTINUING to make immigration the scapegoat, while CONTINUING to do nothing about this welfare state that we're all supposedly so worked up over....
    Are you familiar with the concept of "the last straw"?

    Once you realize that RINOs like McCain don't count you realize that Republicans didn't republicans just have the executive + congress for 2 years, McCain wouldn't even let them repeal O'Bummercare, how were they supposed to cut anything else?
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    Texas will never be blue, while I'm still alive to vote
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    Actually, what is the political struggle that we witness? It is the instinctive struggle of all people toward liberty. And what is this liberty, whose very name makes the heart beat faster and shakes the world? Is it not the union of all liberties — liberty of conscience, of education, of association, of the press, of travel, of labor, of trade? In short, is not liberty the freedom of every person to make full use of his faculties, so long as he does not harm other persons while doing so? - Frederic Bastiat The Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Actually, what is the political struggle that we witness? It is the instinctive struggle of all people toward liberty. And what is this liberty, whose very name makes the heart beat faster and shakes the world? Is it not the union of all liberties — liberty of conscience, of education, of association, of the press, of travel, of labor, of trade? In short, is not liberty the freedom of every person to make full use of his faculties, so long as he does not harm other persons while doing so? - Frederic Bastiat The Law

    The irony of gadsden flag waving folks fighting against drug legalization and such is the same irony in which yall exclude the concept of liberty to those outside the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Protecting ourselves from communists does nothing to deny them liberty in their countries, they do that to themselves without our help.
    lolwut? I'm talking about THE concept of Liberty & how, in a libertarian worldview, the concept isn't just for people who live in the US, but that all people have a right to be free. Does that make sense? I'm not saying its the US's job to make sure of that. I'm just saying it's ironic how we (as US citizens) can cry like babies (and rightly so) when our freedoms are infringed, but then want to put all these huge governmental barriers in place that infringe upon another man's liberties like travel, trade, and labor. That's Nationalism.

    But again, in regards to the OP, its an issue with the welfare state. I get it. I'm with you. But I just can't see how all of this all of the time in every thread turns into an immigration issue, and so many are not taking a libertarian stance on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    lolwut? I'm talking about THE concept of Liberty & how, in a libertarian worldview, the concept isn't just for people who live in the US, but that all people have a right to be free. Does that make sense? I'm not saying its the US's job to make sure of that. I'm just saying it's ironic how we (as US citizens) can cry like babies (and rightly so) when our freedoms are infringed, but then want to put all these huge governmental barriers in place that infringe upon another man's liberties like travel, trade, and labor. That's Nationalism.

    But again, in regards to the OP, its an issue with the welfare state. I get it. I'm with you. But I just can't see how all of this all of the time in every thread turns into an immigration issue, and so many are not taking a libertarian stance on that.
    There is no single libertarian stance on the border, Ron Paul may be too soft on the border but even he says we should have one and that the feds should enforce it.

    You can't have a libertarian society without a border, the libertarian society would produce wealth in copious amounts and socialists from all over the world would flock to it and turn it into a socialist hellhole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is no single libertarian stance on the border, Ron Paul may be too soft on the border but even he says we should have one and that the feds should enforce it.

    You can't have a libertarian society without a border, the libertarian society would produce wealth in copious amounts and socialists from all over the world would flock to it and turn it into a socialist hellhole.
    Which brings me back to the OP - the headline highlights how young latinos want "healthcare for all, immigration reform, and social justice issues." Well Hell, what's wrong with wanting immigration reform? doesn't everyone want that? I know we all have different versions of what we think works, but who in the hell thinks this works? Have you ever been through it???? Its effed a million times over.

    So yes, duh, libertarians like borders, but they like them open. And who says that just because they're open, that you can't have it secure? And who says that if folks travel/work in someplace, that somehow that demands immediate citizenship & enfranchisement & entitlements in that place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Which brings me back to the OP - the headline highlights how young latinos want "healthcare for all, immigration reform, and social justice issues." Well Hell, what's wrong with wanting immigration reform? doesn't everyone want that? I know we all have different versions of what we think works, but who in the hell thinks this works? Have you ever been through it???? Its effed a million times over.
    When the left says "immigration reform" they mean amnesty and a fast track to citizenship.

    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    So yes, duh, libertarians like borders, but they like them open. And who says that just because their open, and folks travel/work in someplace, that somehow that demands immediate citizenship & enfranchisement & entitlements in that place?
    Once you allow people to come in unlimited numbers you can't make sure they leave when they are supposed to without a huge police state, if you allow them to stay forever then you will have a problem whether you have birthright citizenship or not, if you do then their children will vote socialist because their parents will raise them to do so, political assimilation takes multiple generations, if you don't have birthright citizenship but foreigners can stay for as long as they like then you will develop an underclass of non-citizens who will resent their status and agitate for citizenship, if they get it they will reflexively oppose the libertarian regime and if they don't they are likely to start an armed uprising which will probably turn into a communist revolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    When the left says "immigration reform" they mean amnesty and a fast track to citizenship.


    Once you allow people to come in unlimited numbers you can't make sure they leave when they are supposed to without a huge police state, if you allow them to stay forever then you will have a problem whether you have birthright citizenship or not, if you do then their children will vote socialist because their parents will raise them to do so, political assimilation takes multiple generations, if you don't have birthright citizenship but foreigners can stay for as long as they like then you will develop an underclass of non-citizens who will resent their status and agitate for citizenship, if they get it they will reflexively oppose the libertarian regime and if they don't they are likely to start an armed uprising which will probably turn into a communist revolution.
    Who says that they'd never become citizens?

    So your big issue that I've seen across various threads is that we can't have open borders because ultimately they could vote.

    O boy we'd never control congress + the executive. And Rs accomplish so much in those times, so our chance to accomplish all we accomplish when we have that control would be jeopardized.

    So man, I feel like you get deep in these weird situationals and are not as bound to libertarian platforms because you feel you've got to get some sort of leg up partisan-wise....instead of looking at it as an idea or concept & filtering things through an ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Who says that they'd never become citizens?

    So your big issue that I've seen across various threads is that we can't have open borders because ultimately they could vote.

    O boy we'd never control congress + the executive. And Rs accomplish so much in those times, so our chance to accomplish all we accomplish when we have that control would be jeopardized.

    So man, I feel like you get deep in these weird situationals and are not as bound to libertarian platforms because you feel you've got to get some sort of leg up partisan-wise....instead of looking at it as an idea or concept & filtering things through an ideology.
    If libertarians don't maintain control of a nation's politics what good does their ideology do them?

    Political control is THE determinant of what happens in the world.

    If you would be happy as a "pure" libertarian in the USSR because at least you were "pure" enough to let the communists in to your country then I don't know what to say.
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    Do a quick search for "Cloward Piven Strategy". Basically what it means is to collapse a society by overloading its welfare support systems.
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    Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute has been writing for years about what she calls the GOP’s “Hispanic Delusion.”
    As she explained in 2012, changing its position on immigration won’t help the GOP win Hispanics votes, for the simple reason that much more than just immigration separates most Hispanic voters from the Republicans' professed beliefs. “If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority,” Mac Donald said. “It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.”
    GOP economic policies, she reported in National Review, citing a recent poll, “were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican Party on class-warfare grounds — ‘it favors only the rich’; ‘Republicans are selfish and out for themselves’; ‘Republicans don’t represent the average person’ — compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.”
    Another myth is that most Hispanics share the GOP’s professed undersanding of “family values.” “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” a top Hispanic marketing expert told Mac Donald. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”
    And why is that? Mac Donald explained that “U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households.”
    The data are similar in Texas.


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