Do We Hear Any Talk of Rebellion Yet?

[Contumacious]

Rebellion, secession, overthrow. Any one of those would be pretty good idea right now.

You are on the right track .

[kahless]

No. I meant it as I said it. There was no hiding. I literally said 2019. And explained why 2020 got worse and will soon be better. It wouldn't have made sense to say it any other way. It was kind of the whole point of the post.

It isn't a matter of my moral character being corrupted. I have no confidence whatsoever that whatever kind of government you would prefer would be better than the status quo. The reality is the American Dream still exists and anyone who wants to carve out a niche and attain success however they define it can do so in the United States. I have no confidence that any group of people capable of overthrowing the government would be people interested in freedom. Ultimately people like you are a nihilists who just like to destroy and have no interest in freedom.

More like the American dream still exists for a minority of Americans.

Here is why.

1. Peoples lives have been financially destroyed due to the locks down and for many there is no coming back from that. The Communist Democrats are celebrating this since they have never been able to get sufficient control over small and medium business. Now they do not need to as the great consolidation of businesses to the elites for which they already have control and/or they do not need control since the elites and them are cut from the same cloth. It is near impossible to compete with the Billionaire elites monopolies and will be worse due to the 2020 consolidation.

2. Growing authoritarian police state and pervasive money grubbing authoritarian government officials at all levels against anyone that ends up on their radar for any reason or maybe no reason, just power, money or personal grudge. There is no rule of law or any sense of decency with these people. Of course part of this is doing the bidding of the Billionaire elites, which brings me to #3.

3. The Billionaire elites do not like competition and try to rule America like royalty above the rule of law in the actions against Americans. These are hateful, violent, vindictive and moral degenerates that get off destroying peoples lives and growing their wealth regardless of the consequences to the country. Hired by the elites they are celebrated by another sick and twisted group of people, the news media.

I could go on. If in anyway you ended up close to any of these points there is no where to hide. The war is going on already and these demons are winning.

With inaction the country is basically lost.

[Anti Globalist]

Actually all three of those are horrifically bad options. America is still pretty great. This year is a small blip in the larger history of the country. All three of those options would require a huge price and the likelihood is whatever arises would be terrible.

As Hayek would say moving toward freedom and away from freedom are gradual processes. The status quo evolves from course corrections and throwing it away completely almost never works. Virtually all revolutions in world history except the American one were disasters.

You clearly don't understand how dire the situation is. Peoples businesses and livelihoods were destroyed over a virus with a 99% survival rating. Ask those people if they still think the American dream exists. I thought all this coronavirus bullsht would be done and over with by now regardless of the results, but it looks like the Democrats are doubling down on all of it. Bill Gates is suggesting we lock down and social distance until 2022. Democrats spent the entire year changing the goalposts while brazenly and openly defying their own coronavirus rules and policies. Biden is saying he'll implement a 100 day mask mandate which he will obviously change to 200 days and then for the whole year. Democrats successfully stole an election in which they will have no qualms whatsoever cheating in all future elections from here on out. Hell, they're even talking about openly doing mail in voting in all future elections because the "turn out" was so high and getting rid of the electoral college effectively destroying any chance a Republican candidate has. Regardless of whether or not you think these things won't happen, theres no denying that the chances of these things happening have increased by a significant margin. Unless people wise up and start fighting back, the policies that have been implemented this whole year will be permanent. If you think our political overlords are going to cut us a break and let us go back to living normal lives, you're delusional.

[Philhelm]

Meanwhile, the so-called "liberty movement" "heroically" argues over the efficacy of wearing masks and the minutia regarding disease statistics, and complains about the election being stolen from the guy under whose watch this medico-fascist tyranny was erected.

If Trump did something to prevent the state governors from initiating lockdowns, people would have bitched about that too. Let's be honest.

[Invisible Man]

If Trump did something to prevent the state governors from initiating lockdowns, people would have bitched about that too. Let's be honest.

It's not merely that he refrained from preventing them. Those governors acted under his guidance, with his signed approval of their emergency orders, supported by funding he provided. And when some tried to open their states up sooner than he wanted them to, he publicly condemned them for it.

[kahless]

It's not merely that he refrained from preventing them. Those governors acted under his guidance, with his signed approval of their emergency orders, supported by funding he provided. And when some tried to open their states up sooner than he wanted them to, he publicly condemned them for it.

Exactly. To add insult to injury he then takes credit for how great the stock market is doing ignoring it was at the sacrifice and destruction of small/medium business due to the lock downs.

[jmdrake]

No. I meant it as I said it. There was no hiding. I literally said 2019. And explained why 2020 got worse and will soon be better. It wouldn't have made sense to say it any other way. It was kind of the whole point of the post.

How are things going to get better? Because Papa Fauci announced he'll allow herd immunity to be considered science again in late spring 2021? They are pushing the American people to engage in a risky science experiment where we all become genetically modified organism. People who will spend $10 at Whole Foods to buy a tomato that isn't gene spliced but are about to gene splice their children. All over a disease who's creation Papa Fauci may have helped fund. And what's sad? Trump isn't the savior because he totally enabled Papa Fauci.

It isn't a matter of my moral character being corrupted. I have no confidence whatsoever that whatever kind of government you would prefer would be better than the status quo. The reality is the American Dream still exists and anyone who wants to carve out a niche and attain success however they define it can do so in the United States. I have no confidence that any group of people capable of overthrowing the government would be people interested in freedom. Ultimately people like you are a nihilists who just like to destroy and have no interest in freedom.

Well yeah. A Trump military take over isn't preferable to me. That's where I disagree with @BSWPaulsen's side. (I don't know if he specifically advocated that but I know others have). Trump has gone along with this nonsense. So he can't be the solution. That said the election fraud is real, the shutdown was unnecessary, and the vaccine push is troubling and the "new normal" is unacceptable.

[jmdrake]

It is precisely this kind of hyper passivity that inevitably leads to " a boot stamping on a human face - forever," and "piety" often serves as a convenient mask for something very different.

You are entitled, sir, to your opinion and may you always be free to express same. However, if you do happen to be so fortunate, it will be because of those having the manly fortitude to stand up and shout "NO MORE!" to the tyrants, not those who passively obey when told to stand in the corner and starve themselves and their families untill told to do otherwise.

The approach I described has already been tested and proven valid by Jesus, and again countless times by his followers.

The most the powers can do to you is kill you. And if they expend every weapon they have to the point of even killing you, and you still will not bow, as if to say to them, "Is that all you've got?" they lose. They have nothing left. And because those who are in Christ are also united with him in his resurrection, they win, and ask Death, "Where is your sting?"

This presupposes that Jesus did rise from the dead. But if he did not, then all is vain anyway, and freedom is no better than slavery.

Furthermore, your approach has also been tested, with a 100% failure rate. Revolutions that overthrow regimes using the state's own violent tools against it always result in the formation of a new state, where the tyranny remains, but has only changed hands.

If tyranny itself is what we oppose, then we can't just insist on not being slaves, we must also insist on not being masters.

Y'all are talking past each other. Look at the revolutions that have been successful. Hearts and minds have to be won before resistance of arms can really be effective.

[Invisible Man]

Exactly. To add insult to injury he then takes credit for how great the stock market is doing ignoring it was at the sacrifice and destruction of small/medium business due to the lock downs.

And it's worth adding that the promise of an imminent vaccine, thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed, is essential to making all these lockdown orders, school closures, etc., possible.

[BSWPaulsen]

Well yeah. A Trump military take over isn't preferable to me. That's where I disagree with @BSWPaulsen's side. (I don't know if he specifically advocated that but I know others have). Trump has gone along with this nonsense. So he can't be the solution. That said the election fraud is real, the shutdown was unnecessary, and the vaccine push is troubling and the "new normal" is unacceptable.

I do not endorse a military takeover. The farthest I have gone is equivocating it with voter fraud as being a means of killing a republic.

[Invisible Man]

Y'all are talking past each other. Look at the revolutions that have been successful. Hearts and minds have to be won before resistance of arms can really be effective.

I agree with you.

But I also believe that the task of changing minds can only ever be done nonviolently. Often, especially in the cases that matter most, that means that those on the side of right endure persecution, and let the tyrants put their wickedness on display while their victims go out of their way to stay above reproach and let the world see that their suffering is not as evildoers.

When you try to beat the other side by violence until they cry uncle, as I think many here fantasize about doing to "the left," it only breeds resentment, and the only victories possible are fleeting and pyrrhic, since a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

[pcosmar]

Do you seek victory over the powers?

No..

I seek to oppose them..
I became a Believer in a Jail Cell.. There for my own crimes.

I was Baptized in The Missouri State Penitentiary,, 40 years ago.
I fought off a sexual assault ,,physically..

Do you believe that I should have allowed myself to be sodomized?

Should I allow my wife to be beaten? My Neighbor attacked,,when it is in my hand to stop it?

I dislike Violence, but do recognize that it is a reality of the world I live in. Blizzards,Hurricanes,Tornadoes,, and the Food we Eat..
Violence is the Rule and Reality.

Living in Peace is a Choice.. as is Defending that Peace.
I trusi God to guide my Hand. Whatever I put it to.

[Contumacious]

I agree with you.

But I also believe that the task of changing minds can only ever be done nonviolently. Often, especially in the cases that matter most, that means that those on the side of right endure persecution, and let the tyrants put their wickedness on display while their victims go out of their way to stay above reproach and let the world see that their suffering is not as evildoers.

When you try to beat the other side by violence until they cry uncle, as I think many here fantasize about doing to "the left," it only breeds resentment, and the only victories possible are fleeting and pyrrhic, since a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

The right to self defense - to stand my ground - has nothing to do with trying to persuade the criminal - we are trying to set boundaries.

Unfortunately , the socialists believe that there are no property rights and no boundaries .


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[Matt4Liberty]

They are pushing the American people to engage in a risky science experiment where we all become genetically modified organism. People who will spend $10 at Whole Foods to buy a tomato that isn't gene spliced but are about to gene splice their children. All over a disease who's creation Papa Fauci may have helped fund.

This is a great point that should be pushed more.

[jmdrake]

If Trump did something to prevent the state governors from initiating lockdowns, people would have bitched about that too. Let's be honest.

Here's what Jesus has to say about that.

Revelation 3:15-16
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!

So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.


Trump not only kept Fauci in place, he tweeted AGAINST the governor of Georgia for opening up "too early."

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/trump-...opening-state/

At the very least he could have helped by doing nothing. At best he could have been proactive. Who care about people "bitching." That's going to happen regardless.

It's not merely that he refrained from preventing them. Those governors acted under his guidance, with his signed approval of their emergency orders, supported by funding he provided. And when some tried to open their states up sooner than he wanted them to, he publicly condemned them for it.

^This

[Danke]

I reported all of you.

[XNavyNuke]

I reported all of you.

Can you arrange so that I board the cattle car before Monday? I really don't want to go to work and would love the vacation.

XNN

[Danke]

Can you arrange so that I board the cattle car before Monday? I really don't want to go to work and would love the vacation.

XNN

'

You are on double suspension report.

[XNavyNuke]

'

You are on double suspension report.

Does that move me to the front of the line or not?

XNN

[dannno]

Here's what Jesus has to say about that.

Revelation 3:15-16
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!

So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.


Trump not only kept Fauci in place, he tweeted AGAINST the governor of Georgia for opening up "too early."

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/trump-...opening-state/

At the very least he could have helped by doing nothing. At best he could have been proactive. Who care about people "bitching." That's going to happen regardless.



^This

This is all fake news.

Fauci had no power, he was just an advisor. Trump likes having people he disagrees with to help make informed decisions. He was also re-tweeting calls to have Fauci fired.

Trump was always for re-opening. Almost every word out of his mouth was about re-opening. He only tweeted against The Governor, who turns out stole his election using Dominion voting machines, then turned them against Trump, and is a China stooge, for re-opening tattoo parlors and hair salons rather than easing back in.

[Danke]

Does that move me to the front of the line or not?


XNN

laugh it bus boy. laugh it up.

[Anti Globalist]

Why would anybody believe that a revolution is about to take place? Last I checked people didn't rebel when the income tax and the Federal Reserve was created.

[acptulsa]

Why would anybody believe that a revolution is about to take place?

Because that's the pacifier Politico stuck in the mouths of Republicans to keep them from objecting to the tool Trump stuck up their asses.

[jmdrake]

This is all fake news.

Fauci had no power, he was just an advisor. Trump likes having people he disagrees with to help make informed decisions. He was also re-tweeting calls to have Fauci fired.

You are the walking epitome of fake news. Punk a$$ Trump tweeted about firing Fauci forever and never did. Fauci funded the Wuhan virus research. Fauci's power is in his influence. At that's why punk a$$ Trump repeatedly tweeted about firing him but never did.

Trump was always for re-opening. Almost every word out of his mouth was about re-opening. He only tweeted against The Governor, who turns out stole his election using Dominion voting machines, then turned them against Trump, and is a China stooge, for re-opening tattoo parlors and hair salons rather than easing back in.

Yeah...but the tweet attacking the governor of Georgia for not opening up happened before the Dominion issue. Trump doesn't have a time machine.

[dannno]

Trump doesn't have a time machine.

https://www.plymouth.edu/theclock/pr...piracy-theory/

[jmdrake]

https://www.plymouth.edu/theclock/pr...piracy-theory/

And you are probably loopy enough to believe that.

[dannno]

And you are probably loopy enough to believe that.

Believe what? That the book exists and the details are accurate?

[pcosmar]

happened before the Dominion issue

The Dominion issue was known Months before the Election..

It was only shown later. The Cheat was tracked in real time as it happened.

so when was "before the Dominion Issue"? (2006?)

[jmdrake]

The Dominion issue was known Months before the Election..

It was only shown later. The Cheat was tracked in real time as it happened.

so when was "before the Dominion Issue"? (2006?)

It was unknown that Georgia was going to go Biden. Yes it was known that Dominion had problems. That's irrelevant to the point. I can't believe you're buying this crap.

[jmdrake]

Believe what? That the book exists and the details are accurate?

Like I said. You are loopy enough to believe that Trump is a time traveling savior.