Is Obamacare finished?

[Carlybee]

Unfortunately Congress is still a bunch of corporatists. Health insurance was steadily climbing before Obamacare so market competition was more like market collusion.

[Ender]

What about medicare and medicaid? Those 2 account for 60% plus of medical spending in this country.

Ron Paul never accepted them.

[Superfluous Man]

Trump wants to replace Obamacare with something more socialist.

The question is what kind of thing Trump and the House and Senate will all be able to agree on enough to get passed. Chances are it won't be an improvement.

[hells_unicorn]

Can you offer examples?

Obama's presidency? You know, the guy you sound like you supported?

[Dr.3D]

How about if we just get government out of the medical business?

Prices would become affordable & medical care would become better.

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

[Jamesiv1]

LibertyCare is not Drumpf style. How about AmeriCare?

TremendousCare

uuuuuugeCare

NotATotalDisasterCare

[Sola_Fide]

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

Obamacare is going nowhere. Mark my words.

[MelissaWV]

I wish it would vanish, myself. Medicare and Medicaid are problematic, but putting them in the same bucket is disingenuous. Medicare is a benefit that people have been taxed for, and even Dr. Paul would not instantly cut it off and confiscate benefits for people who've paid in. Medicaid is meant as a safety net and is funded differently.

It's interesting we've gotten to the second page and people are arguing about removing Obamacare via Executive Order. There is a better path to removal or modification, which is to take pieces out the same way they were slipped in. I believe there's a job opening on the USSC....

[Ender]

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

Absolutely.

[Ender]

I wish it would vanish, myself. Medicare and Medicaid are problematic, but putting them in the same bucket is disingenuous. Medicare is a benefit that people have been taxed for, and even Dr. Paul would not instantly cut it off and confiscate benefits for people who've paid in. Medicaid is meant as a safety net and is funded differently.

It's interesting we've gotten to the second page and people are arguing about removing Obamacare via Executive Order. There is a better path to removal or modification, which is to take pieces out the same way they were slipped in. I believe there's a job opening on the USSC....

Ron Paul, the REAL Libertarian:

Eventually Paul got so busy he took on a partner. Jack Pruett, who was then fresh out of his obstetrics/gynecology residency, says when he first sat down in Paul's office, he was told there were two stipulations he would have to agree to before joining the practice.

"He said, 'No. 1 is we will not perform any abortions.' And I said, 'That's fine; I can live with that. What's No. 2?' " he remembers.

No. 2, says Pruett, was that the practice would not participate in any federal health programs, which meant, as Paul described it, "that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we're not going to charge them and accept federal funds."

Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. "But I liked Ron, so I decided that I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn't charge them."

Of course, Lake Jackson being a small town, occasionally Paul would get paid in other ways.

"Some of the people would bring chickens, or they would bring vegetables from their garden if they couldn't afford to pay for their obstetrical fee," recalls Richard Hardoin, a pediatrician who used to care for the babies Paul delivered.

http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653...livered-babies

[MelissaWV]

Ron Paul, the REAL Libertarian:



http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653...livered-babies

That's him, personally, making a choice (which providers can still make). The question of ending Medicare and Medicaid extends to stopping the confiscation of funds from workers to pay for it, and stopping distribution of those funds to those who are collecting it. Ron was not a fan of doing the latter part cold turkey.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, I would like to see it repealed and replaced with nothing.

Trump still wants to keep parts of it and somehow make sure that everybody has coverage. National program?

https://www.greatagain.gov/policy/healthcare.html

It is clear to any objective observer that the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which has resulted in rapidly rising premiums and deductibles, narrow networks, and health insurance, has not been a success. A Trump Administration will work with Congress to repeal the ACA and replace it with a solution that includes Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), and returns the historic role in regulating health insurance to the States. The Administration’s goal will be to create a patient-centered healthcare system that promotes choice, quality and affordability with health insurance and healthcare, and take any needed action to alleviate the burdens imposed on American families and businesses by the law.

To maximize choice and create a dynamic market for health insurance, the Administration will work with Congress to enable people to purchase insurance across state lines. The Administration also will work with both Congress and the States to re-establish high-risk pools – a proven approach to ensuring access to health insurance coverage for individuals who have significant medical expenses and who have not maintained continuous coverage.

The Administration recognizes that the problems with the U.S. health care system did not begin with – and will not end with the repeal of – the ACA. With the assistance of Congress and working with the States, as appropriate, the Administration will act to:

Protect individual conscience in healthcare

Protect innocent human life from conception to natural death, including the most defenseless and those Americans with disabilities

Advance research and development in healthcare

Reform the Food and Drug Administration, to put greater focus on the need of patients for new and innovative medical products

Modernize Medicare, so that it will be ready for the challenges with the coming retirement of the Baby Boom generation – and beyond

Maximize flexibility for States in administering Medicaid, to enable States to experiment with innovative methods to deliver healthcare to our low-income citizens

One thing he suggested in the past was making health insurance costs tax deductable which means taxpayer subsidies.

[Zippyjuan]

Obama's presidency? You know, the guy you sound like you supported?

Yes, which congressionally enacted bills did he void out by using an executive order?

[enhanced_deficit]

It's doomed. Easy to guess looking at what just happened to the embracers.

[hells_unicorn]

Yes, which congressionally enacted bills did he void out by using an executive order?

The original definitions of the EPA's authority, for one. Every immigration bill ever passed in history that didn't allow for what his executive orders enacted. American participation in Libya and covertly in Syria and Yemen. How does a president make war without any kind of legitimate or even illegitimate congressional consent and not be a dictator that is voiding congress' entire authority on declaring war?

Lay off the democrat apologist kool-ade, you are feeding in to the misconception that libertarians are simply kooky progressives in disguise.

[Ender]

The original definitions of the EPA's authority, for one. Every immigration bill ever passed in history that didn't allow for what his executive orders enacted. American participation in Libya and covertly in Syria and Yemen. How does a president make war without any kind of legitimate or even illegitimate congressional consent and not be a dictator that is voiding congress' entire authority on declaring war?

Lay off the democrat apologist kool-ade, you are feeding in to the misconception that libertarians are simply kooky progressives in disguise.

Congress has not officially declared war since WWII. All wars since then have been unconstitutional.

[Zippyjuan]

The original definitions of the EPA's authority, for one. Every immigration bill ever passed in history that didn't allow for what his executive orders enacted. American participation in Libya and covertly in Syria and Yemen. How does a president make war without any kind of legitimate or even illegitimate congressional consent and not be a dictator that is voiding congress' entire authority on declaring war?

Lay off the democrat apologist kool-ade, you are feeding in to the misconception that libertarians are simply kooky progressives in disguise.

He wrote Executive Orders saying he was going to attack Libya and Syria and Yemen? Link? What about his executive order changing the law on the EPA? Link for that?

[Noob]

Looks like a repeal of all Obamacare expect 2 parts, pre existing conditions and keeping kids on their parents health care plan.

[CPUd]

Looks like a repeal of all Obamacare expect 2 parts, pre existing conditions and keeping kids on their parents health care plan.

That's what opens the door for the "replace".

[pcosmar]

That's what opens the door for the "replace".

"Remove and replace" has been a GOP mantra.

Expect some modified Romney Care.

Only a shifting of profit margins will change.

[bunklocoempire]

Now Drumpf is in with GOP house and Senate the veto pen is going to get stored. Read that Obama care is finished. My prediction is there will be some Hybrid type thing come out to replace it.

Poor get the Medicaid crappy care while insurance is more open and competitive going national like car insurance for those that can afford premiums. Low Single payer costs for all but high deductibles.

Do Republicans even have to act like Republicans? A great disturbance in the schwartz, I fear.

[oyarde]

Yes, it will be repealed and replaced with something that helps bring freedom to the common folk. It will have a wonderful new name, like LibertyCare. It will have the lines around the states, and will be a beautiful thing.

Almost unfair that California is going to secede , without all those Caly Dem congressman there would be no Obummercare . They should make them continue to pay the penalty regardless , LOL

[oyarde]

LibertyCare is not Drumpf style. How about AmeriCare?

GreatCare.

[oyarde]

I just hope that Trump gets it right this time. The original Obamacare had barely any free stuff in it at all. If TrumpCare can add some free stuff, like for example free minor surgeries, then I think that would be a good step in the right direction.

Kind of hard for America to be Great without free breast implants . I'll send him a text .

[TheTexan]

Kind of hard for America to be Great without free breast implants . I'll send him a text .

It would be great for the economy