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Thread: Mexico murder rate reaches a stunning 19.8 per 100,000 in 2017

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    Exclamation Mexico murder rate reaches a stunning 19.8 per 100,000 in 2017

    With 25,339 murders in 2017, Mexico suffers record homicide tally

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/25-339-mur...184202989.html

    ReutersJanuary 21, 2018

    MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - There were more than 25,000 murders across drug-ravaged Mexico in 2017, the highest annual tally since modern records began, government data showed.

    Investigators opened 25,339 murder probes last year, up nearly 25 percent from the 2016 tally, interior ministry data released on Saturday showed. It was the highest annual total since the government began counting murders in 1997.

    Mexico has struggled with years of violence as the government has battled vicious drug cartels that have increasingly splintered into smaller, more bloodthirsty, gangs.

    Violence is a central issue in July's presidential election. Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto faces an uphill battle to keep his ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party in office.

    There were 40 percent more murder investigations opened last year compared with 2013, Pena Nieto's first full year in office.

    Mexico on Thursday dismissed a claim by U.S. President Donald Trump that it was the most dangerous country in the world.
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    Drug dealers killing each other.

    Drug violence and turf battles prompted by the expansion of the Jalisco New Generation cartel are believed to be a major factor behind the rising murder rate.
    The country’s homicide rate of 20.5 for every 100,000 inhabitants was still below that of Brazil and Colombia, both at 27, and well below El Salvador’s 60.8.
    Honduras's rate is 91.6 per 100,000.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-murders-2017


    Top 25 Murder Rates By Country

    Rank Country Murder Rate (Per 100,000 Inhabitants)

    1 Honduras 91.6
    2 El Salvador 69.2
    3 Jamaica 52.2
    4 Venezuela 45.1
    5 Belize 41.4
    6 Guatemala 38.5
    7 Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
    8 Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
    9 Colombia 33.4
    10 South Africa 31.1
    11 Bahamas 27.4
    12 Brazil 26.7
    13 Puerto Rico 26.2
    14 Saint Lucia 25.2
    15 Dominican Republic 25
    16 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
    17 Mexico 22.7
    18 Panama 21.6
    19 Greenland 19.2
    20 Guyana 18.6
    21 Ecuador 15.2
    22 Zimbabwe 14.3
    23 Nicaragua 13.6
    24 Turkmenistan 12.8
    25 Grenada 11.5
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...y-country.html
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-21-2018 at 02:38 PM.

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    Based on the above number, this comes out to 19.8 per 100,000.

    Not nearly the "most dangerous" but in the top 20.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._homicide_rate

    By comparison, the US is 4.8 per 100,000

    The number of victims from 5 major cities number 1739 alone: Chicago 756 - Baltimore 318 - NOLA 175 - Detroit 302 - St. Louis 188

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    You are efficient Zip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Drug dealers killing each other.

    Honduras's rate is 91.6 per 100,000.
    So, Central and South American $#@!holes are hotbeds of murder and corruption.

    No news there.

    Is there any good reason that we should not do what we can to keep these people out of the country then?

    Or do we want to live in a country where your morning commute is "culturally enriched" by the "diversity" of rival drug dealers daily hanging rotting corpses from highway overpasses?


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    All $#@!holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    All $#@!holes.
    Greenland too? (#19 on the list)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    With 25,339 murders in 2017, Mexico suffers record homicide tally

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/25-339-mur...184202989.html

    ReutersJanuary 21, 2018

    MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - There were more than 25,000 murders across drug-ravaged Mexico in 2017, the highest annual tally since modern records began, government data showed.

    Investigators opened 25,339 murder probes last year, up nearly 25 percent from the 2016 tally, interior ministry data released on Saturday showed. It was the highest annual total since the government began counting murders in 1997.

    Mexico has struggled with years of violence as the government has battled vicious drug cartels that have increasingly splintered into smaller, more bloodthirsty, gangs.

    Violence is a central issue in July's presidential election. Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto faces an uphill battle to keep his ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party in office.

    There were 40 percent more murder investigations opened last year compared with 2013, Pena Nieto's first full year in office.

    Mexico on Thursday dismissed a claim by U.S. President Donald Trump that it was the most dangerous country in the world.
    This is caused by the WoD squad- the biggest, and most profitable, drug gang in the world.
    There is no spoon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Greenland too? (#19 on the list)?
    Injuns...


    Why is Greenland's homicide rate so high?

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Greenla...e-rate-so-high

    Jun 4 2017

    Not just a high homicide rate, but also the worlds highest suicide rate.

    However, the high suicide rate can partly be attributed to the fact that approximately 89% of Greenland’s population are Inuits and high suicide rates are common amongst Inuit people even in Canada and Alaska.

    But how about the murder rate?

    You may be intrigued and expecting a very interesting answer so I am apologising in advance for disappointing you.

    The reason why the suicide and homicide rate is so high is because of the fact that it has such a small population that even a single murder would boost up the homicide rate.

    With a population of just 56000, even a single murder/suicide would boost up the homicide/suicide rate to higher than most developed, western nations.

    The highest homicide rate it has had in the past 15 years was 30% but even this attributed to only 16 murders; this is still quite a lot but if we zoomed the 30% out on the large scale, it would be WAY, WAY above what is expected.

    That being said however, the murder rate is still A BIT higher than it should be for such a small nation due to some unknown reason, even if we discount the fact that most of it is as a result of statistical error.

    Maybe it’s the viking genes…..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Injuns...


    Why is Greenland's homicide rate so high?

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Greenla...e-rate-so-high

    Jun 4 2017

    Not just a high homicide rate, but also the worlds highest suicide rate.

    However, the high suicide rate can partly be attributed to the fact that approximately 89% of Greenland’s population are Inuits and high suicide rates are common amongst Inuit people even in Canada and Alaska.

    But how about the murder rate?

    You may be intrigued and expecting a very interesting answer so I am apologising in advance for disappointing you.

    The reason why the suicide and homicide rate is so high is because of the fact that it has such a small population that even a single murder would boost up the homicide rate.

    With a population of just 56000, even a single murder/suicide would boost up the homicide/suicide rate to higher than most developed, western nations.

    The highest homicide rate it has had in the past 15 years was 30% but even this attributed to only 16 murders; this is still quite a lot but if we zoomed the 30% out on the large scale, it would be WAY, WAY above what is expected.

    That being said however, the murder rate is still A BIT higher than it should be for such a small nation due to some unknown reason, even if we discount the fact that most of it is as a result of statistical error.

    Maybe it’s the viking genes…..
    Thanks for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This is caused by the WoD squad- the biggest, and most profitable, drug gang in the world.
    I agree.

    Over 100 years of US tomfuckery in the internal affairs of all these countries has not helped the matter either.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-21-2018 at 03:40 PM.

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    Clearly the high gun ownership rate is the reason for all the murders in Central America.



    "Guns don't kill people, violent Central Americans do." Donald Trump
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 01-21-2018 at 03:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Clearly the high gun ownership rate is the reason for all the murders in Central America.



    "Guns don't kill people, violent Central Americans do." Donald Trump
    Yes, this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Greenland too? (#19 on the list)?
    Evil Viking genes spread among the innocent Inuit .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Evil Viking genes spread among the innocent Inuit .
    @Danke 's kinfolk?

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    How does St Kitts get higher than Columbia ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Clearly the high gun ownership rate is the reason for all the murders in Central America.



    "Guns don't kill people, violent Central Americans do." Donald Trump
    We have to stop the mooslims from coming here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @Danke 's kinfolk?
    Of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    All $#@!holes.
    That list pretty much looks like it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    How does St Kitts get higher than Columbia ?
    Maybe that "small population" problem. With about 35,000 it only takes a couple of murders to have a high rate per 100,000. 38 murders per 100,000 is about 11 a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, Central and South American $#@!holes are hotbeds of murder and corruption.

    No news there.

    Is there any good reason that we should not do what we can to keep these people out of the country then?

    Or do we want to live in a country where your morning commute is "culturally enriched" by the "diversity" of rival drug dealers daily hanging rotting corpses from highway overpasses?
    Is it something inherent in the people...

    ...or maybe something about the political environment?

    rival drug dealers
    Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Is it something inherent in the people...

    ...or maybe something about the political environment?



    Hmmm...
    It's the culture, some of which might be the result of Imperial meddling but much of which is due to the choices made by the people and leaders of those countries over many generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's the culture, some of which might be the result of Imperial meddling but much of which is due to the choices made by the people and leaders of those countries over many generations.
    That's why there are drug cartels murdering people for drug profits?

    ...it doesn't have to do with, O, I don't know, drug prohibition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's why there are drug cartels murdering people for drug profits?

    ...it doesn't have to do with, O, I don't know, drug prohibition?
    I said some of which may have to do with imperial meddling, but who joined the cartels or sold out to them? The people and their leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I said some of which may have to do with imperial meddling, but who joined the cartels or sold out to them? The people and their leaders.
    There's never a shortage of people willing to commit crimes for money.

    Wherever prohibition exists, this gang problem exists.

    The only reason it's worse in Mexico is that the Mexican state is weaker, so the cartels have been able to grow larger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    There's never a shortage of people willing to commit crimes for money.

    Wherever prohibition exists, this gang problem exists.

    The only reason it's worse in Mexico is that the Mexican state is weaker, so the cartels have been able to grow larger.
    And who created the weak and corrupt state? The people and their leaders.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And who created the weak and corrupt state? The people and their leaders.
    And you think this is because they're lacking in moral fiber, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    And you think this is because they're lacking in moral fiber, do you?
    I think that for many generations they and their ancestors made bad choices, those alive today are as much victims of their ancestors choices as they are responsible for their own, but they have created a bad culture which they continue to pass on to their children and which we need to keep out of our country.

    Would you want to let a horde of wild eyed Athenian Democrats move into your ideal kingdom?
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I think that for many generations they and their ancestors made bad choices, those alive today are as much victims of their ancestors choices as they are responsible for their own, but they have created a bad culture which they continue to pass on to their children and which we need to keep out of our country.
    What is the evidence for the existence of this bad culture, and what brought it about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What is the evidence for the existence of this bad culture, and what brought it about?
    Bribery is a way of life in Mexico and they have been a Bandido/Tyrant state since the Spanish lost control. (The Spanish were no great shakes themselves)

    And as I said it was caused by many bad decisions by the people and their leaders.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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