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That would be a good thing. Progressive taxation is immoral. Laws should apply equally to all citizens. If the poor can't afford the flat rate, it needs to be lowered. There's no incentive to reduce theft (taxation) when it only gets applied to a small minority. While we're at it let's make non payment a civil offense, not a criminal offense, just like private debt.
Another idea I like is to only allow people to vote in federal elections who receive no federal benefits. That would include all federal workers and contractors working for the fed (which would include me - I'd gladly give up my voting privilege).
The current system is totally corrupt. "Vote for Me and I'll Steal for You" is the current system we have which is why we're bankrupt.
Anyone actually paying more Fed tax than they receive back , I have no real problem with them voting in Fed elections . State elections same . County and city elections should be restricted to people who pay property tax or rent from someone who does or pays other county/city taxes .
Do something Danke
55% of households pay federal income tax. https://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway.../#5206151f61cb
I agree. The flat tax plans put out are slightly less progressive plans. There should not be an exemption. And there should not be all the deductions that distort incentives i.e. mortgage interest.
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Welfare nation is not strong enough for a flat tax . One percent would be the most burden the poorest could handle . Get rid of the welfare first and then the nation will be more prepared and less weak .
Do something Danke
Flat tax (like Rand) seems stupid to me. I don't see how it solves the problem of income determination, which is a big source of IRS aggravation. Fair tax would solve many problems, however (IRS).
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@RonPaulMall your sarcasm meter is broken. As for what's important, it's all important. One way to destroy the neocons and the neolibs would be to destroy their ability to manipulate people through the tax code.
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I support a "TIP" jar.
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I mean,,
if you want potholes fixed,, you drop change in the pothole jar.
If you want to support a school,, you put money in the school jar.
If you want to start a war..you put money in the war jar.
If you don't put money in the jar,, money doesn't go in the jar...
Simple.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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More on Rand's idea: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ra...rticle/2569919
Technically, half of the Social Security Tax is paid by you and half by your employer. Your boss has a certain budget for payroll. If instead of 6.5% he pays now, he has to pay 13%, he either has to lower the wages he pays workers by the additional amount he now has to pay or he has to raise prices consumers pay for his goods to cover the amount. There is no net gain to society.He said under his plan Social Security would be paid for by businesses rather than individuals. That would give those who make $40 thousand a year an extra $2 thousand in their paycheck each year, he said.
Paul's proposal would tax all income at 14.5 percent, which the Tax Foundation found would increase the incomes of those earning over $1 million by 13 percent, while the incomes of those earning between $50,000 and $75,000 would rise by a much more modest 3 percent.
No, Rand's plan eliminates both employer and employee portions of payroll taxes.
Medicare and SS are funded out of the 14.5 flat rate corporate tax (which replaces the existing corporate tax).
And this is not just burden shifting; the total burden is less.
The plan reduces total revenues by $300 billion/year.
https://taxfoundation.org/senator-ra...roll-tax-swap/
However, if you look closely he really isn’t getting rid of the Social Security or Medicare taxes. His plan actually shifts the revenue from current payroll taxes to the revenue from a portion of his new business VAT. This shift will mean that individuals will end up paying about the same amount of payroll tax, but it will be collected in a different way.Under the Rand Paul plan, these payroll taxes go away. However, the new business transfer tax would impose a 14.5 percent tax on all of a business’s payroll. Economically, this would work like the current employer-side payroll tax. The business would reduce an employee’s compensation by precisely the amount they need to pay on their payroll. For the exact same worker the business would now to pay 14.5 percent tax on its payroll of $43,060 or $6,243. The worker ends up being paid $36,816 or about $3,000 less in pre-tax income. But with no employee-side payroll tax, the total tax wedge under the Rand plan would be $6,243, which is slightly more than under current law.
@zippy
In other words, taxing corporations indirectly reduces their employees' wages.
Well, yea, of course, but that's true of existing corporate taxes (which Rand's plan eliminates).
And under Rand's plan, the total burden is less.
True. If tax cuts are not offset by cuts in spending though, they add to our deficit and National Debt.
Who in the primary, besides Huckabee (I assume), was for the Fair Tax this time around?
I don't remember any.
I also don't remember a flat tax being a big issue, even in the GOP primaries.
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