"Pentagon Money Can be Used to Construct a Border Wall"

[Swordsmyth]

If we don't learn from history we are destined to repeat it.

The lesson is that we should have stayed out, what would have happened if we did is speculation.

[fcreature]

Getting a kick out of the Trumpkins over at TD convincing themselves that this 30 mile fence replacement is the border wall Trump promised. LOL

[TheCount]

Getting a kick out of the Trumpkins over at TD convincing themselves that this 30 mile fence replacement is the border wall Trump promised. LOL

Yeah, I saw at least a couple of threads about it. I think that the current delusion is that the fence is just the outer perimeter and there will be an additional "big beautiful wall" behind it.

It's equal parts funny and sad. At this point, I wonder what the troll-to-dannno ratio is on TD. For every true believer, how many are just memeing?

[fcreature]

Yeah, I saw at least a couple of threads about it. I think that the current delusion is that the fence is just the outer perimeter and there will be an additional "big beautiful wall" behind it.

It's equal parts funny and sad. At this point, I wonder what the troll-to-dannno ratio is on TD. For every true believer, how many are just memeing?

Usually there is at least some sort of backward mental gymnastics I can at least understand for how they get to their conclusions. This time though, I don't know. There is no way what-so-ever to con yourself into thinking this is the wall that was promised. It is explicitly a repaired fence that already exists.

[goldenequity]

If we don't learn from history we are destined to repeat it.

[Ender]

The lesson is that we should have stayed out, what would have happened if we did is speculation.

It was a border spat and power play of Britain's; if we had stayed out it wouldn't have blown into a full fledged world war that was blamed entirely on Germany. Germany was made to pay for the entire war, throwing it into extreme poverty and sowing the seeds for a Hitler.

[Swordsmyth]

It was a border spat and power play of Britain's; if we had stayed out it wouldn't have blown into a full fledged world war that was blamed entirely on Germany. Germany was made to pay for the entire war, throwing it into extreme poverty and sowing the seeds for a Hitler.

LOL, we didn't enter till it was almost over, it was a full fledged war for years before we entered.

It is not clear whether Germany or France would have won but the loser was going to burn for revenge either way.
Britain would have continued to try to play the continental powers against eachother and might have caused another war sooner or later than WWII happened.

The only thing we can be sure of is that we would have been better off to have stayed out of both WWI and WWII.

[pcosmar]

The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.

[Jan2017]

The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.

Which of the nine border zones do you think is the least "seriously" planned and furthest from implementation . . .
- San Diego, El Centro, Yuma, Tucson, El Paso, Marfa, Del Rio, Laredo, or Rio Grande Valley (?)
or in which border zone are the US Geological Survey recommendations for the terrains way out of sync with the reality on the ground(?)

Which of the nine zones are farthest along (?) Different protoypes/walls in different zones (?) Any tieing rebar jobs in Yuma (?)

[TheCount]

Which of the nine zones are farthest along ? Different protoypes/walls in different zones ? Any tieing rebar jobs in Yuma ?

None of the prototypes are being used in any of the zones.

That picture is from 2012. That's Obama's wall.

[EBounding]

Trump Fan Fiction comes to life.

[Jan2017]

That picture is from 2012. That's Obama's wall.

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

fyi, here is a March 14, 2009 sunrise shot between Yuma and Calexico.



A section of the controversial US-Mexico border fence expansion project crosses previously pristine desert sands at sunrise on March 14, 2009, between Yuma, Arizona and Calexico, California.
The barrier stands 15 feet tall and sits on top of the sand so it can lifted by a machine and repositioned whenever the migrating desert dunes begin to bury it.
The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.

[TheCount]

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.

How many billions of dollars should be spent on a better fence for these seven miles of desert?

[Superfluous Man]

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

The problem is that they exist. The position this website takes is that they need to be replaced with nothing.

[Jan2017]

None of the prototypes are being used in any of the zones.

Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.

Huh, no materials or workers ?

Do the first prototypes count (?) - 'cause they are already started.

That fourth from the left has construction design similar to designs already in use in the Yuma sector with a thick base of concrete-
all probably with deep pylons. Likely different prototypes have different advantages in different terrain as USGS gets more involved.
















Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.

[nikcers]

Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.



Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.

El Chapo made money on drugs and was able to escape from prison walls, he got his money from the war on drugs that still goes on to this day. How do you stop el chapos without stopping the war on drugs?

[Jan2017]

The problem is that they exist. The position this website takes is that they need to be replaced with nothing.

Military border patrol probably intensifying though, whether RP website approves or not.

Here's TN National Guard in Yuma sector . . . Carry On.

[TheCount]

Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.

Aww, I'm sorry for bursting your fantasy bubble.

Also, yeah, I'm sure that drug cartels come to Ron Paul Forums to find out the latest intel on border wall construction, rather than looking with their own $#@!ing eyes. Don't be so melodramatic.

That fourth from the left has construction design similar to designs already in use in the Yuma sector with a thick base of concrete-
all probably with deep pylons. Likely different prototypes have different advantages in different terrain as USGS gets more involved.


Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.

All of those prototypes are solid, immovable concrete which would not work in areas with shifting sands. In fact, they would work less well than a fence, as they would allow sands to pile up against their surface.



Again, how many billions of dollars should be spent to make the existing walls marginally better? Your own link had that wall at $6 million per mile; Trump's estimate of his 'big beautiful' concrete version is six times that, without including consideration for any special requirements in difficult areas or the price of the land itself.

[Superfluous Man]

Military border patrol probably intensifying though, whether RP website approves or not.

Here's TN National Guard in Yuma sector . . . Carry On.

Let's advance our mission by getting to work on trying to shift public opinion to stronger disapproval of this and try to reverse the trend.

[RonPaulMall]

This can not be stressed enough!

Well guess what? Welfare isn't going to end anytime soon. So you can either support a stop gap measure that preserves the country while you fight for an end to welfare or the globalists will simply replace you and whether welfare is done away with or not becomes moot.

This is why Libertarianism is so unpopular. Plenty of people may be sympathetic to your position on welfare, but once you start telling people their children's school needs to be flooded with illegals and their neighborhood turned in to a 3rd world favela while we all wait for the great libertarian paradise to finally come about everybody stops listening.

[Superfluous Man]

Well guess what? Welfare isn't going to end anytime soon. So you can either support a stop gap measure that preserves the country while you fight for an end to welfare or the globalists will simply replace you and whether welfare is done away with or not becomes moot.

Please explain what you mean by "replace you."

[Ender]

El Chapo made money on drugs and was able to escape from prison walls, he got his money from the war on drugs that still goes on to this day. How do you stop el chapos without stopping the war on drugs?

You don't.

The WoD is THE cause for the cartels & drug runs- it makes the alphabets mucho bucks.

Wanna stop the immigration problem? It's simple:

No welfare
No WoD

And while we're at it:

No gov in medicine, education, etc.

Problem solved.

And a lot cheaper than a stupid $#@!ty wall.

[Ender]

LOL, we didn't enter till it was almost over, it was a full fledged war for years before we entered.

It is not clear whether Germany or France would have won but the loser was going to burn for revenge either way.
Britain would have continued to try to play the continental powers against eachother and might have caused another war sooner or later than WWII happened.

The only thing we can be sure of is that we would have been better off to have stayed out of both WWI and WWII.

Just because we didn't "declare war" doesn't mean we weren't involved. The MIC was making huge profits.

And, most people researching the real history of WWI have come to realize that it was Britain that was the actual war monger, not Germany.

And, I definitely agree with your last sentence.

[Jan2017]

It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.

fyi, here is a March 14, 2009 sunrise shot between Yuma and Calexico.



A section of the controversial US-Mexico border fence expansion project crosses previously pristine desert sands at sunrise on March 14, 2009, between Yuma, Arizona and Calexico, California.
The barrier stands 15 feet tall and sits on top of the sand so it can lifted by a machine and repositioned whenever the migrating desert dunes begin to bury it.
The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.

How many billions of dollars should be spent on a better fence for these seven miles of desert?

It seems like an interesting type of movable fence/barrier . . . I offer no input if it is earmarked for replacement eventually,
but it is disingenous to pretend to RPF that this section is some sort of a priority - it's not.
It seems like an artificial reef or sometin' - but unburying it from sand dunes for seven miles probably is NOT gonna be so cheap
and is a projected maintenance future expense that other designs don't have.

Maybe jus' pile junk cars on the border is all that's needed for national security purposes for the multi-faceted solution to
that pesky problem invading nation directly to the south that doesn't and has shown really that they CAN'T
and are actually morally incapable of playing by the rules in controlling it's population from the continental spread of their criminal activity.

So. this is the southwest Yuma sector that is NOT being replaced, fwiw.
It illustrates the different terrains will have different prototypes implemented.

Laredo sector won't necessarily utilize the same prototype as Yuma sector in all locations.

[Jan2017]

Again, how many billions of dollars should be spent to make the existing walls marginally better? Your own link had that wall at $6 million per mile; Trump's estimate of his 'big beautiful' concrete version is six times that, without including consideration for any special requirements in difficult areas or the price of the land itself.

Upkeep for the movable dune reef is expensive . . .
but no one here mentioned that as an example of a replaced section priority.

[Jan2017]

All of those prototypes are solid, immovable concrete which would not work in areas with shifting sands. In fact, they would work less well than a fence, as they would allow sands to pile up against their surface.

Duh . . .
that is why your fiscally irresponsible hallucination is so disingenuous and your suggesting this to RPF is what(?) a clever dumbing down attempt?
The reality is the architects and design team are not working on those southwest portions of the Yuma sector. Think 72 miles of the south - southeast
for one of the eight prototypes offered by six construction firms.

[Swordsmyth]

Just because we didn't "declare war" doesn't mean we weren't involved. The MIC was making huge profits.

But our industries didn't change it from a border spat into a full fledged war, the British empire saw to it that it was a full fledged war from the start.

And, most people researching the real history of WWI have come to realize that it was Britain that was the actual war monger, not Germany.

Absolutely, the articles here show that quite well for WWI and WWII, and the British empire would have done their best to cause another war if we had stayed out of WWI.

[Aratus]

The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.

i agree

[Jan2017]

Let's advance our mission by getting to work on trying to shift public opinion to stronger disapproval of this and try to reverse the trend.

The trend has already started towards reversing this decade old problem finally -
. . . finally a President facing the immigration/ invasion scheme of one particular border nation instead of free amnesty.
Founders were aware of these potential national sovereignty problems that have been swept under the rug way too much in recent decades, imho.
.

Most immigration is currently coming from Asia- not Mexico- anyways. We need a new Great Wall of China!

Zero immigration coming from Mexico to coincide with the new DACA Scheemer's Path to Mexico program better sooner than later.

[Jan2017]

The Cheapest Way to Build Trump’s Wall
The U.S. military has become expert at building concrete walls and might be able to do the job for less than the private sector.

The spring of 2008 was a grim time for the U.S. military in Baghdad. Not least among the problems were rockets raining down on the Green Zone,
which housed government offices and foreign embassies, from a suburb of the Iraqi capital called Sadr City.
American forces fought back and captured launch locations, but the missiles kept falling.
. . .
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-trump-s-wall

A look at Trump’s border wall prototypes

Walls need to be at least 18 feet tall, however, 30 feet is considered ideal.
A person shouldn’t climb to to the top unassisted.
Walls should also include anti-climbing features that prevent scaling, even with the use of climbing aids.
No hole larger than a foot can be made through the wall in under an hour of trying with the use of hand-held tools.
Wall designs must be able to prevent tunnelling from below for at least 6 feet.
Walls must accommodate surface drainage and also be constructable on slopes of up to 45 percent.
Wall designs must be cost effective to construct, maintain and repair. The designs should also accommodate Border Patrol-approved pedestrian and vehicle sliding gates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.61cf9b3027d6