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Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Getting a kick out of the Trumpkins over at TD convincing themselves that this 30 mile fence replacement is the border wall Trump promised. LOL
Yeah, I saw at least a couple of threads about it. I think that the current delusion is that the fence is just the outer perimeter and there will be an additional "big beautiful wall" behind it.
It's equal parts funny and sad. At this point, I wonder what the troll-to-dannno ratio is on TD. For every true believer, how many are just memeing?
Usually there is at least some sort of backward mental gymnastics I can at least understand for how they get to their conclusions. This time though, I don't know. There is no way what-so-ever to con yourself into thinking this is the wall that was promised. It is explicitly a repaired fence that already exists.
It was a border spat and power play of Britain's; if we had stayed out it wouldn't have blown into a full fledged world war that was blamed entirely on Germany. Germany was made to pay for the entire war, throwing it into extreme poverty and sowing the seeds for a Hitler.
There is no spoon.
LOL, we didn't enter till it was almost over, it was a full fledged war for years before we entered.
It is not clear whether Germany or France would have won but the loser was going to burn for revenge either way.
Britain would have continued to try to play the continental powers against eachother and might have caused another war sooner or later than WWII happened.
The only thing we can be sure of is that we would have been better off to have stayed out of both WWI and WWII.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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The border Wall is as serious as Obama closing Guantanamo. and leaving Afghanistan.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Which of the nine border zones do you think is the least "seriously" planned and furthest from implementation . . .
- San Diego, El Centro, Yuma, Tucson, El Paso, Marfa, Del Rio, Laredo, or Rio Grande Valley (?)
or in which border zone are the US Geological Survey recommendations for the terrains way out of sync with the reality on the ground(?)
Which of the nine zones are farthest along (?) Different protoypes/walls in different zones (?) Any tieing rebar jobs in Yuma (?)
Last edited by Jan2017; 03-29-2018 at 07:37 AM.
Trump Fan Fiction comes to life.
It is . . . and glad you can recognize the problems of some of the previous barriers needing replacement.
fyi, here is a March 14, 2009 sunrise shot between Yuma and Calexico.
A section of the controversial US-Mexico border fence expansion project crosses previously pristine desert sands at sunrise on March 14, 2009, between Yuma, Arizona and Calexico, California.
The barrier stands 15 feet tall and sits on top of the sand so it can lifted by a machine and repositioned whenever the migrating desert dunes begin to bury it.
The almost seven miles of floating fence cost about $6 million per mile to build.
Thanks for update -
we'll all be sure to let el Chapo milksh!tters know that all is still jus' swell for them along with their criminal cohorts at The Gulf Cartel headquarters in Matamoros. Carry on . . . disinformation works. Thanks.
That fourth from the left has construction design similar to designs already in use in the Yuma sector with a thick base of concrete-
all probably with deep pylons. Likely different prototypes have different advantages in different terrain as USGS gets more involved.
Some fences work for border security against the illegal Mexico-specific immigration problem starting to be solved and don't need replacement . . . others not so much.
Last edited by Jan2017; 03-29-2018 at 09:00 AM.
Aww, I'm sorry for bursting your fantasy bubble.
Also, yeah, I'm sure that drug cartels come to Ron Paul Forums to find out the latest intel on border wall construction, rather than looking with their own $#@!ing eyes. Don't be so melodramatic.
All of those prototypes are solid, immovable concrete which would not work in areas with shifting sands. In fact, they would work less well than a fence, as they would allow sands to pile up against their surface.
Again, how many billions of dollars should be spent to make the existing walls marginally better? Your own link had that wall at $6 million per mile; Trump's estimate of his 'big beautiful' concrete version is six times that, without including consideration for any special requirements in difficult areas or the price of the land itself.
Well guess what? Welfare isn't going to end anytime soon. So you can either support a stop gap measure that preserves the country while you fight for an end to welfare or the globalists will simply replace you and whether welfare is done away with or not becomes moot.
This is why Libertarianism is so unpopular. Plenty of people may be sympathetic to your position on welfare, but once you start telling people their children's school needs to be flooded with illegals and their neighborhood turned in to a 3rd world favela while we all wait for the great libertarian paradise to finally come about everybody stops listening.
You don't.
The WoD is THE cause for the cartels & drug runs- it makes the alphabets mucho bucks.
Wanna stop the immigration problem? It's simple:
No welfare
No WoD
And while we're at it:
No gov in medicine, education, etc.
Problem solved.
And a lot cheaper than a stupid $#@!ty wall.
There is no spoon.
Just because we didn't "declare war" doesn't mean we weren't involved. The MIC was making huge profits.
And, most people researching the real history of WWI have come to realize that it was Britain that was the actual war monger, not Germany.
And, I definitely agree with your last sentence.
There is no spoon.
It seems like an interesting type of movable fence/barrier . . . I offer no input if it is earmarked for replacement eventually,
but it is disingenous to pretend to RPF that this section is some sort of a priority - it's not.
It seems like an artificial reef or sometin' - but unburying it from sand dunes for seven miles probably is NOT gonna be so cheap
and is a projected maintenance future expense that other designs don't have.
Maybe jus' pile junk cars on the border is all that's needed for national security purposes for the multi-faceted solution to
that pesky problem invading nation directly to the south that doesn't and has shown really that they CAN'T
and are actually morally incapable of playing by the rules in controlling it's population from the continental spread of their criminal activity.
So. this is the southwest Yuma sector that is NOT being replaced, fwiw.
It illustrates the different terrains will have different prototypes implemented.
Laredo sector won't necessarily utilize the same prototype as Yuma sector in all locations.
Last edited by Jan2017; 03-29-2018 at 11:52 AM.
Duh . . .
that is why your fiscally irresponsible hallucination is so disingenuous and your suggesting this to RPF is what(?) a clever dumbing down attempt?
The reality is the architects and design team are not working on those southwest portions of the Yuma sector. Think 72 miles of the south - southeast
for one of the eight prototypes offered by six construction firms.
Last edited by Jan2017; 03-29-2018 at 12:18 PM.
But our industries didn't change it from a border spat into a full fledged war, the British empire saw to it that it was a full fledged war from the start.
Absolutely, the articles here show that quite well for WWI and WWII, and the British empire would have done their best to cause another war if we had stayed out of WWI.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The trend has already started towards reversing this decade old problem finally -
. . . finally a President facing the immigration/ invasion scheme of one particular border nation instead of free amnesty.
Founders were aware of these potential national sovereignty problems that have been swept under the rug way too much in recent decades, imho.
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Zero immigration coming from Mexico to coincide with the new DACA Scheemer's Path to Mexico program better sooner than later.
The Cheapest Way to Build Trump’s Wall
The U.S. military has become expert at building concrete walls and might be able to do the job for less than the private sector.
The spring of 2008 was a grim time for the U.S. military in Baghdad. Not least among the problems were rockets raining down on the Green Zone,
which housed government offices and foreign embassies, from a suburb of the Iraqi capital called Sadr City.
American forces fought back and captured launch locations, but the missiles kept falling.
. . .
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d-trump-s-wall
A look at Trump’s border wall prototypes
Walls need to be at least 18 feet tall, however, 30 feet is considered ideal.
A person shouldn’t climb to to the top unassisted.
Walls should also include anti-climbing features that prevent scaling, even with the use of climbing aids.
No hole larger than a foot can be made through the wall in under an hour of trying with the use of hand-held tools.
Wall designs must be able to prevent tunnelling from below for at least 6 feet.
Walls must accommodate surface drainage and also be constructable on slopes of up to 45 percent.
Wall designs must be cost effective to construct, maintain and repair. The designs should also accommodate Border Patrol-approved pedestrian and vehicle sliding gates.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.61cf9b3027d6
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