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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There are certainly many other factors involved in causing tyranny just as there are many other factors than tyranny involved in suppressing IQ but there is a minimum average IQ required for liberty, stupid people want others to lead them and are not able to understand attempts to manipulate them.
    As with many many smart people
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    So do many many smart people
    That is caused by the other factors involved but the lower the IQ of the populace the stronger the trend becomes.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    That is subjective, and an if/then fallacy.

    Plus I dont know which they are a danger to. Liberty or tyranny? Or both? Seems like a weird statement
    Criminality tends to hover around 85 IQ. Low IQ countries tend to be extremely corrupt.

    High IQ countries tend to respect free speech, freedom of religion, more economic freedom, etc.


    A collection of information about IQ:

    http://fdrurl.com/iq


    New video about the article in the OP:

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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Criminality tends to hover around 85 IQ. Low IQ countries tend to be extremely corrupt.

    High IQ countries tend to respect free speech, freedom of religion, more economic freedom, etc.


    A collection of information about IQ:

    http://fdrurl.com/iq


    New video about the article in the OP:

    I'm not arguing against any of that or that there isn't a correlation. I'm just saying it's not necessarily THE cause of it. So I'm gonna disagree with an if/then statement that does.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I'm not arguing against any of that or that there isn't a correlation. I'm just saying it's not necessarily THE cause of it. So I'm gonna disagree with an if/then statement that does.
    I think between IQ distributions and distributions of r vs K mating strategies, you could probably explain at least 90% of it just with those two things.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I think between IQ distributions and distributions of r vs K mating strategies, you could probably explain at least 90% of it just with those two things.
    I'd say those are observable effects, just like the OP suggests, of many causes. Not the other way around.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I'd say those are observable effects, just like the OP suggests, of many causes. Not the other way around.
    Do you know much about r vs. K mating strategies?

    r's tend to be socialists/commies and Ks tend to be for free markets. There is good reason for that.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Do you know much about r vs. K mating strategies?

    r's tend to be socialists/commies and Ks tend to be for free markets. There is good reason for that.
    Yes, I do. What you're referring to isn't really it though. All humans are textbook K strategists.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I took out the xenophobic part because after rereading I'm not sure it was.

    I agree that culture's average IQ varies. But IQ is a construct. Also cultures are a construct. And it's not as if the high IQ of western civilization has produced any lasting bastion of liberty.
    IQ is a construct. But it's a useful one. Something being a construct doesn't really tell you anything about its value.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Yes, I do. What you're referring to isn't really it though. All humans are textbook K strategists.
    LOL, no they are absolutely not. Humans can be born r or K and they can change based on early childhood experiences, and then change again potentially later in life.

    When a girl is born, who would otherwise have her period at age 14, if she has some really awful things happen when she is a child it can actually make her have her period at age 11 or 12. That is one of the characteristics of r, is early sexualization.

    That is literally biology drastically shifting based on their childhood experiences. It's called epigenetics.

    Molyneux has like 15 videos explaining all of this stuff in great detail.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    IQ is a construct. But it's a useful one. Something being a construct doesn't really tell you anything about its value.
    Didn't say it didn't, but it sure don't tell you everything neither.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  15. #42
    [QUOTE=tfurrh;6801946]I took

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    LOL, no they are absolutely not. Humans can be born r or K and they can change based on early childhood experiences, and then change again potentially later in life.

    When a girl is born, who would otherwise have her period at age 14, if she has some really awful things happen when she is a child it can actually make her have her period at age 11 or 12. That is one of the characteristics of r, is early sexualization.

    That is literally biology drastically shifting based on their childhood experiences. It's called epigenetics.

    Molyneux has like 15 videos explaining all of this stuff in great detail.
    r/K works best as a metaphor, within humans. He's right that all humans are K selected, just that some cultures are more K than others, but even those r selected peoples are K. A truly r selected species would be fish, for example, who lay tons of eggs, then do no parenting. That's truly r selected.
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    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Didn't say it didn't, but it sure don't tell you everything neither.
    If that's your standard, then nothing is useful.
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    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    LOL, no they are absolutely not. Humans can be born r or K and they can change based on early childhood experiences, and then change again potentially later in life.

    When a girl is born, who would otherwise have her period at age 14, if she has some really awful things happen when she is a child it can actually make her have her period at age 11 or 12. That is one of the characteristics of r, is early sexualization.

    That is literally biology drastically shifting based on their childhood experiences. It's called epigenetics.

    Molyneux has like 15 videos explaining all of this stuff in great detail.
    You're way off on this. Molyneux may have hijacked a somewhat dated biological concept, and used ideas from it to fit his narrative, but it's not that.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Yes, I do. What you're referring to isn't really it though. All humans are textbook K strategists.
    Compared to other animals but within humanity there is a spectrum and some people are farther towards one end or the other.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 05-23-2019 at 06:16 PM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    If that's your standard, then nothing is useful.
    Another if/then fallacy
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Another if/then fallacy
    I'm not even sure what this means. Do you mean affirming the consequent?
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Compared to other animals but within humanity there is a spectrum and some people are frather towards one end or the other.
    I understand what you both are saying/meaning/observing. But even among humans what we're taking about and observing isn't TRULY r vs K strategist.
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    I'm not even sure what this means. Do you mean affirming the consequent?
    It's a low IQ way of saying post hoc ergo propter hoc
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    It's a low IQ way of saying post hoc ergo propter hoc
    That's the confusion of correlation and causation. I don't see how that applies to my statement.
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  26. #52
    To the people posting, how many of you know what your IQ is? I am talking about someone doing a proctored test to get the accurate number

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    To the people posting, how many of you know what your IQ is? I am talking about someone doing a proctored test to get the accurate number
    I took one two years ago 131. I took one six or seven years ago 143. I guess the OP is right.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I took one two years ago 131. I took one six or seven years ago 143. I guess the OP is right.
    Wow, 131 is still very impressive. That is like 90th+ percentile right?

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Wow, 131 is still very impressive. That is like 90th+ percentile right?
    Yes. My wife took it 2 years ago as well. She scored a 99. She's Mexican. Say something Swordsmyth!
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Wow, 131 is still very impressive. That is like 90th+ percentile right?
    97.36



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    Yes. My wife took it 2 years ago as well. She scored a 99. She's Mexican. Say something Swordsmyth!
    Why would I say anything?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why would I say anything?
    (I know I sure didn't)
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Absolutely, we are devolving physically and mentally as a species.
    Thats pretty much what the elites want. Have the people with high IQs rule over everything while the common folk have low IQs so we can be dumb enough to be kept in check. Seems to be working quite well.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 05-23-2019 at 07:37 PM.
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    You're way off on this. Molyneux may have hijacked a somewhat dated biological concept, and used ideas from it to fit his narrative, but it's not that.
    Uh, no, I'm not..

    Study Finds Link Between Child Abuse And The Timing Of Menstruation

    https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/20...e-menstruation


    Does Stress Cause Early Puberty?

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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