We need to start a movement to Expel certain states from the union by Constitutional Amendment

[Swordsmyth]

I am totally serious, Rand or one of our other office holders needs to start pushing a Constitutional Amendment to expel several states.
It won't be easy but it needs doing if the Republic is to be saved.

If we get this going we can make a list here.
States nominated should be entirely dominated by the Demoncrats and in flagrant violation of their citizens Constitutional Rights like the 2ndA.

[Swordsmyth]

I'll start the nominations with New Jersey and Massachusetts.

[VIDEODROME]

Throw out Michigan.

[RonZeplin]

Massachusetts, Connecticut, RI, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and DC. Give it back to the British, or the Indians if they want it. We could give the Indians weapons like we give to Saudi Arabia & Israel.

Regime Change!

[FvS]

Give Blacks 2-3 Southern states to form their own country and send all Central Americans back to Central America. Democrats would probably never win again.

[Swordsmyth]

Give Blacks 2-3 Southern states to form their own country and send all Central Americans back to Central America. Democrats would probably never win again.

That would be harder to do because they aren't concentrated in just one or two states where they are an overwhelming majority.
Getting rid of multiple solid blue states will be good enough.

[timosman]

Give Blacks 2-3 Southern states to form their own country and send all Central Americans back to Central America. Democrats would probably never win again.

Asians worse than Other? WTF! Are they still traumatized from WWII?

[FvS]

That would be harder to do because they aren't concentrated in just one or two states where they are an overwhelming majority. Getting rid of multiple solid blue states will be good enough.

That's true. I suppose California would be an obvious choice.

Asians worse than Other? WTF! Are they still traumatized from WWII?

Many non-Whites seem to prefer collectivism and socialism, for whatever reason.

[The Rebel Poet]

I am totally serious, Rand or one of our other office holders needs to start pushing a Constitutional Amendment to expel several states.
It won't be easy but it needs doing if the Republic is to be saved.

If we get this going we can make a list here.
States nominated should be entirely dominated by the Demoncrats and in flagrant violation of their citizens Constitutional Rights like the 2ndA.

This is a good idea, but pitched this way it's a nonstarter. Even if you wanted to do it against their wishes, you'd have to get a majority in the remaining states to agree. Even excluding liberals and centrists, most conservatives don't hate California so bad that they think Californians should be stripped of citizenship. Instead of telling states they're being forced to leave, tell them they are being allowed to leave.

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

[Swordsmyth]

This is a good idea, but pitched this way it's a nonstarter. Even if you wanted to do it against their wishes, you'd have to get a majority in the remaining states to agree. Even excluding liberals and centrists, most conservatives don't hate California so bad that they think Californians should be stripped of citizenship. Instead of telling states they're being forced to leave, tell them they are being allowed to leave.

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

It should be pitched both ways.

[Anti Federalist]

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

Exactly right.

[Ender]

This is a good idea, but pitched this way it's a nonstarter. Even if you wanted to do it against their wishes, you'd have to get a majority in the remaining states to agree. Even excluding liberals and centrists, most conservatives don't hate California so bad that they think Californians should be stripped of citizenship. Instead of telling states they're being forced to leave, tell them they are being allowed to leave.

This needs to be about self government. Tell Californians (or whoever) that since we can't all agree on how to run the government, we should peacably allow each other to try different forms of government.

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

[shakey1]

Wouldn't be easy to be sure.

[Swordsmyth]

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

They don't want that, they must be expelled if we are ever to go back to that.

[osan]

I am totally serious, Rand or one of our other office holders needs to start pushing a Constitutional Amendment to expel several states.
It won't be easy but it needs doing if the Republic is to be saved.

If we get this going we can make a list here.
States nominated should be entirely dominated by the Demoncrats and in flagrant violation of their citizens Constitutional Rights like the 2ndA.

The Black States list:

1. Massachussetts
2. Connecticut
3. Rhode Island
4. New York
5. New Jersey
6. Maryland
7. Illinois
8. Minnesota
9. California
10. Oregon
11. Washington
12. Ohio
13. Hawaii

[Swordsmyth]

The Black States list:

1. Massachussetts
2. Connecticut
3. Rhode Island
4. New York
5. New Jersey
6. Maryland
7. Illinois
8. Minnesota
9. California
10. Oregon
11. Washington
12. Ohio
13. Hawaii

A very good list, I would suggest that only the worst be targeted for expulsion while the others be allowed a chance to either reform or secede.

[Ender]

They don't want that, they must be expelled if we are ever to go back to that.

Expelled..... so more laws for bigger government is your freedom solution.

The present gov SUCKS. It is totally anti-liberty- yet you promote expelling states YOU think exude that very thing so you can be comfy in your own personal authoritarian cradle.

Start your own country- then do what ever you want. Betcha true liberty will be nowhere in sight.

[brushfire]

I would be satisfied with just the option to opt out. Let all the loser states keep their union.

To me, the failure of the federal government is not due to CA, NY, IL, etc... Its the consolidated power that's the issue.

[Swordsmyth]

Expelled..... so more laws for bigger government is your freedom solution.

The present gov SUCKS. It is totally anti-liberty- yet you promote expelling states YOU think exude that very thing so you can be comfy in your own personal authoritarian cradle.

Start your own country- then do what ever you want. Betcha true liberty will be nowhere in sight.

It isn't more laws, it is enforcing the Constitution while allowing them the freedom to have the horrible governments of their choice.
Would you rather use force to overthrow their elected governments?
Or perhaps you are happy with things just the way they are, with them slowly strangling liberty in the whole country?
Your sheep's clothing is slipping.

[Ender]

It isn't more laws, it is enforcing the Constitution while allowing them the freedom to have the horrible governments of their choice.
Would you rather use force to overthrow their elected governments?
Or perhaps you are happy with things just the way they are, with them slowly strangling liberty in the whole country?
Your sheep's clothing is slipping.

LOL

I'd say your hate-mongering is continually driving your posts- divide and conquer is your meme.

Ron Paul's solutions are the best I've seen but haters don't want that.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...67#post6645767

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

I'd say your hate-mongering is continually driving your posts- divide and conquer is your meme.

Ron Paul's solutions are the best I've seen but haters don't want that.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...67#post6645767

You can't love liberty without hating tyranny, it is an exercise in charity and mercy to expel them instead of exterminating them.
They are destroying us and stealing our liberty, continued coexistence is only possible if we submit.

[Ender]

You can't love liberty without hating tyranny, it is an exercise in charity and mercy to expel them instead of exterminating them.
They are destroying us and stealing our liberty, continued coexistence is only possible if we submit.

Expelling the states you think are causing a problem in the dictatorship you are already in, will NOT solve the problem of the dictatorship. The "Civil" War solved that problem for you- your state no rights in "leaving" and neither does any other state.

And how many of those states have you actually been in?

[Swordsmyth]

Expelling the states you think are causing a problem in the dictatorship you are already in, will NOT solve the problem of the dictatorship. The "Civil" War solved that problem for you- your state no rights in "leaving" and neither does any other state.

And how many of those states have you actually been in?

Those states are the ones keeping it a dictatorship and expelling several will set the precedent that the union is not indivisible as well as stop their tyrannical schemes against the rest of us.

The civil war didn't change the states's right to leave Yankee.

Just what advantage is there in letting them stay?

You just want them to win so you want to keep them as a millstone around our necks.

[Ender]

Those states are the ones keeping it a dictatorship and expelling several will set the precedent that the union is not indivisible as well as stop their tyrannical schemes against the rest of us.

The civil war didn't change the states's right to leave Yankee.

Just what advantage is there in letting them stay?

You just want them to win so you want to keep them as a millstone around our necks.

Do you not know ANYTHING about history? The War Between the States change the united States of America into the United States of America, a corporation. NO state has legal authority to leave the so-called union.

And I'd say all your venom & hate is the milestone YOU are pushing. Hopefully you're soon fired for your trolling.

[Swordsmyth]

Do you not know ANYTHING about history? The War Between the States change the united States of America into the United States of America, a corporation. NO state has legal authority to leave the so-called union.

That is what Yankees like you claimed at the point of a gun, rights can't be changed that way.

They began the hate, hate for the Constitution and those of us who love it, I temper my counter-hate with mercy and charity and do not call for their extermination.

All we want is to be left alone.

What makes you oppose their expulsion?
They would be free to do as they desire and so would we.
Obviously you want them to finish conquering the rest of us and this is an idea that could bring your Jesuit masters' evil plans to a halt.

[osan]

It isn't more laws, it is enforcing the Constitution while allowing them the freedom to have the horrible governments of their choice.
Would you rather use force to overthrow their elected governments?
Or perhaps you are happy with things just the way they are, with them slowly strangling liberty in the whole country?
Your sheep's clothing is slipping.

This ancient back and forth to which men make application of their argumentative faculty - federal merit v. that of local government - makes plain the louse that is the lie of all government; of any government whatsoever. But that veil upon the mind only diverts the eye from a deeper truth that tells us it is men and only men that render vile the conditions of their self-befouled lives; for at the end of it all that blind is naught but that - the gossamer lie that a corrupted humanity accepts as real and authoritative such that they bend themselves to it no matter how debased and bankrupted the result that drives them into contemptuous ruin and misery, bringing forth the fruits of desolation upon their liberty.

[Ender]

That is what Yankees like you claimed at the point of a gun, rights can't be changed that way.

They began the hate, hate for the Constitution and those of us who love it, I temper my counter-hate with mercy and charity and do not call for their extermination.

All we want is to be left alone.

What makes you oppose their expulsion?
They would be free to do as they desire and so would we.
Obviously you want them to finish conquering the rest of us and this is an idea that could bring your Jesuit masters' evil plans to a halt.

No argument for your hate spew so it's name-calling & insult time, I see.

I'll just repeat this:

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

[Swordsmyth]

No argument for your hate spew so it's name-calling & insult time, I see.

I'll just repeat this:

How about we go back to the original Federation of States?

The original "Union" of the states was that every State was separate and could run itself whatever way it wanted, by the local community. The CONstitution started the path toward a controlling Central Gov that would rule as it pleased.

The "Civil" War cemented that.

What we have now is a phony left/right sealed by an elite central gov that rules everything while letting the fooled think they have a choice.

And I'll just repeat this: It is the deep blue states that will never let that happen, we can only achieve that by expelling them first.


But you know that, that is why you oppose expelling them.

[Ender]

And I'll just repeat this: It is the deep blue states that will never let that happen, we can only achieve that by expelling them first.


But you know that, that is why you oppose expelling them.

Insults & innuendos- oh my!

[TheTexan]

Doing this would be the end of Rand's career.

Rand still has a bright future with many years left of being a senator.

Let's not ruin that by asking him to do something that might make a difference.