Trump indictment #1: Stormy Daniels hush money [Manhattan NYC]

[Weston White]

He wasn't entitled to them once he left office.

The president can declassify any document they desire by mere thought alone, sure there is a process to officially record their decision, but that is merely procedural and discretionary, it's not a criminal matter. The precedent was established by Bill Clinton who was found to have hidden classified documents in his sock drawer after he was succeeded by the next dimwitted President "W."

Meanwhile, the real concern on classified document abuses pertains to sleepy Joe's possession of hundreds of classified documents (from his time as VP) having been discovered in unsecured areas about multiple states along with him and his families links to China and Ukraine and all the funneling of massive sums of money and Hunter's laptop from hell, kiddie porn, illegal weapons possession, and serious drug abuses. As well all of Hiltardery Clinton's multitude of blatant criminal violations.

Absolute B.S. There is no "established procedure" for a Vice President to unilaterally throw out certified electors. Or do you think Biden could have done so in January 2017 and declared Clinton the winner?

You really should stop swallowing the BS that the cable news shows shovels at you. (It only makes you look foolish, and believe me you most certainly don't need anymore help in that arena!)

There was nobody in the Trump administration calling for any such thing to occur. Trump was calling only for Pence (and the House) to postpone the certification process for about a month while they initiate the process to begin an investigation into flagrant and obvious election fraud.

Why, Hillary was the one who manufactured, lied, and funded the Russia, Russia, Russia election interference hogwash, she is the one who engaged in fraud and deceived voters, see: https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...b55e9260b13e93

That dumb slag-a-hor should be sitting behind prison bars right now, just like the entire Biden family should also be sitting along side her.

See: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ctory-to-trump

See: '2000 Mules' by Dinesh D'souza

See: https://www.azmirror.com/2023/03/22/...ection-claims/


Also related, see the fraud that's been coming to light in George: https://www.infowars.com/posts/georg...ay-in-atlanta/

[Cleaner44]

Yeah, that's pretty stupid. It certainly isn't what I said. But whatever. If controlled opposition is too adult a concept for you, that's the breaks. Controlled opposition is too adult a concept for most people, and that's what they're counting on.



Of course it is.

It's a damned sight too obvious.



No. We did that. Us. In 2008 and 2012.

There was no way to win any Republican's confidence after Ron Paul without acknowledging certain very obvious things. They knew that, as surely as Trump did.

Sun Tsu wouldn't approve of the way you're underestimating the enemy. Fortunately, there are such things as Republicans with critical thinking skills. So I don't think all of George Soros' District Attorneys can put him back together again.

I am not claiming you said anything, I just know that you have expressed a vague belief that Trump is likely a controlled opposition asset. I think everyone here comprehends the "adult" concept of controlled opposition. I just disagree with your insinuation that Trump is in cahoots with TPTB as an instrument of controlled opposition. It seems really really dumb to me. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you are right, but it really seems absurd to me.

Is there actual controlled opposition in our world? Yes of course.

Is Trump a secret agent for Soros or whatever your theory might be? I seriously doubt it.

We as Ron Paul supporters did a lot of great work and set the table for Trump in my opinion, but we really didn't reach the masses like Trump did. We were dismissed by the masses. We were defeated. We didn't win anything unfortunately. We did get Rand, Massie and Amash in place, but that is still very minor. We participated in a couple of fun campaigns and educated some people but didn't really accomplish all that much. Our enemies rolled over us... its sad but true. I suppose there are a couple of people out there that remember the phrase Austrian Economics though...

Those were fun times though.

[acptulsa]

Our enemies rolled over us... its sad but true.

That has nothing to do with it. It's not only irrelevant, it rises to the level of psyop; I call unmitigated bull on the presumption that you can't make a difference without being declared The Winner. That's Marxist psychological warfare, reinforcing the notion that only the powerful can make a difference. We moved the conversation forward to a point where anyone spouting the same old platitudes as McCain and Romney would be laughed at. Ron Paul did that, and we did that, spent two presidential election cycles doing that back when Trump was still on a game show firing contestants.

I refuse to lionize him by giving him credit for things Ron Paul did and we did. You may suit yourself, but I'm not going to be quiet about disagreeing. Your message sounds to me like, Trump can't be controlled opposition because he opened Pandora's Box. The premise is beyond faulty. You don't have to win any nominations to open Pandora's Box. Ron Paul opened Pandora's Box. Trump merely made use of a few of the things that flew out, because without that, nobody would have bought even Trump brand bull$#@! after 2008 and 2012 turned presidential primaries back into adult conversations.

Back when Trump was a game show host.

[Cleaner44]

That has nothing to do with it. It's not only irrelevant, it rises to the level of psyop; I call unmitigated bull on the presumption that you can't make a difference without being declared The Winner. That's Marxist psychological warfare, reinforcing the notion that only the powerful can make a difference. We moved the conversation forward to a point where anyone spouting the same old platitudes as McCain and Romney would be laughed at. Ron Paul did that, and we did that, spent two presidential election cycles doing that back when Trump was still on a game show firing contestants.

I refuse to lionize him by giving him credit for things Ron Paul did and we did. You may suit yourself, but I'm not going to be quiet about disagreeing. Your message sounds to me like, Trump can't be controlled opposition because he opened Pandora's Box. The premise is beyond faulty. You don't have to win any nominations to open Pandora's Box. Ron Paul opened Pandora's Box. Trump merely made use of a few of the things that flew out, because without that, nobody would have bought even Trump brand bull$#@! after 2008 and 2012 turned presidential primaries back into adult conversations.

Back when Trump was a game show host.

That is what I mean when I said we as Ron Paul supporters did a lot of great work and set the table for Trump.

Nobody should give Trump credit for what Ron Paul did. Trump should get credit for what he did.

I am not saying Trump can't be controlled opposition, I am just saying that the chances are very very low in my opinion and holding the opinion that he is... sounds very dumb to me.

[Occam's Banana]

The further adventures of Alvin Bragg:

• Manhattan DA Ends Andrew Cuomo Nursing-Home Probe
• NYC-Soros funded, first black Manhattan DA, will no longer prosecute armed robbery crimes
• Manhattan DA Charges Bodega Worker with Murder After Stabbing Violent Ex-Con in Self-Defense
• NYC-Gang of Yoofs set man's hair on fire, bystander who helps gets beaten, suspects let go

Manhattan garage worker charged with attempted murder after shooting thief

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/statu...55903092408320

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[A Son of Liberty]

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Dear God... glad I've been to NYC already, because there is no way I would go back to that city with that lunatic in charge of "the law".

[Anti Federalist]

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I just gave that it's own thread, but honestly did not read it here first...it popped up in my news feed.

[Anti Federalist]

Dear God... glad I've been to NYC already, because there is no way I would go back to that city with that lunatic in charge of "the law".

It's 1975 all over again.

That $#@!hole is borderline psychotic at all times anyway.

Add a Marxist criminal lunatic as DA and of course al hell will break loose.

And of course, if you raise a finger to protect yourself against it, you'll find yourself going to jail.

It's just another angle of the Marxist war on objective reality.

[acptulsa]

Nobody should give Trump credit for what Ron Paul did. Trump should get credit for what he did.

Like debt? Like bump stop bans by executive order? Like corporate welfare for manufacturers of poison? Like telling Thomas Massie to sit down and shut up while Pelosi tried to usurp the Constitution?

Should he get credit for all the things he did? Or should we keep making excuses for half of it? Nobody should give Trump credit for what Paul did, but do we keep giving Munchen and Bolton and Fauci credit for what Trump did?

It's just another angle of the Marxist war on objective reality.

Like the way they gloss over the crap Trump really did, because they wanted him to do that, and charge him with stuff he didn't do, so he can be cleansed of all his real sins with an innocent verdict on their made-up stuff?

... sounds very dumb to me.

The person who sees the fox come up with a rabbit, and still thinks he was crazy to dive snout-first into the snow, sounds very dumb to me. I guess dumb is in the eye of the beholder now.

O Orange Daddy, you failed to save the FRN, failed to end a single war and left it to a senile moron to bungle the retreat, gave billions to murderers, buried sixty in Las Vegas without a shred of serious investigation, and put an old drunkard in charge of cleaning up our elections. Please may we have some more? I just know if we do the same thing again, we'll get different results! Doesn't just sound dumb to me. Sounds like the definition of insanity.

[Cleaner44]

Like debt? Like bump stop bans by executive order? Like corporate welfare for manufacturers of poison? Like telling Thomas Massie to sit down and shut up while Pelosi tried to usurp the Constitution?

Should he get credit for all the things he did? Or should we keep making excuses for half of it?



Like the way they gloss over the crap Trump really did, because they wanted him to do that, and charge him with stuff he didn't do, so he can be cleansed of all his real sins with an innocent verdict on their made-up stuff?



The person who sees the fox come up with a rabbit, and still thinks he was crazy to dive snout-first into the snow, sounds very dumb to me. I guess dumb is in the eye of the beholder now.

Yes he should get credit for all the things he did, good and bad. You appear to have a case of TDS that won't allow you to see anything good though.

I am open to your conspiracy theory that Trump is a secret mole of TPTB controlled opposition task force, but I haven't seen any credible evidence to support the concept. Until I do, it will continue to appear as a far fetched theory of the Orange Man Bad crowd.

[acptulsa]

You appear to have a case of TDS that won't allow you to see anything good though.

I am open to your conspiracy theory that Trump is a secret mole of TPTB controlled opposition task force, but I haven't seen any credible evidence to support the concept.

But I can see that Trump was marginally better than a senile pedophile. I can see that. But just look at all the stuff you can't see. Like all that laundry list of usurpations and abuses I just listed right here in this thread, that you can't even acknowledge. And if you can see it, how is it possible you want to subject us to more?

Just who is deranged over this tool, again? Credible evidence. There's no such thing, if it implicates Trump, amiright? Have you ever seen evidence that Trump ever did the slightest shady thing that you could bear to believe? The Master of the Art of the Deal and Very Stable Genius was suckered by Fauci (unlike all us "conspiracy theorists" who "sound dumb" but mysteriously never bought the bull), and that's a valid excuse for Trillions for Poison, amiright? I'm not the one with kinky blinders on, cuck.

Cuck. Derangement. You Trump fanatics are worse than Marxists about accusing all the world around you of your own sins.

You know, there were lots of people who couldn't bring themselves to admit that "law and order candidate" Nixon suckered them. But we were nice to them, because they weren't crazy enough to try to shove the crooked bastard back down our throats after we had regurgitated him.

"There's nothing wrong with this country that repeating the mistakes of 2019-2020 won't fix." Is that what you're saying? Because that's what I'm hearing. This makes me deranged?

[TheCount]

The president can declassify any document they desire by mere thought alone, sure there is a process to officially record their decision, but that is merely procedural and discretionary, it's not a criminal matter.

If those documents are declassified, how do I go about requesting copies of them?

[Cleaner44]

But I can see that Trump was marginally better than a senile pedophile. I can see that. But just look at all the stuff you can't see. Like all that laundry list of usurpations and abuses I just listed right here in this thread, that you can't even acknowledge. And if you can see it, how is it possible you want to subject us to more?

Just who is deranged over this tool, again? Credible evidence. There's no such thing, if it implicates Trump, amiright? Have you ever seen evidence that Trump ever did the slightest shady thing that you could bear to believe? The Master of the Art of the Deal and Very Stable Genius was suckered by Fauci (unlike all us "conspiracy theorists" who "sound dumb" but mysteriously never bought the bull), and that's a valid excuse for Trillions for Poison, amiright? I'm not the one with kinky blinders on, cuck.

Cuck. Derangement. You Trump fanatics are worse than Marxists about accusing all the world around you of your own sins.

You know, there were lots of people who couldn't bring themselves to admit that "law and order candidate" Nixon suckered them. But we were nice to them, because they weren't crazy enough to try to shove the crooked bastard back down our throats after we had regurgitated him.

"There's nothing wrong with this country that repeating the mistakes of 2019-2020 won't fix." Is that what you're saying? Because that's what I'm hearing. This makes me deranged?

You are whacked. You keep asking amiright... well no you aren't right about nearly any of my views. I don't know where the bad man touched you but keep assigning your weird assumptions on me that are not accurate at all. I'm sorry that someone hurt you but you can stop putting your hangups on me.

It is unfortunate that you keep hearing things that I'm NOT saying because that make conversing with you a waste of time.

Human emotion is a cool thing but it sometimes prevents people from using their logic. This is why we as libertarians probably will never beat the statists, because we could explain Austrian economics all days long and get others to agree with us, and then in the next moment they will just revert back to some emotional plea to do something for the children or whatever.

Emotion > Logic

[A Son of Liberty]

If those documents are declassified, how do I go about requesting copies of them?

File a FOIA request. Please let us (honestly) know what you turn up.

[acptulsa]

You are whacked. You keep asking amiright... well no you aren't right about nearly any of my views. I don't know where the bad man touched you but keep assigning your weird assumptions on me that are not accurate at all. I'm sorry that someone hurt you but you can stop putting your hangups on me.

It is unfortunate that you keep hearing things that I'm NOT saying because that make conversing with you a waste of time.

Human emotion is a cool thing but it sometimes prevents people from using their logic...

Oh? Tell me more, professor.

So what is it about Trump that triggers this interesting emotional response in you? Because your unshakable faith isn't based on his campaign promises (you have to be ignoring half of them) nor his voting record, nor anything else real and quantifiable.

This is an entertaining conversation. I talk facts and the man's record. Then you accuse me of being emotional as if you had brought a single hard data point to the conversation, and act as if you could possibly logically reach the conclusions you reach without holding the views I mentioned.

[Cleaner44]

Oh? Tell me more, professor.

So what is it about Trump that triggers this interesting emotional response in you? Because your unshakable faith isn't based on his campaign promises (you have to be ignoring half of them) nor his voting record, nor anything else real and quantifiable.

This is an entertaining conversation. I talk facts and the man's record. Then you accuse me of being emotional as if you had brought a single hard data point to the conversation, and act as if you could possibly logically reach the conclusions you reach without holding the views I mentioned.

You remind me of this woman interviewing Jordan Peterson. It is a pointless conversation as you are operating in your own reality and assigning positions to me that I don't hold. Seems kind of collectivist to me.

[acptulsa]

You remind me of this woman interviewing Jordan Peterson. It is a pointless conversation as you are operating in your own reality and assigning positions to me that I don't hold.

Since, logically, you couldn't possibly say the things you say and not hold those positions, I have to agree that the conversation is pointless.

A reality where it is possible for Trump to simultaneously be the genius and the sucker he must be to fit your narrative is indeed not any reality I'm familiar with. Must be an interesting place.

[Cleaner44]

Since, logically, you couldn't possibly say the things you say and not hold those positions, I have to agree that the conversation is pointless.

A reality where it is possible for Trump to simultaneously be the genius and the sucker he must be to fit your narrative is indeed not any reality I'm familiar with. Must be an interesting place.

Yes Cathy, that must be my narrative.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status...40555736969216

[acptulsa]

Yes Cathy, that must be my narrative.

Whatever else your narrative is, it isn't science fiction. That stuff is at least slightly plausible. In some fundamental way, it makes enough sense that it could conceivably happen.

[vita3]

Give this guy your $$$$$$$$$$

[Cleaner44]

Whatever else your narrative is, it isn't science fiction. That stuff is at least slightly plausible. In some fundamental way, it makes enough sense that it could conceivably happen.

Yes Cathy.

[Anti Globalist]

Give this guy your $$$$$$$$$$

Better yet, bet your entire bank account and life savings on Trump in 2024.

[Anti Federalist]

Manhattan Judge to Put ‘Gag Order’ on Donald Trump

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-donald-trump/

PAUL BOIS 2 Apr 2023

The legal team representing former President Donald Trump reportedly expects that the Manhattan judge will put a gag order on him as the case awaits trial.

A source close to the legal team told the Daily Mail the judge will take an “unprecedented step” to silence the 2024 presidential candidate. The gag order could potentially undercut his ability to campaign on the issue of legal corruption during the primary.

“The Trump legal team now thinks that the Manhattan judge will take the unprecedented step of silencing the presidential frontrunner with an unconstitutional gag order tomorrow,” the source said. “The Trump legal team is considering adding a First Amendment lawyer to the effort to combat this and will fight it all the way.”

Trump breaking the gag order could potentially see him slapped with a $1,000 fine and as many as 30 days in jail, per New York law. Despite the pending order, the former president still plans to make a speech at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday evening after peacefully submitting himself to the prosecution in New York. Per the Associated Press:

Trump will hold the event at his Mar-a-Lago club after returning from Manhattan, where he is expected to voluntarily turn himself in. He is expected to be joined in Florida by supporters as he tries to project an image of strength and defiance and turn the charges into a political asset to boost his 2024 presidential campaign.

Trump aides and lawyers had been going back and forth over the wisdom of his appearing before reporters after the arraignment as they grasped the news of an indictment that caught many of them by surprise. Trump has been catapulted back into the headlines by the criminal charges and he relishes media attention, and while some of his lawyers would have preferred he stay silent, his campaign believes the development has energized his supporters.

His legal team also plans to file a motion to have the case dismissed immediately.

“We will take the indictment. We will dissect it,” Trump’s attorney Joe Tacopina told CNN on Sunday morning. “The team will look at every, every potential issue that we will be able to challenge, and we will challenge. And of course, I very much anticipate a motion to dismiss coming because there’s no law that fits this.”

After the indictment was handed down last week, legal experts floated the idea that Bragg would implement a gag order.

“I think it’s not only a possibility, but it’s extremely likely that there will be a gag order in the case,” Duncan Levin, a former federal prosecutor with the Department of Justice, told Insider. “Gag orders are very common in criminal cases, particularly in cases where there is an enormous amount of pretrial publicity like this one.”

As Breitbart News reported, the indictment has catapulted the former president in the 2024 primary polls, putting him well ahead of his closest potential opponent, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

[acptulsa]

As Breitbart News reported, the indictment has catapulted the former president in the 2024 primary polls, putting him well ahead of his closest potential opponent, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

But no one could possibly have even foreseen this, much less have indicted him by design to achieve this effect. Just not possible. Amiright?

How do we keep getting fresh crops year after year of Republican voters which are such chumps?

[Sonny Tufts]

There was nobody in the Trump administration calling for any such thing to occur. Trump was calling only for Pence (and the House) to postpone the certification process for about a month while they initiate the process to begin an investigation into flagrant and obvious election fraud.

Neither Pence nor the House had the authority to postpone the process. It's obvious you have never read the Electoral Count Act and are oblivious to the fact that on January 6 it was too late to contest the selection of the electors. The only thing that could be contested at that point was that an elector's vote wasn't "regularly given" -- e.g., that the elector had been bribed to vote for Biden.

If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned. 3 USC §5

...no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected... 3 USC §15

[Anti Federalist]

But no one could possibly have even foreseen this, much less have indicted him by design to achieve this effect. Just not possible. Amiright?

How do we keep getting fresh crops year after year of Republican voters which are such chumps?

Anything is possible in this day and age.

But I don't think that what is going on here: that is, an elaborate scheme to throw him in jail and "gag" him, so as to perversely increase his support.

A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.

The Marxist left has taken control of the law enforcement and judicial apparatus of this country, and rightly or wrongly they perceive Trump to be the biggest threat to them.

So, just like Beria in the USSR, they will manufacture whatever crime they need to silence and imprison him before 2024.

Tell you the truth, I'm flabbergasted they haven't just shot him.

He must have some top notch private security.

[CaptUSA]

Anything is possible in this day and age.

But I don't think that what is going on here: that is, an elaborate scheme to throw him in jail and "gag" him, so as to perversely increase his support.

A cigar is sometimes just a cigar.

The Marxist left has taken control of the law enforcement and judicial apparatus of this country, and rightly or wrongly they perceive Trump to be the biggest threat to them.

So, just like Beria in the USSR, they will manufacture whatever crime they need to silence and imprison him before 2024.

Tell you the truth, I'm flabbergasted they haven't just shot him.

He must have some top notch private security.

Well, he has the Secret Service. If they "allowed" anything to happen to him, there'd be scrutiny on the agency. Besides, they don't want him to be a matyr - they want to degrade and humiliate him so that no future donor starts thinking they can cut out the middle man of power.

[acptulsa]

Anything is possible in this day and age.

But I don't think that what is going on here: that is, an elaborate scheme to throw him in jail and "gag" him, so as to perversely increase his support.

A cigar is sometimes just a cigar...

Tell you the truth, I'm flabbergasted they haven't just shot him.

Well, if I was trying to help you see the truth about 9/11, I'd say, the fact that this detail leaves you flabbergasted might just be due to a flaw in your underlying theory. It fits my underlying theory like a Trojan fits a sausage.

[vita3]

"Tell you the truth, I'm flabbergasted they haven't just shot him."

that's really dumb talk. He's the best thing to happen to the media in a decade.

Plus the cabal of D's & R's know he's all smoke & hot air... they can do whatever they want & fools just blindly pay attention to the Trump circus & they continue to get away with it all.