Yes Rand Paul, there is an emergency at our border!

[Swordsmyth]

That's Politics.

No, that is conquest and a death knell for liberty.
We have a right to prevent it.

[CaptUSA]

Imagine the gall of some people posting about Ron Paul's positions on a site dedicated to the positions of Ron Paul.

[Swordsmyth]

Imagine the gall of some people posting about Ron Paul's positions on a site dedicated to the positions of Ron Paul.

Imagine the gall of people putting positions in Ron's mouth that he never held.

[acptulsa]

That's Politics.

No, that is conquest and a death knell for liberty.
We have a right to prevent it.

That's what he said. People are distracted from the serious problems and their real causes, and growling at each other and turning a blind eye toward the real causes and real abuses--including violations of the constitution.

Yeah. That's politics. And the suckers are all suckered in.

Imagine the gall of people putting positions in Ron's mouth that he never held.

His position on the boondogwall is abundantly clear. You ought to know, that was one of the many things that you said was one of the few things he was wrong about. So who's deliberately misrepresenting his view?

[CCTelander]

Imagine the gall of some people posting about Ron Paul's positions on a site dedicated to the positions of Ron Paul.

"Ron is wrong." - Swordy

[Swordsmyth]

"Ron is wrong." - Swordy

On a few things he is or has been, the man is human.

Do you agree with his vote for the Secure Fence act?
How about his vote for the Afghan war?

[PAF]

On a few things he is or has been, the man is human.

Do you agree with his vote for the Secure Fence act?
How about his vote for the Afghan war?

There are times in everybody's life that haste has made waste. I believe Ron has had very ample time to really think things out, has more knowledge and insight about the inner workings and intent of government than ever before. He is repeatedly solid on his position about the wall, and foreign policy.

[kahless]

Sounds like the stuff you hear coming out of Progressive think tanks which can easily be debunked.

You want to know why, here is why which is completely logical.

- they do not want to be displaced becoming a stranger in their own community and unable to speak the language of the community.

- they do not want to be discriminated against in their own community since they are now outnumbered.

- they do not want to see the US end up with ethnic factions fighting one another in their communities or worse ethic or racial civil wars like the Balkans since immigration was not regulated.

- they do not want rapists, murders and various other criminals escaping from their homelands into our communities since immigration was not regulated.

- they do not want terrorists or some foreign power flooding the country with people that want to kill us since immigration was not regulated.

- they do not want to increase government spending to care for immigrants.

- they do not want people that have no concept of liberty fundamentally changing this country politically by eventually voting for an anti-liberty political system.

It is not all that hard to figure out.

Pretext. We've had "little Italy" and "little Chinatown" and "little fill in the blank." By the 2nd or third generation English is the first language of all descendants of immigrants.

So? Does that make it right we should flood white neighborhoods today until only a few remain that are isolated surrounded by a different culture and language, ultimately becoming foreigners in their own community? Not much difference between European cultures and the Chinese have been pretty strictly in their own little communites.

Pretext. Violent crime has continued to go down all the while people are freaking out more and more about immigration.

Violent or non-violent they do not want rapists, murders and various other criminals escaping from their homelands into our communities since immigration was not regulated.

Pretext. All of the foreign terrorists have been let in through legal means. No cases of Habib coming in through Mexico and hijacking a plane. The evidence points to Habib being brought in by the CIA.

All that we know about.

And yet they oppose H1B visas which only go to gainfully employed immigrants who have to leave the country if they lose their job. Another pretext.

Policy that promotes choosing citizens in foreign countries over our own is the definition of betrayal of the people living here. We are seeing more and more people calling politicians out for this betrayal and some calling the politicians that do it traitors. Another reason why the politicians that support it days in politics are numbered.

- they do not want people that have no concept of liberty fundamentally changing this country politically by eventually voting for an anti-liberty political system.

And so they support face scanning cameras and unbridled presidential power, fundamentally changing the country as far as liberty is concerned, to "save" us from anti liberty voters. Ummmm....okay.

They support allowing the President to use emergency powers to stop an invasion of what was described above. If open borders people really were worried about unbridled Presidential power and face scanning or what have you, they would have been wise not to push their agenda so far to enable those risks. But it is the same people pushing for open borders that typically want those things and unbridled Presidential power for non-emergencies.

[Stratovarious]

Imagine the gall of some people posting about Ron Paul's positions on a site dedicated to the positions of Ron Paul.

Wut in the hell is that supposed to 'meme' , oh yea right , Open Society. GOt it.

[kahless]

Imagine the gall of some people posting about Ron Paul's positions on a site dedicated to the positions of Ron Paul.

You mean like this?

http://web.archive.org/web/200803121...ration-reform/

The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

-- Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.

-- Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.

-- No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.

-- No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.

-- End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. Illegally will remain strong.

-- Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods.

[PAF]

Actually, like this:

[Stratovarious]

That's what he said. People are distracted from the serious problems and their real causes, and growling at each other and turning a blind eye toward the real causes and real abuses--including violations of the constitution.

Yeah. That's politics. And the suckers are all suckered in.



His position on the boondogwall is abundantly clear. You ought to know, that was one of the many things that you said was one of the few things he was wrong about. So who's deliberately misrepresenting his view?

No.
''That's what she said''

Millions of potential invaders is not a distraction, it's war.

[kahless]

Then there is Ron Paul 2012.
http://web.archive.org/web/201201050...s/immigration/

A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY

A nation without borders is no nation at all.

It just doesn’t make sense to fight terrorists abroad while leaving our front door unlocked.

Unfortunately, for far too long, neither major political party has had the courage to do what is necessary to tackle the problem.

Instead, we’re presented with so-called “solutions” that involve amnesty proposals or further restricting Americans’ civil liberties through programs like REAL ID.

Ron Paul opposes both of these schemes and believes they will only make illegal immigration and the problems associated with it worse. He has been proud to see states exercising their Tenth Amendment rights and protecting their citizens by refusing to comply with the unconstitutional REAL ID law.

While the federal government neglects its constitutional responsibility to protect our borders, it continues to push mandates on the states to provide free education and medical care to illegal immigrants at a time when the states are drowning in debt. This must not be tolerated any longer.

Like most Americans, Ron Paul also understands just how valuable legal immigration is to our country.

Immigrants who want to work hard, obey our laws, and live the American Dream have always been great assets.

COMMON SENSE REFORMS

If elected President, Ron Paul will work to implement the following common sense reforms:

* Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

* No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

* Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

* End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.

* Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.

As long as our borders remain wide open, the security and safety of the American people are at stake.

As President, Ron Paul will address immigration by fighting for effective solutions that protect our nation, uphold the rule of law, and respect every American citizen’s civil liberties.

[kahless]

Actually, like this:

From video.

I do not believe in free open borders either

I agree with him however they will still come in mass despite cutting off incentives. Ron does not provide solutions in that video other than that. He leaves himself either open to interpretation or misinterpretation or that he is contradicting his two previous campaign platforms in 2008/2012 posted above to "do whatever it takes to secure the border".

[CaptUSA]

From video.

You realize that many of us do not believe in free open borders, right? That's just something the government shills say to put fear into you so that you'll want to give government more power. Go back and see the Bastiat quote I posted earlier. The socialists always misrepresent the liberty position. Always.

And there is no contradiction in his position, only your interpretation of it.

[jmdrake]

So? Does that make it right we should flood white neighborhoods today until only a few remain that are isolated surrounded by a different culture and language, ultimately becoming foreigners in their own community? Not much difference between European cultures and the Chinese have been pretty strictly in their own little communites.

Should I be trying to stop the white people from moving into my historically black neighborhood? Seriously did you not realize how racist you are sounding right now? No, you probably don't. Here is the thing. People can buy property and move where they want to move. Nothing is permanent. Not even this entire planet.

Violent or non-violent they do not want rapists, murders and various other criminals escaping from their homelands into our communities since immigration was not regulated.

When has immigration not been regulated? Oh yeah. Back when the waves of white immigrants came to this country. And many of them were criminals.

All that we know about.

So the Ron Paul movement is dead and people like you killed it. Seriously. We survived the "Let's give up freedom for security" even in the wake of the 9/11 hysteria, but now nearly 20 years late, let's give up freedom for security for non existent foreign terrorist that you think might exist. Okay.

Policy that promotes choosing citizens in foreign countries over our own is the definition of betrayal of the people living here. We are seeing more and more people calling politicians out for this betrayal and some calling the politicians that do it traitors. Another reason why the politicians that support it days in politics are numbered.

And ^this shows that all of that "We just want to keep out the criminals, terrorists, and welfare recipients" argument that you and others are floating is just a pretext. Really it's what you led with. You're worried about white people being outnumbered. It matters not that certain waves of the brown people coming over might be better educated, have their own money, not need welfare, be less violent then native born Americans black or white, and might even be starting businesses and creating jobs. (I know someone in Kentucky who works at a Japanese owned factory for example.) Nope. It's really about "Our white European communities will be run over by darkies! What to do?" Still, I'm glad you were at least honest about that. And again. White people are taking over my black community. And I don't really care.

They support allowing the President to use emergency powers to stop an invasion of what was described above.

Right. Because they want their communities to remain white. And I really don't care to cater to their racism. But again, thanks for being honest.

[Swordsmyth]

Should I be trying to stop the white people from moving into my historically black neighborhood? Seriously did you not realize how racist you are sounding right now? No, you probably don't. Here is the thing. People can buy property and move where they want to move. Nothing is permanent. Not even this entire planet.



When has immigration not been regulated? Oh yeah. Back when the waves of white immigrants came to this country. And many of them were criminals.



So the Ron Paul movement is dead and people like you killed it. Seriously. We survived the "Let's give up freedom for security" even in the wake of the 9/11 hysteria, but now nearly 20 years late, let's give up freedom for security for non existent foreign terrorist that you think might exist. Okay.



And ^this shows that all of that "We just want to keep out the criminals, terrorists, and welfare recipients" argument that you and others are floating is just a pretext. Really it's what you led with. You're worried about white people being outnumbered. It matters not that certain waves of the brown people coming over might be better educated, have their own money, not need welfare, be less violent then native born Americans black or white, and might even be starting businesses and creating jobs. (I know someone in Kentucky who works at a Japanese owned factory for example.) Nope. It's really about "Our white European communities will be run over by darkies! What to do?" Still, I'm glad you were at least honest about that. And again. White people are taking over my black community. And I don't really care.





Right. Because they want their communities to remain white. And I really don't care to cater to their racism. But again, thanks for being honest.

Letting foreign communists invade is not choosing freedom and keeping them out is choosing both freedom and security.

[Swordsmyth]

You realize that many of us do not believe in free open borders, right? That's just something the government shills say to put fear into you so that you'll want to give government more power. Go back and see the Bastiat quote I posted earlier. The socialists always misrepresent the liberty position. Always.

And there is no contradiction in his position, only your interpretation of it.

You claim you don't believe in open borders but you insist on every open borders policy and oppose all border security.

[CaptUSA]

Government created problems do NOT need government solutions. (which are really just more government problems with better marketing campaigns.)

[PAF]

You realize that many of us do not believe in free open borders, right? That's just something the government shills say to put fear into you so that you'll want to give government more power. Go back and see the Bastiat quote I posted earlier. The socialists always misrepresent the liberty position. Always.

And there is no contradiction in his position, only your interpretation of it.

+ REP


What's great about being principled is that these shills can't shake us

[jmdrake]

From video.



I agree with him however they will still come in mass despite cutting off incentives. Ron does not provide solutions in that video other than that. He leaves himself either open to interpretation or misinterpretation or that he is contradicting his two previous campaign platforms in 2008/2012 posted above to "do whatever it takes to secure the border".

Ron's solutions will not prevent white communities from not forever remaining majority white. Got it. Ron would allow in people who work hard, are well educated and don't need welfare but that's not good enough for you. Got it.

True story. My aunt bought a house in a majority white community when my cousin was in college in another city and she kept it after my cousin graduated. She always had good relations with her neighbors. She rented it out to several different black families. One day in between renters one of the neighbors came by. He said "I know this is going to sound odd. You've always been a good neighbor and your renters have always been good. But my children are starting to be minorities in the school they go to. Would you mind renting to a white family?" Well my aunt just laughed at the suggestion. But she turned the house over to a property manager who rented to a white family without my aunt asking him to do so. Only this family were like the "greasers" from that movie "The Outsiders." They were literally running a shade tree mechanic shop in the back yard, parking on the grass, playing their music loud etc. Eventually that same neighbor approached my aunt and said "I know this is going to sound odd....but could you get some more black renters?"

[Swordsmyth]

Government created problems do NOT need government solutions. (which are really just more government problems with better marketing campaigns.)

This is not a government created problem, it is a government exaggerated problem, we must make the government stop exaggerating it and deal with it as they are mandated to do and refuse to do.

[jmdrake]

Letting foreign communists invade is not choosing freedom and keeping them out is choosing both freedom and security.

Another pretext. Kahless was at least honest about what this is really about.

Does that make it right we should flood white neighborhoods today until only a few remain that are isolated surrounded by a different culture and language, ultimately becoming foreigners in their own community?

But again, if you don't want waves of immigrants then oppose Trump in his destabilizing Venezuela just for the oil.

[CaptUSA]

This is not a government created problem, it is a government exaggerated problem, we must make the government stop exaggerating it and deal with it as they are mandated to do and refuse to do.

By giving it more power. Got it.

[jmdrake]

You realize that many of us do not believe in free open borders, right? That's just something the government shills say to put fear into you so that you'll want to give government more power. Go back and see the Bastiat quote I posted earlier. The socialists always misrepresent the liberty position. Always.

And there is no contradiction in his position, only your interpretation of it.

You're expecting a Trumpskiite to be logical? Here is the "logic." You say that you are against Trump's emergency power grab for the border wall because it's unconstitutional. @kahless falsely accuses you of being "open borders." You point out that Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Justin Amash and Thomas Massie all agree that the Trump power grab is unconstitutional. That is all ignored but instead kahless posts a quote of Ron Paul saying he's against open borders. Classic straw man tactics. The truth is that being against an unconstitutional power grab doesn't make you pro open borders. But truth is treason in an empire of lies.

And again, Trump's foreign policy is creating the so called "border crisis."

[Swordsmyth]

Another pretext. Kahless was at least honest about what this is really about.

Does that make it right we should flood white neighborhoods today until only a few remain that are isolated surrounded by a different culture and language, ultimately becoming foreigners in their own community?

You don't get to announce that I am racist, I have always been clear about my concerns and race isn't one of them.
But you can't deal with my argument so you resort to the race card.

But again, if you don't want waves of immigrants then oppose Trump in his destabilizing Venezuela just for the oil.

I do oppose American intervention.

[jmdrake]

This is not a government created problem, it is a government exaggerated problem, we must make the government stop exaggerating it and deal with it as they are mandated to do and refuse to do.

The Obama administration created the latest waves of immigrants from central America through ill thought out foreign policy that Trump is following. Government created and is exacerbating the problem.

[Swordsmyth]

By giving it more power. Got it.

It isn't giving it more power, it already has all the power it needs to secure the border and control immigration.
All governments have the required power and always have because borders and independence/sovereignty are one of the basic purposes of government.

[Swordsmyth]

The Obama administration created the latest waves of immigrants from central America through ill thought out foreign policy that Trump is following. Government created and is exacerbating the problem.

The problem existed before that and would exist without it.

[jmdrake]

You don't get to announce that I am racist, I have always been clear about my concerns and race isn't one of them.
But you can't deal with my argument so you resort to the race card.

I didn't announce that you were a racist. You responded to a post where I was responding to what I just quoted to you. Quit being dishonest. Or at the very least quit responding without considering the context!

I do oppose American intervention.

Good for you. Then you should know the "border crisis" you are concerned about is a government created problem and not merely a government exaggerated problem.