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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
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    How about you try responding to the facts people posted in this thread that counter the MSM lies?
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I just drove through 200 miles of farmland. I saw nothing rotting in the fields. Not in four states. Not in Tennessee, Kentucky. Illinois, or Missouri.
    I often see fields that aren't fully harvested although I assume the farmers expect that. Watermelon, squash, peppers, cukes, tomato will get a lot of picking done and anything not the exact size or ripeness will then be left to rot. Once the picking is done locals will call the farmer and get permission to glean. Seems like a waste of produce but must not be profitable to do a 2nd picking.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I agree China should stop taxing our farmers. In the meantime, these farmers should adapt and find new buyers.
    Wait a minute...

    I was told our country's industries couldn't adapt. That's the whole reason for the tariffs, remember?? They say you raise tariffs because if you don't the industries wouldn't be able to adapt fast enough if another country cut off their imports to us. That's whole reason they don't want other countries selling us things for cheap. Because our industries couldn't adapt. And yet, you think farmers can adapt that fast??? Farmers rely on the seasons for their things to sell. You can build a steel plant anytime.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That's what crop insurance is for. I suspect we aren't getting the whole story here

    Another person who refuses to actually speak, just posts more crap.
    Wait- are you really insulting @AZJoe? He is one of the best & most honest posters on this forum.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Wait a minute...

    I was told our country's industries couldn't adapt. That's the whole reason for the tariffs, remember?? They say you raise tariffs because if you don't the industries wouldn't be able to adapt fast enough if another country cut off their imports to us. That's whole reason they don't want other countries selling us things for cheap. Because our industries couldn't adapt. And yet, you think farmers can adapt that fast??? Farmers rely on the seasons for their things to sell. You can build a steel plant anytime.
    Food is fungible, the price of soybeans isn't unusually low and you can't just build a steel plant any time.
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  10. #38
    Who cares? Let the GMO garbage that is turning our young men into ladyboys rot in the fields. Farmers that produce that poisonous crap should go bankrupt for the damage they're causing to people to make a buck.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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  11. #39
    oh please. No one in their right mind would even TRY to compete for that job because its undercut . most of the trade skills in arizona are undercut now, if an honest worker wanted to make a living, no one will pay that person their time and value because you have half ass $#@! services ready to undercut them by 60 percent sometimes. Flooring for instance.........guys who do specialize should be paid 3-4 dollars per square foot, but illegal immigrants undercut at 1 dollar per square foot. how? they shack up together, thats how familys on familys they can undercut that way,and its what really goes down in the ghettos. so when farmers want to pay american workers 8 dollars an hour, they are morons.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    I often see fields that aren't fully harvested although I assume the farmers expect that. Watermelon, squash, peppers, cukes, tomato will get a lot of picking done and anything not the exact size or ripeness will then be left to rot. Once the picking is done locals will call the farmer and get permission to glean. Seems like a waste of produce but must not be profitable to do a 2nd picking.
    Harvesting your corn late, or leaving a strip against a field line, is good for bringing in the deer. Farmers need to have some meat to go with those potatoes!

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
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    I hope nobody missed x-navy nuke's post which said
    Please note that the super-duper Reuters journalist who quoted the farmer, Mr. Fortenot, in the original article failed to provide the background the he plowed 300 acres of beans under last year BEFORE the tariffs went into effect.

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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I hope nobody missed x-navy nuke's post which said

    I know it's hard, but just walk away.

    One dumbass farmer and the US government decides that they need to pass out $5 - 12B in farm subsidies? No, it's a halfassed attempt to correct Trump's tariff screw ups by passing out money that they don't have. They'll just print some $FRN's up, and add it to the National Debt.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    One dumbass farmer and the US government decides that they need to pass out $5 - 12B in farm subsidies? No, it's a halfassed attempt to correct Trump's tariff screw ups by passing out money that they don't have. They'll just print some $FRN's up, and add it to the National Debt.
    Nobody supports subsidies, but it seems that the goalposts are moving. Are you mad about the price of soy, or are you mad about the subsidies? Because the focus of the article you posted isn't the subsidies, is it?

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    oh please. No one in their right mind would even TRY to compete for that job because its undercut . most of the trade skills in arizona are undercut now, if an honest worker wanted to make a living, no one will pay that person their time and value because you have half ass $#@! services ready to undercut them by 60 percent sometimes. Flooring for instance.........guys who do specialize should be paid 3-4 dollars per square foot, but illegal immigrants undercut at 1 dollar per square foot. how? they shack up together, thats how familys on familys they can undercut that way,and its what really goes down in the ghettos. so when farmers want to pay american workers 8 dollars an hour, they are morons.
    I'm doing a project on a new house construction. It's being built by a hispanic fella that owns a flooring business. It's probably a $1.25m place built on the profits of his fellow hispanics but he's also enlisted many of those same associates to build the entire house itself. So he's getting it built pretty close to cost on top of the money made from undercutting other businesses, however it's plainly obvious where corners are being cut and workmanship leaves something to be desired. I don't hate him for it and it's pretty damn smart business but I think demonstrates your point.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm doing a project on a new house construction. It's being built by a hispanic fella that owns a flooring business. It's probably a $1.25m place built on the profits of his fellow hispanics but he's also enlisted many of those same associates to build the entire house itself. So he's getting it built pretty close to cost on top of the money made from undercutting other businesses, however it's plainly obvious where corners are being cut and workmanship leaves something to be desired. I don't hate him for it and it's pretty damn smart business but I think demonstrates your point.
    And most people wouldn’t know what constitutes quality until the roof falls on their heads. Sure, if it’s cosmetic and staring a person right in the face, then they might know. Applies to anything that the consumer does not understand and can not do themselves. Construction, vehicles, assorted mechanical things, computers, plumbing, electrical, etc.

    Poor workmanship is the norm these days.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    That's what crop insurance is for. I suspect we aren't getting the whole story here

    Another person who refuses to actually speak, just posts more crap.
    This is a completely non-sensical comment by angelatc.

    • First, there is nothing stating the farmer did not have crop insurance.
    • Second, crop insurance does not haul bad crops away. The farmer would still need to do something with the crops that can’t be sold, like plow them under.
    • Third – crop insurance does not buy the crops, and does not replace profits. Crop insurance only covers actual expense losses. The profits are still lost even with crop insurance.
    • Fourth, although the crops were poor due to bad weather, the farmer stated they were still marketable as feed but for the trade war and the resultant soybean glut cause by the trade war. What would be needed here is trade-war insurance, not crop insurance for bad crops.
    • Fifth, with or without crop insurance does not make tariffs good. Tariffs are always a net negative on the economy imposing them.

    Lastly, as to "just posting crap" - please stop doing that.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Nobody supports subsidies, but it seems that the goalposts are moving. Are you mad about the price of soy, or are you mad about the subsidies? Because the focus of the article you posted isn't the subsidies, is it?
    Actually Trump does. Trump is the one who doled out $4.7 billion and then a new $12 billion in direct farm subsidies to defray the damage caused by his other subsidies - tariffs. And the Op article did discuss those direct subsidies.

    Tariffs themselves are a welfare subsidy. It is subsidizing purportedly non-competitive (although often the tariff subsidies aid very profitable business like the sugar industry) business at the expense of other businesses and consumers.

    For instance the "Great" steel tariffs are a subsidy for U.S. raw material suppliers at the expense of U.S. manufacturers that use steel (Caterpillar, John Deere, Ford, GM, Construction, Boeing, etc) that now bear the higher costs and the consumers that the costs are past onto. It subsidizes base raw materials at the expense of U.S. manufacturing.

    Tariffs are a welfare subsidy.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    This is a completely non-sensical comment by angelatc.

    • First, there is nothing stating the farmer did not have crop insurance.
    • Second, crop insurance does not haul bad crops away. The farmer would still need to do something with the crops that can’t be sold, like plow them under.
    • Third – crop insurance does not buy the crops, and does not replace profits. Crop insurance only covers actual expense losses. The profits are still lost even with crop insurance.
    • Fourth, although the crops were poor due to bad weather, the farmer stated they were still marketable as feed but for the trade war and the resultant soybean glut cause by the trade war. What would be needed here is trade-war insurance, not crop insurance for bad crops.
    • Fifth, with or without crop insurance does not make tariffs good. Tariffs are always a net negative on the economy imposing them.

    Lastly, as to "just posting crap" - please stop doing that.
    She was just trolling ya.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Actually Trump does.

    Tariffs are a welfare subsidy.
    Obviously I meant nobody here supports subsidies. Well, Zippy does, but he's a troll.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    This is a completely non-sensical comment by angelatc.

    • First, there is nothing stating the farmer did not have crop insurance.
    • Second, crop insurance does not haul bad crops away. The farmer would still need to do something with the crops that can’t be sold, like plow them under.
    • Third – crop insurance does not buy the crops, and does not replace profits. Crop insurance only covers actual expense losses. The profits are still lost even with crop insurance.
    • Fourth, although the crops were poor due to bad weather, the farmer stated they were still marketable as feed but for the trade war and the resultant soybean glut cause by the trade war. What would be needed here is trade-war insurance, not crop insurance for bad crops.
    • Fifth, with or without crop insurance does not make tariffs good. Tariffs are always a net negative on the economy imposing them.

    Lastly, as to "just posting crap" - please stop doing that.
    I posted charts showing that indicate that although the crops are off their record highs, and I also pointed out an article that another poster mentioned, in which we learned that the same farmer also had to plow his crops under the previous year before the tariffs were in effect.

    Not defending tariffs, but this is just the media exploiting the leftist tendencies some of us have.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Who cares? Let the GMO garbage that is turning our young men into ladyboys rot in the fields. Farmers that produce that poisonous crap should go bankrupt for the damage they're causing to people to make a buck.
    worth quoting cuz that's just what I was going to say.. well pretty close anyway
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm doing a project on a new house construction. It's being built by a hispanic fella that owns a flooring business. It's probably a $1.25m place built on the profits of his fellow hispanics but he's also enlisted many of those same associates to build the entire house itself. So he's getting it built pretty close to cost on top of the money made from undercutting other businesses, however it's plainly obvious where corners are being cut and workmanship leaves something to be desired. I don't hate him for it and it's pretty damn smart business but I think demonstrates your point.
    that you are a moron

  27. #53
    ^^^^^^NM, posted removed, you're a thread sliding troll. No fun.
    Last edited by devil21; 12-27-2018 at 03:55 AM.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Obviously I meant nobody here supports subsidies. Well, Zippy does, but he's a troll.
    There is a difference between supporting a subsidy and complying/utilizing what is available. No person would support not paying for goods but yet they support bankruptcy. Ron Paul himself would take money for his state. He would utilize deductions available when filing taxes. If the law exists use it until the law gets changed. Go shopping to the grocery. If you don't use coupon or store card you pay more for items. I don't like to use coupons or store card but use them because if I don't I pay more than I need to. If a family of 4 making $30,000 is capable of having food stamps or whatever it is called these days and heating assistance and choose not to do so they don't save any money for the government. All money gets spent.

    If there are programs available for poor people and you fit the criteria why not use them until they are no longer available. If you do not utilize what is available or what you qualify for it is like not taking a deduction on your income tax that you are entitled to.

    If every person utilized the programs that are available to them maybe it would go broke.

    Would you use a city, state, or national park?

    If a farmer/rancher has to comply with all the USDA or FDA regulations that are disadvantageous to their endeavor, why would they not utilize the part of a regulation that had advantage?

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    All grain depots and silos are almost full, meaning farmers have to find their own storage solutions or allow their crops to rot. Neither option is particularly palatable.
    Not particularly palatable to whom? I would think that to those who favor farm subsidies, such as Trump and I'm guessing many of these farmers themselves, these options are quite palatable, and preferable to a free market.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    It is bs . Any crop being disced into the dirt would be because it is not good enough to sell . I sold all of my beans before 11/10 and got what I expected all yr for them . Also most people do not even have a plow anymore.In the old days even damaged crop would have been used for livestock feed , there would be zero waste . Now big farmers are often more specialized and large crop farmers have no iivestock and buy food at the grocery. My Grandfather would have thought they were dull.
    yep... small family farms were diverse... grew a wide variety of crops & raised livestock... & much of the 'waste' crop was used to feed livestock... in other words, virtually no waste ... now largely taken over by factory farms that grow nothing but gmo corn, gmo soybeans & more gmo corn... no wonder they need to be subsidized.


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  33. #58
    I drove three state four different times since I sold all of my beans . I saw no crops rotting in the fields . I accept no subsidies nor have I ever . I will though be OK if @Danke wants to pick up my bar tab today & tomorrow .
    Do something Danke

  34. #59
    Eric Boehm pumping his soybean Armageddon over on Reason again today.

    Trump's Trade War Continues To Crush Soybean Farmers
    https://reason.com/2019/07/05/trumps...ybean-farmers/

    For supposedly being populated by a bunch of brilliant economic theorists, the folks over at Reason sure have a difficult time realizing that agricultural commodities are fungible. When the current Administration started pissing in China's tofu on day one, the talking heads couldn't stop pushing stories about crashing markets and farm auctions the likes of which hadn't been seen since the Great Depression. Ignore the facts and keep pumping the narrative! Reason is as bad as the rest. Instead of a crashed soybean market, last year saw record exports.

    U.S. Soy Sets Export Record in Market Year
    https://soygrowers.com/news-releases...ing-september/
    According to the U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. soybean farmers exported a record-breaking 2.6 billion bushels of U.S. soy and soy products, valued at more than $28 billion last market year. The U.S. also set a new record high in combined volume of the whole soybeans, soybean meal and soybean oil exported in 2017/2018, with soybean meal exports accounting for the greatest growth.
    Keep banging away on the keyboard Herr Doktor Boehm.
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    Eric Boehm pumping his soybean Armageddon over on Reason again today.

    Trump's Trade War Continues To Crush Soybean Farmers
    https://reason.com/2019/07/05/trumps...ybean-farmers/

    For supposedly being populated by a bunch of brilliant economic theorists, the folks over at Reason sure have a difficult time realizing that agricultural commodities are fungible. When the current Administration started pissing in China's tofu on day one, the talking heads couldn't stop pushing stories about crashing markets and farm auctions the likes of which hadn't been seen since the Great Depression. Ignore the facts and keep pumping the narrative! Reason is as bad as the rest. Instead of a crashed soybean market, last year saw record exports.

    U.S. Soy Sets Export Record in Market Year
    https://soygrowers.com/news-releases...ing-september/


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