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Lol. Still trying I see.
That is a very odd question. Since the Saudis and all of the Presidents for the last few decades have all been in bed together, what would that US intervention entail exactly? What would the goals be?Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465
I mean, I think the people there are fairly oppressed, I'm sure they might not mind the demise of the current regime, but who would replace them? An even more extreme religious sect? A pro-NATO US puppet? I'm not sure that the outcome of that would be very fruitful, but it is an interesting question to ponder.
I've never lived under the type of oppressive conditions that many Saudis and people in other countries have had to live under.. I mean, we have our problems with the police state and high taxation, but there is high standard of living and freedom to travel and do a lot of things that people in Saudi Arabia can't do, like, for example not be Muslim. I don't think you have lived under these type of conditions either, but I can imagine those people would appreciate assistance if the people who gave it had good intentions and were able to deliver improved freedoms and living conditions.. neither of which are guaranteed.
For example I already brought up that France helped us during the Revolutionary War. Of course it would definitely be preferable if it were all done voluntarily. But yes, a free society, a moral people could help others who are struggling in other countries.
But let's go back to the part about the people helping having good intentions.. I don't think any of the administrations in decades ultimately had any good intentions.. I mean, did you really buy that stuff about us going over to Iraq to free the people? I thought Bush and his admin were the most evil guy on the planet at that time, of course he wasn't going to have good intentions, or motivations, and of course Iraq would end up worse off - of course the military industrial complex would profit - of course the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands if not millions..
So no, in the past, not only was I against intervention, I knew it would always end horribly. With Trump, sure I'm a little wary and prefer a purely non-interventionist approach, but it is yet to be seen, and so far is mostly restrained to rooting out ISIS and a very small scale attack on Syria for an alleged war crime (which I know is bull$#@!, but at least it only led to a 15 minute attack on an airbase and not an entire military boondoggle).
I already answered that question above, but to elaborate, the US is no longer completely under the rule of the deep state or the neocons. They still run the thing, but the President for the first time in a long time is not deep state, but America first.Are you really derp enough to believe that the US has the people of an attacked nation's interests (if they could ever be collectivized in such a way to make it even possible) at heart?
Am I in the North Korean military? Am I brainwashed or am I just scared $#@!less of going against the emperor?They might, if you had your wish as a North Korean citizen, murder your entire family in an errant strike or kick door mission. Might your ignorant ass feel differently if that were the very possible case?
I don't think we are going to be responsible for replacing the guy .......... but I'm pretty sure his replacement is not going to be as ruthless of a dictator as KJU.. Maybe China will adopt them or something, I dunno. But I mean, North Korea is a pretty horrible place under pretty horrific rule. It's not like you have to make up stories about babies being thrown out of incubators or use a false flag terrorist attack to make them look bad, North Korea makes themselves look bad enough.Or when the puppet they backed secret intelligence agency poured boiling water onto your genitalia, would it snap you out of your Trump humping ignorance?
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More pushback against the neocons. I'm sure they are appalled at this...
Mordan on Ron Paul: "But with Trump specifically he decided that Trump was just as bad as Hillary. He is a senile moron for saying that."
Somewhere in North Korea in a candle lit room Kim Jong Un says to his state sponsored propaganda media outlet "The greatest thing I could do is shoot that aircraft carrier that's offshore right out of the water"
Okay, I'm sorry. This is truly the most idiotic thing I've read this week. I've read more intelligent comments on Salon.com
Be careful when you pry my gun from my cold dead hands, the barrel will be hot.
This is because you are brainwashed by fakenews deep state propaganda. Do some yoga and get high a while, hopefully President Donald will remove these evil dictators, because their people are begging us to bomb the $#@! out of them.
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
It's very telling that some people here are manipulating what I said into something completely different.. I count two different posters on this page, and one of them was a quote taken completely out of context.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
dannno has always had one leg hovering over the deep end. it was only a matter of time for him to take the plunge
Yeah... he only murdered about a dozen Syrian military and a few civilians.... I mean... at LEAST it's not a full scale boondoggle. Easily justifiable murder in order to MAGA
-Major General Smedley Butler, USMC,There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
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I must side with danno here, as he is the logical one. At least IMHO
The Navy is saying they don't know why these reports are being circulated and they're not true. Even the original Vinson report is being questioned. I'm more inclined to believe the Navy than I am to believe Trump and the media. Big distraction maybe? 10 days until fed.gov is basically broke...see my thread on debt ceiling stuff.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...les-from-korea
For more than a week, media reports in the U.S. and around Asia routinely have mentioned the approach of the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson's carrier strike group, seemingly implying an attack on North Korea could be imminent. But a week after the U.S. announced the carrier and its escorts would leave Singapore, forego port calls in Australia and instead return to Korean waters, the carrier and its group had yet to head north.
Rather, the ships were actually operating several hundred miles south of Singapore, taking part in scheduled exercises with Australian forces in the Indian Ocean.
On Saturday — according to photographs released by the U.S. Navy — the carrier passed north through the Sunda Strait, the passage between the Indonesian islands of Sumatra and Java. It's about 3,500 miles from Korea.
U.S. Navy officials in Pearl Harbor and Washington declined to comment on the ship’s movements, other than to confirm the April 15 movement through the Sunda Strait. Off the record, several officials expressed wonderment at the persistent reports that the Vinson was already nearing Korea. “We’ve made no such statement,” said one official.
Those same officials did not push back on reports that the Vinson would return to Korean waters, where the strike group operated for much of March as part of the annual U.S.-Korean Foal Eagle exercises. While declining to confirm a specific date, they did not dispute speculative media reports from South Korea that the strike group could be in the region by April 25 or so.
Officials did, however, flatly deny reports that three U.S. carrier strike groups were being directed to mass off the Korean peninsula in a few weeks.
Speculation has been rising that the Ronald Reagan and Nimitz strike groups could join with the Vinson. The Japan-based carrier Reagan, however, is in a maintenance period at Yokosuka scheduled to complete in May. The Bremerton, Washington-based Nimitz and her strike group is off Southern California, nearing the completion of its major pre-deployment exercise. The ship is scheduled to deploy this spring to relieve the Vinson in the Western Pacific.
The Vinson’s return to Korea was ordered on April 8 by Adm. Harry Harris, commander of U.S. Pacific Command. On April 11, Defense Secretary James Mattis – having just met with Harris in Washington – noted that no specific incident prompted the order to curtail the exercise program and head north.
“She's stationed there in the western Pacific for a reason,” Mattis told reporters at the Pentagon. “She operates freely up and down the Pacific, and she's just on her way up there because that's where we thought it was most prudent to have her at this time. There's not a specific demand signal or specific reason why we're sending her up there.”
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Well this report would seem more accurate. The Reagan is being shown as undergoing maintenance in Yokosuka into May.
http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html
The Art of War, written in the 5th century, has strategies that are justifiably taught today. Like....the spreading of misinformation.....
I thought there was about a 25% chance he might improve our situation before the election, but now I'd say it's about 1%. Forget about the war part. Just look at his new found support for Janet Yellen and low interest rates. Or his support for a socialist health care plan. Or infrastructure spending. Or building a wall. Or increasing defense spending. Or maintaining SS and Medicare. Or unfreezing the hiring freeze.
No doubt, plus it's always wise to keep in mind that legalized overt government propaganda is again in effect, thanks to the Smith-Mundt Act.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Why are we going to NK again? Oh yeah.. that's right...
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/fin...central-bank/#
In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned or controlled Central Bank:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran
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And it's not the sort of thing a neocon would do.
Hillary Clinton called for Donald Trump to 'take out' Assad airfields hours before air strikes
Graham compares Trump to Reagan after Syria strike
McCain: Syria strike is ‘eight years in the making’
Krauthammer: Syria Strike Sends Message that ‘There Is a Sheriff in Town’ – ‘America Is Back’
...that last one's from Breitbart too, so you know its ReelNewz™
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