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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    When I was in High school I was dating a girl that was younger (didn't know it)..never did get together with her,, but she wanted to.

    After we broke up,, I heard she turned 12 and was dating a Guy in the Air Force,, he had a car.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Objection. Fact not in evidence. Witness neither stated that a twelve year old should be given permission to have sex, nor that most or all are unable to operate the Tik Tok app.
    LOL. Okay. If we're going with legal formalities my response to your objection would be "Witness opened the door to questioning about 12 year olds and sex by bringing up a 12 year old wanting to have sex with him and later dating some dude in the Air Force. And there is no relevance to whether most 12 year olds can operate TikTok as the teen in question is in this case 14 and obviously can operate TikTok."

    Edit: Okay. I see that I specifically asked about 12 year olds and TikTok. I would ask this Court to take judicial notice of the fact that there are a LOT of 12 year olds on TikTok and it doesn't matter whether most 12 year olds use TikTok or not as it's clearly in the capability of less than genius level 12 year olds.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 07-28-2022 at 03:34 PM.
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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post


    And....you're working about TikTok. Okay.
    Nope, Do you?
    I have no problem with parents limiting their kids access to the Filth of the Internet.

    Have advocated parental Filters.

    at least this one tried.. most can't be bothered about what the kid is doing.
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  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Like you JUST quoted me saying: That sleezy mother let her 14 year old daughter kiss a 17 year old boy and post videos of herself twerking on TikTok. Take away that mom's parental rights!"

    Not porn. TikTok. Not sex with a grown man. Making out with another teenager and contacting said teenager through a cell phone. No sane person would say that justifies taking away parental rights.
    And they didn't say that was the reason. It was part of the reason. That has been explained multiple times and everyone reading this thread, but you fully understands that.

  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    LOL. Okay. If we're going with legal formalities...
    In the interests of full disclosure, I'm not a lawyer. But I told one once how to get me off on constitutional grounds ("Wow, that did work"), and another time thumped an attorney in small claims court.

    Never played one on TV, though.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    In the interests of full disclosure, I'm not a lawyer. But I told one once how to get me off on constitutional grounds ("Wow, that did work"), and another time thumped an attorney in small claims court.

    Never played one on TV, though.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.
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  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Nope, Do you?
    I have no problem with parents limiting their kids access to the Filth of the Internet.

    Have advocated parental Filters.

    at least this one tried.. most can't be bothered about what the kid is doing.
    This mother almost lost her kid over TikTok videos an unrestricted cell phone, and her 14 year old daughter kissing a 17 year old. That's just stupid on the judges part.

    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    And they didn't say that was the reason. It was part of the reason. That has been explained multiple times and everyone reading this thread, but you fully understands that.
    Parse it however you want. The judge's reason, and the dad's reason, was a stupid reason and the dad was being hypocritical. Pretty much everyone but you agrees with that at this point.
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  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This mother almost lost her kid over TikTok videos an unrestricted cell phone, and her 14 year old daughter kissing a 17 year old. That's just stupid on the judges part.
    Again

    "I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible

    "This is the first time that Cache says Abelseth mentioned that Barnes had raped her since the custody proceedings began in 2011." - My how convenient

    "Barnes told Fox Digital that he grew frustrated that Abelseth continued to encourage a relationship between ex-con Threeton and the child, taking the girl to see him in prison. "She was undermining my relationship with my daughter, teaching my daughter that she has two dads," Barnes said. A judge later ruled that the child could have no contact with Threeton. He further accused Abelsleth of violating their custody agreement for allowing different men to sleep over at her home in presence of their daughter."

    "She had three husbands in six years and it wasn’t healthy."

    "And, in May 2015, Barnes filed a petition for sole custody of their daughter, accusing Abelseth of continuing to foster a relationship between her daughter and Threeton and having men stay overnight at the home when the daughter was present. "

    "In December 2020, Barnes again filed for full custody, accusing Abelseth of allowing their daughter, then 14, to "make out" with her 17-year-old boyfriend in her room unsupervised. He also accused Abelseth of providing their daughter with a second cellphone with unfettered access to social media when she already had one with parental controls that he had given her. Barnes won the custody by accusing Abelseth of buying a cellphone for their 16-year-old daughter, which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."

    Proof it wasn't over a cell phone or a 14 year old having a 17 year old boyfriend. She's a serial liar who is unfit to have custody.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Parse it however you want. The judge's reason, and the dad's reason, was a stupid reason and the dad was being hypocritical. Pretty much everyone but you agrees with that at this point.
    They were excellent reasons to take custody away from the slutty mother. Pretty much everyone but you agrees with that point.

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    OMFG! People react to trauma different ways! You have NO clue as to what the hell you are talking about! I was molested as a child and I blocked it out of my mind until the molester apologized years later. And you and @pcosmar are full of crap talking about her trying to shut this man out of her daughter's life. HE WAS THE ONE GOING FOR FULL CUSTODY! This isn't a "if it was rape" case. IT WAS RAPE! There is NO denying that fact. The POS that did this to her can't deny the fact. Saying "I didn't know she was only 16" doesn't change the fact that it was rape. I hope you don't have a daughter.
    I know how the law works, and I understand the legal definition of rape and how consent works and when it cannot be obtained.

    I again appeal to the notion that she’s making mountains of what was clearly molehills to her until he came after her own ability to be a mother. Then she weaponized her own sexual decisions in order to garner support and emotional responses to her loss of custody.

    This does not pass the sniff test for what you described as a “traumatic” event.

    I was also abused. I displayed the signs so clearly after a particularly bad event that my 3rd grade teacher sent me to the guidance counselor who pressed me on it and got the truth and my step dad was immediately summoned to and charged by the Navy where he was a high ranking officer.

    At her age, she was happily pretending to be an adult and it’s only now when her world is getting turned upside down by the rest of the story which is not reported that she suddenly has a problem with it. Just another #metoo moment, #believeher crap. Just my gut and I could be wrong.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I know how the law works, and I understand the legal definition of rape and how consent works and when it cannot be obtained.

    I again appeal to the notion that she’s making mountains of what was clearly molehills to her until he came after her own ability to be a mother. Then she weaponized her own sexual decisions in order to garner support and emotional responses to her loss of custody.

    This does not pass the sniff test for what you described as a “traumatic” event.

    I was also abused. I displayed the signs so clearly after a particularly bad event that my 3rd grade teacher sent me to the guidance counselor who pressed me on it and got the truth and my step dad was immediately summoned to and charged by the Navy where he was a high ranking officer.

    At her age, she was happily pretending to be an adult and it’s only now when her world is getting turned upside down by the rest of the story which is not reported that she suddenly has a problem with it. Just another #metoo moment, #believeher crap. Just my gut and I could be wrong.
    The person making the mountain over the molehill is the dad. He's the one that went for full custody because his teenage daughter was making out with a teenage boy when he had sex with her drunk teenage mother when he was a grown ass man.
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  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The person making the mountain over the molehill is the dad. He's the one that went for full custody because his teenage daughter was making out with a teenage boy when he had sex with her drunk teenage mother when he was a grown ass man.
    That's not the reason and everyone here but you agrees with that.

  13. #131
    Work on your reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Again

    "I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible


    Those were the allegations that the dad was sexually abusing the daughter. That has NOTHING to do with what happened to the mom. The medical evidence is indisputable that the mom was 16 at the time, rape under Louisiana law, and that she had been drinking. What's in dispute is whether or not she was passed out when he had sex with her. Now he's freaking out because his daughter is making out with a 17 year old, which is totally legal, and post non pornographic videos on TikTok. (By definition TikTok doesn't allow porn. Not everything that is sexually suggestive is porn).

    Also lack of medical evidence doesn't prove the mom lied. Sometimes there is no medical evidence of molestation even though it happens. Please read this paper before you respond again so you can have some clue as to what you are talking about.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1881730/

    Legal proof of child sexual abuse in the absence of physical evidence
    A R De Jong 1, M Rose
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    PMID: 1881730
    Abstract
    Child sexual abuse criminal court cases from a 12-month period were reviewed to determine the frequency and significance of physical evidence in legally "proven" felony cases with penetration. One hundred fifteen consecutive cases were reviewed, and 87 (76%) had resulted in conviction of the perpetrator on felony charges. Charges of vaginal rape were made in 88 cases, and oral and/or anal sodomy in 67 cases. Physical evidence was present in only 23% of all cases that resulted in felony convictions. Felony convictions were obtained in 67 (79%) of 85 cases without physical evidence and in only 20 (67%) of 30 cases with physical evidence. Eight of the 10 cases without physical evidence that did not result in conviction involved victims younger than 7 years of age. Cases involving the youngest victims had a significantly lower conviction rate (12 of 23), despite a very high frequency (13 of 23) of physical evidence (P less than .0005). Physical evidence was neither predictive nor essential for conviction. Successful prosecution, particularly in cases involving the youngest victims, depended on the quality of the verbal evidence and the effectiveness of the child victim's testimony.

    "This is the first time that Cache says Abelseth mentioned that Barnes had raped her since the custody proceedings began in 2011." - My how convenient


    And under the law, he had. By his admission of the facts, he had. Maybe you agree with Whoopi Goldberg that Roman Polansky didn't "rape - rape" that 13 year old girl that he gave alcohol to and then had sex with. You can get a job on the view if you change your gender.

    "Barnes told Fox Digital that he grew frustrated that Abelseth continued to encourage a relationship between ex-con Threeton and the child, taking the girl to see him in prison. "She was undermining my relationship with my daughter, teaching my daughter that she has two dads," Barnes said. A judge later ruled that the child could have no contact with Threeton. He further accused Abelsleth of violating their custody agreement for allowing different men to sleep over at her home in presence of their daughter."
    None of that is actually illegal nor should it be.

    "She had three husbands in six years and it wasn’t healthy."
    Not illegal nor should it be.

    "And, in May 2015, Barnes filed a petition for sole custody of their daughter, accusing Abelseth of continuing to foster a relationship between her daughter and Threeton and having men stay overnight at the home when the daughter was present. "
    Not illegal nor should it be. The dad under Louisiana law might soon be a felon. Dumb move on his part.

    "In December 2020, Barnes again filed for full custody, accusing Abelseth of allowing their daughter, then 14, to "make out" with her 17-year-old boyfriend in her room unsupervised. He also accused Abelseth of providing their daughter with a second cellphone with unfettered access to social media when she already had one with parental controls that he had given her. Barnes won the custody by accusing Abelseth of buying a cellphone for their 16-year-old daughter, which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."
    And ^that is really the only part relevant to this discussion. That's what's in the petition where the mom temporarily lost full custody. Again, reading if fundamental.

    Proof it wasn't over a cell phone or a 14 year old having a 17 year old boyfriend. She's a serial liar who is unfit to have custody.
    She didn't lie about the dad being a rapist. And he may now soon become a felon. And there's no proof that she lied about the sexual abuse of the daughter. Sometimes there is no physical evidence of molestation.
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  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    That's not the reason and everyone here but you agrees with that.
    You should read this before attempting to respond because you don't know what you are talking about.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1881730/
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Work on your reading.
    Work on caring about the truth instead of trying to be right.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Those were the allegations that the dad was sexually abusing the daughter. That has NOTHING to do with what happened to the mom.The medical evidence is indisputable that the mom was 16 at the time, rape under Louisiana law, and that she had been drinking. What's in dispute is whether or not she was passed out when he had sex with her.
    it's not about what happened to the mom. That you make it about that is deflection.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Now he's freaking out because his daughter is making out with a 17 year old, which is totally legal, and post non pornographic videos on TikTok. (By definition TikTok doesn't allow porn. Not everything that is sexually suggestive is porn).
    which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Also lack of medical evidence doesn't prove the mom lied. Sometimes there is no medical evidence of molestation even though it happens. Please read this paper before you respond again so you can have some clue as to what you are talking about.
    lack of evidence proves the mother is not credible. get a clue about the truth before you spew nonsense again.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And under the law, he had. By his admission of the facts, he had. Maybe you agree with Whoopi Goldberg that Roman Polansky didn't "rape - rape" that 13 year old girl that he gave alcohol to and then had sex with. You can get a job on the view if you change your gender.
    It's not about him. Maybe you agree with the perverted who frequented Epsteins island that it's okay for a 14 year old to fool around with a 17 year old and post sexually explicit TikToks." I hope you never have a daughter.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    None of that is actually illegal nor should it be.

    Not illegal nor should it be.
    Not illegal nor should it be. The dad under Louisiana law might soon be a felon. Dumb move on his part.
    because you're okay with minors being around a whorish mom. Gee do you think the daughter is learning from the mom. I hope you never have a daughter.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And ^that is really the only part relevant to this discussion. That's what's in the petition where the mom temporarily lost full custody. Again, reading if fundamental.
    Again that is not the only relevant part That is one of things in the petition. Again, caring about the truth is fundamental

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    She didn't lie about the dad being a rapist. And he may now soon become a felon. And there's no proof that she lied about the sexual abuse of the daughter. Sometimes there is no physical evidence of molestation.
    Again - "I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible

    I hope you never have a daughter.

  16. #134
    Relevant to this entire discussion:

    https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-rape-laws.htm
    Mistake as to the Child's Age

    In Louisiana, as in most states, it is not a defense to a charge of carnal knowledge of a juvenile, aggravated rape, indecent behavior with a juvenile, or sexual battery that the defendant did not know that the child was underage. This is so even if the child lied about his or her age or looked older. (La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§ 14:42, 14:43.1, 14:80, 14:80.1 14:81 (2018).)

    I'm not saying that's what the law should be. I'm saying that's what it is.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You should read this before attempting to respond because you don't know what you are talking about.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1881730/
    I don't take advice from someone who thinks it's okay to raise a daughter around a whorish mom. A mom who doesn't care about parenting her child. Keep deflecting from the whorish mom and making things up. Everyone here can see it.

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    I hope you never have a daughter.
    I'd be a better dad than you would be. You would excuse her rapist and then turn around and demand she give him full custody over their child for legal behavior you deemed slutty.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    I don't take advice from someone who thinks it's okay to raise a daughter around a whorish mom. A mom who doesn't care about parenting her child. Keep deflecting from the whorish mom and making things up. Everyone here can see it.
    But you think it's okay for a 30 year old to have sex with a drunk 16 year old? You don't think that's whorish on the part of the dad? You're sick.

    Edit: And I didn't ask you to take my advice. I gave you facts about so called "lack of medical evidence" in rape cases.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 07-28-2022 at 11:37 PM.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Relevant to this entire discussion:

    https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-rape-laws.htm
    Mistake as to the Child's Age

    In Louisiana, as in most states, it is not a defense to a charge of carnal knowledge of a juvenile, aggravated rape, indecent behavior with a juvenile, or sexual battery that the defendant did not know that the child was underage. This is so even if the child lied about his or her age or looked older. (La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§ 14:42, 14:43.1, 14:80, 14:80.1 14:81 (2018).)

    I'm not saying that's what the law should be. I'm saying that's what it is.
    We understand what the law is. Granted I'm not the one defending it, you are.
    You going to champion the 3 strike law or back in the day would you be for enforcing Jim Crow? Well after all, it's the law.

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    But you think it's okay for a 30 year old to have sex with a drunk 16 year old? You don't think that's whorish on the part of the dad? You're sick.
    I never said I did and you have no proof. Not that you care about the truth or facts. Everyone here can see it.

    That you think it's okay for that child to be around the whorish mom who thinks it's okay to post sexually explicit TikToks is repulsive.
    Last edited by tebowlives; 07-28-2022 at 11:45 PM.

  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'd be a better dad than you would be.
    LMAO Yea I can see it now as you two post sexually explicit TikToks." together. You seem to be okay with it. That's sick.I can just imagine the sick double dating now.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You would excuse her rapist and then turn around and demand she give him full custody over their child for legal behavior you deemed slutty.
    He didn't force her, she knew what she was doing. The truth over your government approved tyranny any day.

    Something that happened over a lie the birth mother told 15 years ago vs the last 15 years of repulsive deviant behavior by the mom.
    Last edited by tebowlives; 07-28-2022 at 11:47 PM.

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    We understand what the law is. Granted I'm not the one defending it, you are.
    You going to champion the 3 strike law or back in the day would you be for enforcing Jim Crow? Well after all, it's the law.
    Jim Crow was inherently immoral. Telling someone he shouldn't have sex with a drunk woman in a bathroom if he hasn't gotten to know the woman enough to know whether or not she's over 18 isn't inherently immoral. Even with a fake ID, if he had taken the time to know the object of his sexual desire before banging her he could have found out she was under 18. He chose to pleasure himself at the moment. I disagree with the law, but I don't find it inherently immoral. Likewise I disagree with 3 strikes laws but I don't find them inherently immoral. Someone who has two strikes and then chooses to commit another crime is taking a stupid risk. Britney Griner, the WNBA star that went to Russia with her medical marijuana oil and got busted right before the war started, took a stupid risk. I disagree with Russia's law, but it's not inherently immoral the way Jim Crow was. There is a saying. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. If in your younger years you were being a male whore (having bathroom sex with someone you just met) and it turns out your whoring was actually illegal, you probably shouldn't throw stones at your now adult baby's mama letting men sleep over (legal), being married multiple times (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter make out (not have sex) with her 17 y/o boyfriend (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter post non-pornographic, but sexually suggestive, videos on TikTok (legal), and "sexting" said 17 y/o boyfriend (unless she was sending nudes which the article does not say, that's still legal).

    As @Ender pointed out, all of this could be better handled without involving the courts. First, if you don't want to have to share custody with a woman that makes whorish decisions, then do the traditional thing and save sex for *gasp* marriage. If the sweet virgin church girl you had a baby with leaves you and starts acting whorish (and I know of a case where that happened) then you have a right to complain. Otherwise you got what you should have been expecting. Then if you get divorced, try to work out as much as you can in the parenting plan.

    One more thing about Jim Crow. Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat on the bus. But the other black woman (women?) before her had record(s). I you plan to get into a tangle with the legal system expect your past to come up. If your past coming up can put you in legal jeopardy, maybe you shouldn't fight that battle.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    LMAO Yea I can see it now as you two post sexually explicit TikToks." together. You seem to be okay with it. That's sick.I can just imagine the sick double dating now.
    What were the two sexually explicit TikToks I posted? I don't even know how to post TikToks on here. What were these sexually explicit TikToks that you said I posted, which I don't even know how to post, talking about? I know AF posted something from TikTok that was shown on news stations that I found disturbing but not pornographic.

    He didn't force her, she knew what she was doing. The truth over your government approved tyranny any day.
    She didn't force any of the men she slept with to sleep with her. You didn't accuse her of rape. You accused her of being "slutty." You can't accuse of her of being "slutty" and then turn around and give the dad a pass on something that was both slutty and illegal. You don't want government tyranny unless it's being used against women. Take away the mom's parental rights for being "slutty" while giving the dad a 100% pass for being a whore himself. If the dad hadn't been a whore along with the mom then they wouldn't even have a child together and be in this mess. But he did. And in doing so he broke the law. And then he tried to bring the law down on the head of the mom. For a while the judge agreed, then after the judge got public pressure he reversed himself. Now the dad's being investigated for rape and based on all of the public pressure, because public pressure drives some prosecutions (ask Bill Cosby), him could very well get convicted. No clear winners hear. Stupid move on dad's part. He should have kept it in his pants and failing to do that lived with the fact that he ended up with a slut for his child's mother.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Jim Crow was inherently immoral. Telling someone he shouldn't have sex with a drunk woman in a bathroom if he hasn't gotten to know the woman enough to know whether or not she's over 18 isn't inherently immoral. Even with a fake ID, if he had taken the time to know the object of his sexual desire before banging her he could have found out she was under 18. He chose to pleasure himself at the moment. I disagree with the law, but I don't find it inherently immoral. Likewise I disagree with 3 strikes laws but I don't find them inherently immoral. Someone who has two strikes and then chooses to commit another crime is taking a stupid risk. Britney Griner, the WNBA star that went to Russia with her medical marijuana oil and got busted right before the war started, took a stupid risk. I disagree with Russia's law, but it's not inherently immoral the way Jim Crow was. There is a saying. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. If in your younger years you were being a male whore (having bathroom sex with someone you just met) and it turns out your whoring was actually illegal, you probably shouldn't throw stones at your now adult baby's mama letting men sleep over (legal), being married multiple times (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter make out (not have sex) with her 17 y/o boyfriend (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter post non-pornographic, but sexually suggestive, videos on TikTok (legal), and "sexting" said 17 y/o boyfriend (unless she was sending nudes which the article does not say, that's still legal).

    As @Ender pointed out, all of this could be better handled without involving the courts. First, if you don't want to have to share custody with a woman that makes whorish decisions, then do the traditional thing and save sex for *gasp* marriage. If the sweet virgin church girl you had a baby with leaves you and starts acting whorish (and I know of a case where that happened) then you have a right to complain. Otherwise you got what you should have been expecting. Then if you get divorced, try to work out as much as you can in the parenting plan.

    One more thing about Jim Crow. Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat on the bus. But the other black woman (women?) before her had record(s). I you plan to get into a tangle with the legal system expect your past to come up. If your past coming up can put you in legal jeopardy, maybe you shouldn't fight that battle.
    In your long winded, deflection of a post I want to thank you for proving my point on your current hypocrisy. Tyranny is only bad when it's done TO you.

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What were the two sexually explicit TikToks I posted? I don't even know how to post TikToks on here. What were these sexually explicit TikToks that you said I posted, which I don't even know how to post, talking about? I know AF posted something from TikTok that was shown on news stations that I found disturbing but not pornographic.
    No one said you did
    Again, it's not about pornographic, it's about sexually explicit TikToks. Not that you care about the truth as you deflect.
    You okay with her dressing up the child in sexually provocative clothes too?


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    She didn't force any of the men she slept with to sleep with her. You didn't accuse her of rape. You accused her of being "slutty." You can't accuse of her of being "slutty" and then turn around and give the dad a pass on something that was both slutty and illegal.
    Again because it's not about the dad, it's about the repulsive behavior of the mother. Behavior which you don't care about. It's sick

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You don't want government tyranny unless it's being used against women.
    make something else up because you don't have a leg to stand on.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Take away the mom's parental rights for being "slutty" while giving the dad a 100% pass for being a whore himself. If the dad hadn't been a whore along with the mom then they wouldn't even have a child together and be in this mess. But he did. And in doing so he broke the law. And then he tried to bring the law down on the head of the mom. For a while the judge agreed, then after the judge got public pressure he reversed himself. Now the dad's being investigated for rape and based on all of the public pressure, because public pressure drives some prosecutions (ask Bill Cosby), him could very well get convicted.
    It wasn't necessarily public pressure although that did bring attention to it. It was about how it wasn't brought up in the first place.
    And he could very well get convicted based on nothing more than age. However no one should support government tyranny.
    We know for a fact she lied about her age and she lied about the daughter being drugged and raped by the dad. She's a serial liar and the smart move is to doubt her hearsay.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    No clear winners hear. Stupid move on dad's part. He should have kept it in his pants and failing to do that lived with the fact that he ended up with a slut for his child's mother.
    Not too far off base here. Even if she was a year older and legal, he shouldnt have had sex with her. Because something is legal doesn't mean one should do it.
    But it's about the ongoing actions of the emotional unstable mother. She's not being railroaded and needs help.
    Last edited by tebowlives; 07-29-2022 at 01:02 AM.



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  29. #145
    I looked this up since I thought there wasn't a statue of limitations on sex with a minor. Tried to figure out why the father would put himself in this pickle. The smart move would be to not upset the skank mother.
    Now I know it varies state to state.

    "In Louisiana, the statute of limitations for forcible rape, carnal knowledge, sexual battery and other such sex crimes against victims who are younger than 17 years old is 10 years. However, the clock does not start until the victim turns 18."

    Knowing this, what reason would the father receive jail time?

  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    In your long winded, deflection of a post I want to thank you for proving my point on your current hypocrisy. Tyranny is only bad when it's done TO you.
    In other words, you know you're full of crap. Here's the cliff notes version since reading is not your strong point. There is NO honest correlation between Jim Crow and statutory rape laws. Jim Crow punishes MORAL behavior. That's why they were open to attack through civil disobedience. Good MORAL people could, in good conscience, violate Jim Crow laws by drinking at white only water fountains and refusing to give up their seats on a bus. Statutory rape laws punish inherently IMMORAL behavior. Having a one night stand with a woman that clearly is much younger than you, has been drinking and you really know nothing about except she's hot is IMMORAL behavior. Yes we've all done IMMORAL things. And those IMMORAL things have consequences. The consequences of this IMMORAL behavior for this man is that he had a baby by a woman who's lifestyle he doesn't like, and based on the laws of his state he could become a convicted rapist. If you don't understand the difference between laws that may be unfair but punish IMMORAL behavior and laws that punish MORAL behavior then you are sorely lacking in the ethics department.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    No one said you did
    Again, it's not about pornographic, it's about sexually explicit TikToks. Not that you care about the truth as you deflect.
    You okay with her dressing up the child in sexually provocative clothes too?
    You said "LMAO Yea I can see it now as you two post sexually explicit TikToks." together. You seem to be okay with it. That's sick.I can just imagine the sick double dating now." So you threw out an accusation based on nothing and then pulled it back. Okay. Let's be clear. I don't even have a TikTok account. And I no more approve of anybody posting anything on TikTok than you approve of a man giving a woman he knows has been drinking a ride home....to his house and then having sex with her. Or...maybe you do approve of that. Maybe you've done that. I don't know. You seem to be adamant that laws which punish said behavior when it turns out the drunk woman was actually under age are "tyrannical" and "akin to Jim Crow" even though (I think) you are against such behavior? Or maybe you support such behavior? I mean, if you REALLY think that my insistence that these "sexually explicit TikTok videos" (which haven't even been defined) are a reason for the law to terminate parental rights means somehow that I'm all for posting sexually explicit TikTok videos, then by your own TWISTED logic, you support having sex with drunk women you don't know that are much, much older than you. Here's something about drunk people. Even when the "consent", sometimes they don't have a freaking clue about what they are doing. I've never been drunk. But I've been around a lot of drunk people as an Uber/Lyft driver. I once got a phone number from a really hot lady who liked how nice and polite I was. I sent her a text the next day. She didn't respond. I know why. She probably didn't even remember giving me her number. Drunk sex is dangerous. You might catch HIV. You might get a woman you don't particularly like pregnant. You might find yourself afoul of statutory rape laws. It's like drunk driving. You didn't mean to hit that pedestrian but...

    Again because it's not about the dad, it's about the repulsive behavior of the mother. Behavior which you don't care about. It's sick
    No it's not. It's about a politically connected father who manipulated the system. See:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-for...-child-support

    "He's well-connected," Abelseth said. "He's threatened me multiple times, saying he has connections in the justice system, so I better be careful, and he can take her away anytime he wants to. I didn't believe him until it happened."

    Earlier this year, Louisiana Judge Jeffrey Cashe granted Barnes full custody after the father alleged that Abelseth gave the teen a cellphone, which she denied. The judge, of the 21st Judicial District Court in Louisiana, also ordered Abelseth to pay her alleged abuser child support.

    It's not uncommon in today's world for men or women to get married 3 times in 6 years. I did a divorce for one man who called me back a couple of years later because he needed to divorced from his next wife. I passed on that one. I don't condone that behavior. But unlike you I don't think he should have lost his kids over that. Or maybe you don't think that. You have no moral consistency. You think laws that punish men who through their immoral acts accidentally commit statutory rape are "tyrannical" and "equal to Jim Crow." But then you're okay with a court taking away a mother's parental rights based on her having three husbands in six years, allowing men to sleep over, and wanting her daughter to have a relationship with a felon (the biological dad may soon become a felon too). The funny thing is, the court did NOT terminate parental rights for any of that behavior. It wasn't until the alleged cell phone became an issue along with the TikTok videos and making out with the 17 year old that the mom lost custody. I've pointed that out to you but you ignored that fact.

    make something else up because you don't have a leg to stand on.
    I haven't made anything up. You made up the accusation that I'm for posting sexually explicit TikTok videos. You made up the accusation that I support the mom's behavior just because I don't think there should be legal consequences to it. You support legal consequences for the mom's behavior. You think the legal consequences for the dad's behavior is "tyrannical" and comparable to "Jim Crow." Those are your words. Own them.

    It wasn't necessarily public pressure although that did bring attention to it. It was about how it wasn't brought up in the first place.
    R Kelly is in prison over allegations that weren't brought up in the first place despite there being physical evidence that they were true. Should he be released, yes or no? Here's the details of his convictions.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr...-jury-brooklyn

    Note that one count was for him filming pornographic videos of underage women on VHS cameras. You know how long ago it was that VHS was popular? The years listed range from 2009 to 2018. He wasn't convicted until 2021. One of his victims initially denied it was her on the video tape even though her family said it was her. I don't know if she still maintains that our not. He repeated the behavior enough times so that there were plenty of victims. I knew about his crimes back when they first happened. But he didn't get convicted until "Surviving R. Kelly" came out and put public pressure on the issue.

    And what statute of limitations do you think there should be for rape statutory or otherwise? 24 hours? A week? A month? A year? What about when the alleged rapist is politically connected and can manipulate the system as in this case? What about Jeffrey Epstein? His convictions included convictions for rape that happened years before. Sorry but the "It can't be rape if you don't bring it up immediately" defense just doesn't fly, especially in this case where the basic facts are already admitted. And in this case the mom DID bring it up years ago! An investigation was started in 2015. There aren't any facts in dispute to get a conviction. And I don't buy the argument, if you're going to make it, that Louisiana is just some pseudo libertarian state that doesn't want to prosecute its own statutory rape laws, especially considering the fact that the judge, before he changed his mind, was going to take the un-libertarian position that a cell phone used to post whatever it is that TikTok allows you to post (which isn't porn), and to contact your 17 year old boyfriend when you're 14, and making out with said 17 year old boyfriend, means your mom loses her parental rights. It's also un-libertarian to take the position that 3 husbands in 6 years and an unmarried person having sleepovers with adults is grounds for terminating parental rights ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE JUDGE DIDN'T TERMINATE THE MOM'S PARENTAL RIGHTS WHEN THOSE ALLEGATIONS FIRST CAME UP!

    And he could very well get convicted based on nothing more than age. However no one should support government tyranny.
    Yet you support the government tyranny of terminating parental rights over legal behavior that the judge didn't even use as a reason for terminating parental rights. You support terminating parental rights over objectionable videos on TikTok.

    We know for a fact she lied about her age and she lied about the daughter being drugged and raped by the dad. She's a serial liar and the smart move is to doubt her hearsay.
    All we know is that the medical evidence didn't prove the daughter was drugged. The story doesn't tell us how long it took after the last alleged sexual encounter with dad was the test done or how the test was done. The date rape drug GHB is only in urine for 24 hours and can only be detected in hair for up to a month.

    https://americanaddictioncenters.org...long-in-system

    And it's not unusual for child rape victims especially to not be immediately forth coming. Remember, one of R. Kelly's victims denied she was the one on video.

    Also the date rape drug ketamine causes transient amnesia, meaning it goes away.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32317201/

    So a victim might only remember a sexual assault some time later.

    Not too far off base here. Even if she was a year older and legal, he shouldnt have had sex with her. Because something is legal doesn't mean one should do it.
    But it's about the ongoing actions of the emotional unstable mother. She's not being railroaded and needs help.
    She was CLEARLY being railroaded by a politically connected father. And he's a pot calling a kettle black. I doubt that was the first time or the last time he's had drunk sex with a much younger woman. Her emotional well being, that you've put such an emphasis on, had nothing to do with the order terminating parental rights. It was the cellphone and how it was being used. (Posting videos that were not pornographic since TikTok doesn't allow porn and contacting the 17 year old boyfriend).

    Edit: But I'm glad you at least can admit that drunk sex with a much younger woman is not a good thing to do. Which means that laws that punish such behavior are not the same as laws that punish drinking from the wrong water fountain (Jim Crow). What is odd is that you're simultaneously in favor of a judge essentially punishing legal behavior. And because I don't think the legal behavior should be punished by terminating parental rights, you think I condone it. That's what's not making sense. And most of the legal behavior your complaining about did NOT result in the termination of parental rights. It's just when the cell phone argument came up that the parental rights were terminated until public pressure convinced the judge in question that he screwed up.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 07-29-2022 at 07:54 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    In other words, you know you're full of crap. Here's the cliff notes version since reading is not your strong point. There is NO honest correlation between Jim Crow and statutory rape laws. Jim Crow punishes MORAL behavior. That's why they were open to attack through civil disobedience. Good MORAL people could, in good conscience, violate Jim Crow laws by drinking at white only water fountains and refusing to give up their seats on a bus. Statutory rape laws punish inherently IMMORAL behavior. Having a one night stand with a woman that clearly is much younger than you, has been drinking and you really know nothing about except she's hot is IMMORAL behavior. Yes we've all done IMMORAL things. And those IMMORAL things have consequences. The consequences of this IMMORAL behavior for this man is that he had a baby by a woman who's lifestyle he doesn't like, and based on the laws of his state he could become a convicted rapist. If you don't understand the difference between laws that may be unfair but punish IMMORAL behavior and laws that punish MORAL behavior then you are sorely lacking in the ethics department.
    Talk about being a hypocrite. In other words you're okay with government tyranny when it suits you. Understood. Government isn't moral. Have you learned nothing? rhetorical
    Last edited by tebowlives; 07-29-2022 at 10:03 AM.

  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The person making the mountain over the molehill is the dad. He's the one that went for full custody because his teenage daughter was making out with a teenage boy when he had sex with her drunk teenage mother when he was a grown ass man.
    The judge agreed with his position
    No - No - No - No
    2016

  34. #150
    This thread has gone about as far as it can usefully go.

    Farther than that, actually.

    Closing.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-29-2022 at 02:38 PM.

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