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Birth in our territory or being granted citizenship by us.
Those who do not have any other citizenship and who do not qualify to get any other citizenship would also be cruelly and unusually punished if we made them persons without a country.
It is a concession to liberty and human rights to allow citizens to stay here even if their political beliefs are less than perfect but it would be better to impose liberty in all its other aspects and expel those who oppose liberty than to allow unlimited immigration of people who oppose liberty.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I would have complained about immigration when the mountain men moved in and ruined things. I would have complained about the cattle herders, the atrocities that our cities have become. I don't want immigrants: Hispanics, European, anybody. My country is screwed up enough. I really don't want to see it turn into Venezuela like California is.
When I drive to work in the morning, the last thing I think is, "Gee, I wish we could get a whole bunch more people so I will have a longer sit in this f-ing traffic jam."
Our infrastructure is falling apart. Our cities are turning to slums. Our rights are getting stripped away and I am supposed to support more rights for outsiders than my own kids. Screw that. Go away and leave me alone!
Last edited by RJB; 03-14-2019 at 06:59 PM.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Last edited by Danke; 03-14-2019 at 05:32 PM.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I know already that you tend to assert this kind of thing. It just seems like you're making up your ethics as you go along with whatever ad hoc provisions you need to cook up in order to reach the conclusion you want.
Who decides that anyone born here legally is part of our group? Is it we ourselves who get to decide that? And if so, then it means we're not obligated to say that, and we could just as well say that someone who is born here doesn't have the right to stay as we can say that they do, and then if we think that they're liable to vote for Communists, we would have as much ethical standing to deport them as we would a so-called illegal immigrant.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 03-14-2019 at 06:26 PM.
LOL
You would say the same thing about 2+2=4 if it suited your purposes.
"Why does 2+2=4?"
"Because if you count to 2 and then count 2 more you arrive at 4"
"I know already that you assert this kind of thing. It just seems like you're making up your ethics as you go along with whatever ad hoc provisions you need to cook up in order to reach the conclusion you want. "
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Sure. If that's the group you want to count. There are infinitely many groups we could all count anyone in, including groups that they and their parents belong to as well as groups they belong to without their parents and groups their parents belong to without them.
I don't se the relevance of that to the discussion though.
Do you want him to disprove nature? God? Or do you want him to disprove your "logic" when you didn't display one shred of it--you just said,
Assertion
Because "Logic"
QED
...like that means jack $#@!.
Nobody--nobody--is impressed when you fill in the blank of A -> ??? -> B with "Because logic".
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
So are you saying you can't back up your opinions, you're only a hyena?
You get yours at Wall Mart, all wrapped in plastic?
He doesn't need to keep them frozen in the box. He can cook his up to order.
And they come out pretty good, too.
What about you? You want to back Swordshyll up so bad. If you can't produce some logic to support his point of view, then that is what kind of backup you give him--so bad
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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