Yes Rand Paul, there is an emergency at our border!

[ProBlue33]

I am just trying to think what I would do if I was President and I made promise to my voters that congress refused to let me keep for petty political reasons.
Yup, emergency powers would be used, I just wouldn't let them win based on lies and diametrically opposed political ideology that is damaging the country.
Rand is right and wrong, it's not good enough to say sorry folks congress refused to give me enough money, dangerous precedent be dammed, we can cross that bridge at the SCOTUS when it arrives.
It's more fear mongering from the left, and if they don't get their radical alt-lefts under control.......anything just left of center and everything the other way isn't voting for the DNC in 2020 anyways.

This is why Anne Coulter is wrong in reality, and Rand Paul is right from a purely ideological perspective that lives in a perfect bubble, we are so far from that, but I still wish it worked, and he was right.

[johnwk]

Government has caused every problem, restricted liberty, raised taxes, destroyed the dollar...

To be frank, the dollar has not been destroyed! Let us not confuse federal reserve notes with the “dollar”. There is a big distinction between the two and confusing the two avoids a discussion as to why our founding fathers specifically intended to forbid notes of any kind to be made a legal “tender either for public or private debts“!

The slide of hand which has taken place, and which even Ron Paul has yet to articulate is, a thieving money monopoly has been created by the simple act of making “federal reserve notes” a LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE which is in defiance of our founding fathers intentions as documented in The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, reported by James Madison : August 16

[FN23] This vote in the affirmative by Virga. was occasioned by the acquiescence of Mr. Madison who became satisfied that striking out the words would not disable the Govt. from the use of public notes as far as they could be safe & proper; & would only cut off the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender either for public or private debts.


Our founding fathers were firm believers in a free market system and allowing the federal government to declare a specific bank’s notes to be a legal tender would literally create a government approved money monopoly and would force people and businesses to accept notes in payment of debt, even if they were not “safe and proper”.

If you get time I suggest you read Roger Sherman’s A Caveat Against Injustice … An inquiry into the evils of a fluctuating medium of exchange. Sherman who lived in Connecticut was defrauded by a legal tender law made in Rhode Island which required him to accept worthless script in payment of debt which had been made a legal tender under the force of government. As one of the delegates to the Convention which framed our Constitution, he was therefore determined to prohibit our government from emitting bills on the credit of the united States and likewise prohibiting notes of any kind to be made a legal tender in payment of debt to avoid the fraud which historically takes place without such prohibitions.

The bottom line is, the market place, and only the market place, is best suited to determine "honest money", and which notes, if any, may be safe and proper to accept in payment of debt.



Regards,

JWK

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.___ James Madison

[Philhelm]

In this case, what is the benefit of being on the side of internal anti-liberty forces vs. external anti-liberty forces?

Numbers. It makes more sense to war with the "internal anti-liberty forces" rather than the internal anti-liberty forces and their foreign mercenaries.

It's strategically foolish to allow immigration, legal or illegal, to continue as-is.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Walls are for simpletons. Get rid of the incentives and you don't need a wall. That includes putting employers of illegals in jail.

[Zippyjuan]

To be frank, the dollar has not been destroyed! Let us not confuse federal reserve notes with the “dollar”. There is a big distinction between the two and confusing the two avoids a discussion as to why our founding fathers specifically intended to forbid notes of any kind to be made a legal “tender either for public or private debts“!

The slide of hand which has taken place, and which even Ron Paul has yet to articulate is, a thieving money monopoly has been created by the simple act of making “federal reserve notes” a LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE which is in defiance of our founding fathers intentions as documented in The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, reported by James Madison : August 16

[FN23] This vote in the affirmative by Virga. was occasioned by the acquiescence of Mr. Madison who became satisfied that striking out the words would not disable the Govt. from the use of public notes as far as they could be safe & proper; & would only cut off the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender either for public or private debts.


Our founding fathers were firm believers in a free market system and allowing the federal government to declare a specific bank’s notes to be a legal tender would literally create a government approved money monopoly and would force people and businesses to accept notes in payment of debt, even if they were not “safe and proper”.

If you get time I suggest you read Roger Sherman’s A Caveat Against Injustice … An inquiry into the evils of a fluctuating medium of exchange. Sherman who lived in Connecticut was defrauded by a legal tender law made in Rhode Island which required him to accept worthless script in payment of debt which had been made a legal tender under the force of government. As one of the delegates to the Convention which framed our Constitution, he was therefore determined to prohibit our government from emitting bills on the credit of the united States and likewise prohibiting notes of any kind to be made a legal tender in payment of debt to avoid the fraud which historically takes place without such prohibitions.

The bottom line is, the market place, and only the market place, is best suited to determine "honest money", and which notes, if any, may be safe and proper to accept in payment of debt.



Regards,

JWK

Is that why they gave them the power to do so in the Constitution? Article One, Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof,

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

Your post notes:

striking out the words would not disable the Govt. from the use of public notes

[Swordsmyth]

Walls are for simpletons. Get rid of the incentives and you don't need a wall. That includes putting employers of illegals in jail.

You would still need some active border control measures because you can't and don't want to get rid of the natural incentives.

[PAF]

You would still need some active border control measures because you can't and don't want to get rid of the natural incentives.

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

Faux News is controlled too, they are the watered down version of the truth (with some outright poison mixed in) designed to keep people from going any further.

[PAF]

LOL

Faux News is controlled too, they are the watered down version of the truth (with some outright poison mixed in) designed to keep people from going any further.

So why further the agenda with anti-liberty positions? Restricting freedom to travel freely, eminent domain, more government employees...

I can’t buy into it. Staying principled and teaching others is the only way we can achieve our goal.

[brushfire]

[Swordsmyth]

So why further the agenda with anti-liberty positions? Restricting freedom to travel freely, eminent domain, more government employees...

I can’t buy into it. Staying principled and teaching others is the only way we can achieve our goal.

Protecting our citizens from foreign invaders that are being brought here to supply the final straw that will break the liberty camel's back forever is NOT an anti-liberty position and it is principled.

We can't teach the invaders as fast as they come, we have a hard enough time teaching the natives as fast as they breed.

[kahless]

Protecting our citizens from foreign invaders that are being brought here to supply the final straw that will break the liberty camel's back forever is NOT an anti-liberty position and it is principled.

We can't teach the invaders as fast as they come, we have a hard enough time teaching the natives as fast as they breed.

I think it is pretty clear to everyone what you stated above since it is just way too damn obvious. Just going through this thread and reading the absurdity of you and other long time members stating the obvious in the real world not some philosophical implementation of libertarian ideology in a non-existent fantasy realm.

I think what we see not only here is people intentionally ignoring that fact for the real purpose of advancing the anti-liberty position. It is what the elites are using the libertarian party for which on fools follow their lead or those that are also using the LP as a tool to advance anti-liberty positions.

The other segment of folks that have not been mentioned may simply support the invasion due to tribal, ethnic or racial allegiance to foreign peoples or powers. A few here are always barking "racist" or "storm front". It is probably more likely there are zero to none white racists on their forum and it is actually the other way around.

[Swordsmyth]

I think it is pretty clear to everyone what you stated above since it is just way too damn obvious. Just going through this thread and reading the absurdity of you and other long time members stating the obvious in the real world not some philosophical implementation of libertarian ideology in a non-existent fantasy realm.

I think what we see not only here is people intentionally ignoring that fact for the real purpose of advancing the anti-liberty position. It is what the elites are using the libertarian party for which on fools follow their lead or those that are also using the LP as a tool to advance anti-liberty positions.

The other segment of folks that have not been mentioned may simply support the invasion due to tribal, ethnic or racial allegiance to foreign peoples or powers. A few here are always barking "racist" or "storm front". It is probably more likely there are zero to none white racists on their forum and it is actually the other way around.

+Rep

[PursuePeace]

Protecting our citizens from foreign invaders that are being brought here to supply the final straw that will break the liberty camel's back forever is NOT an anti-liberty position and it is principled.

We can't teach the invaders as fast as they come, we have a hard enough time teaching the natives as fast as they breed.

[enhanced_deficit]

LOL

I vaguely recall that during Iraqi Freedom war, Foxnews was more under control than any other channel. It's a mystery how they got rid of those chains.

[jmdrake]

Yeah...be nice if our enemies believed that...but they don't.

Some of our enemies are among us and seek to derail this movement or turn it into a Stormfront recruiting ground. Shame really. Global socialists and national socialists are still socialists. Anyone who's actively trying to recruit white people to "protect white majority neighborhoods" is a racist. The fact that such a person would then lie and call people who call them out as racist is laughable. And for the life of me I don't see why AuH2O got temp banned for arguably anti-Semitic remarks which seem pale by comparison.

[jmdrake]

I fear that it's going to get really bad. The U.S. is balkanizing, and simply being white (especially male) is prima facie evidence of racism (racism being power + prejudice), and thus being unworthy of civility.

Nothing wrong with whites or white males. Some of my best friends are white. Plenty wrong with "We've got to save our white majority neighborhoods." That's where balkanization comes from. "I've got to protect by Serbian/Croatian/Ukrainian/Russian enclave!" That's how ethnic cleansing starts. My neighborhood is historically black. White people are moving in. I don't give a crap. I lent one a pick and shovel so she could dig up her water line. That's called being neighborly. And a white male friend from down the street (a Ron Paul democrat) helped me fix a Gibson guitar I found in an abandoned house. He was neighborly too. If our main focus becomes "What's going to happen where our group isn't on top" then we are done both as a movement and as a nation.

[jmdrake]

That's what I've been trying to tell you. Our real enemies have us fighting other groups of people instead of them. And they're using our fears against us. It takes men of strong resolve to see through their bull$#@! games.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again.

I don't doubt your point.

So, when the "fake enemies" pull a, figurative and literal, gun on me, what do I do?

That's the point I'm trying to make.

Our enemies may very well be "fake" in the sense that they are ginned up and fanned up by the powers that be above them.

That does not negate the fact that they can do incredible, killing, genocidal damage in the meantime.

See: Rwanda.

See Rwanda? How about see Ukraine and Crimea? White on white killing going on there. Meanwhile Rwanda is now at peace and right behind Austria and Japan on the Heritage Foundation economic freedom index at #33. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Ukraine is at #147. Let's bring in a bunch of Ukrainians! /sarcasm

[Swordsmyth]

Nothing wrong with whites or white males. Some of my best friends are white. Plenty wrong with "We've got to save our white majority neighborhoods." That's where balkanization comes from. "I've got to protect by Serbian/Croatian/Ukrainian/Russian enclave!" That's how ethnic cleansing starts. My neighborhood is historically black. White people are moving in. I don't give a crap. I lent one a pick and shovel so she could dig up her water line. That's called being neighborly. And a white male friend from down the street (a Ron Paul democrat) helped me fix a Gibson guitar I found in an abandoned house. He was neighborly too. If our main focus becomes "What's going to happen where our group isn't on top" then we are done both as a movement and as a nation.

Tell it to the people who are making an issue out of targeting us.
If you don't want an overreaction then stop the people who are backing us into a corner.

[jmdrake]

Tell it to the people who are making an issue out of targeting us.
If you don't want an overreaction then stop the people who are backing us into a corner.

I could care less about your reaction because you are a moron.

[Swordsmyth]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CaptUSA again.



See Rwanda? How about see Ukraine and Crimea? White on white killing going on there. Meanwhile Rwanda is now at peace and right behind Austria and Japan on the Heritage Foundation economic freedom index at #33. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Ukraine is at #147. Let's bring in a bunch of Ukrainians! /sarcasm

AF doesn't want to bring in a bunch of Ukrainians any more than I do, he agrees with me that we need a total freeze on immigration for now.

[Swordsmyth]

I could care less about your reaction because you are a moron.

LOL
It's not my reaction and you should be concerned about how morons react, there are millions of them and they are dangerous when backed into a corner and threatened with extermination.

Talk to the people who are making this about race, it's not whites.

[jmdrake]

AF doesn't want to bring in a bunch of Ukrainians any more than I do, he agrees with me that we need a total freeze on immigration for now.

AF made the point about Rwanda and I was simply pointing out to him that Rwanda has turned the corner politically and economically whereas Ukraine is becoming, as Trump would say it, a shythole. That's all. Carry on with your douchebaggery.

[jmdrake]

Talk to the people who are making this about race, it's not whites.

In this thread it was.

[Swordsmyth]

AF made the point about Rwanda and I was simply pointing out to him that Rwanda has turned the corner politically and economically whereas Ukraine is becoming, as Trump would say it, a shythole. That's all. Carry on with your douchebaggery.

And you completely missed AF's point, he didn't pick Rawanda because the people there were black, he picked it because it is a famous case of racial genocide.
But as a reverse racist you immediately assumed he chose it because they were black.

[Swordsmyth]

In this thread it was.

As a reaction to the people who started the racial division, it isn't a new phenomenon either, the left has been building up to where we are since before I was born.

If you want to see it stop then you will have to talk to the people who are the root of the problem, we have to react to a certain extent in self defense and the dumber people will overreact.

[jmdrake]

As a reaction to the people who started the racial division, it isn't a new phenomenon either, the left has been building up to where we are since before I was born.

Bullshyt. Total bullshyt. The first comment to bring up race was about white minority neighborhoods. But I don't expect you to ever tell the truth.

[jmdrake]

And you completely missed AF's point, he didn't pick Rawanda because the people there were black, he picked it because it is a famous case of racial genocide.
But as a reverse racist you immediately assumed he chose it because they were black.

I didn't say anything about race dumbass. I pointed out that Rwanda, while once a famous case of ethnic (not racial moron), genocide is now a poster child for economic freedom. And you just made the Rwanda genocide about race when both groups were black.

[Swordsmyth]

Bullshyt. Total bullshyt. The first comment to bring up race was about white minority neighborhoods. But I don't expect you to ever tell the truth.

And the reason that is an issue to some people is because "minorities" are hostile to whites thanks to the left, nobody would care if they weren't.
The left started this snowball rolling downhill and only they can stop it, whites are not the ones who keep pushing the accelerator peddle farther down.

[Swordsmyth]

I didn't say anything about race dumbass. I pointed out that Rwanda, while once a famous case of ethnic (not racial moron), genocide is now a poster child for economic freedom. And you just made the Rwanda genocide about race when both groups were black.

Race/ethnicity, it's all part of the same spectrum and people use the terms interchangeably.
And YOU made it about race:

Originally Posted by jmdrake


See Rwanda? How about see Ukraine and Crimea? White on white killing going on there. Meanwhile Rwanda is now at peace and right behind Austria and Japan on the Heritage Foundation economic freedom index at #33. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking Ukraine is at #147. Let's bring in a bunch of Ukrainians! /sarcasm

Perhaps you do it without even realizing it because it is such a deeply integrated part of your world view.