Venezuela was my home, and socialism destroyed it

[Cap]

More like CIAism is destroying Venezuela. I wonder why we are ignoring the un Federal non Reserve having Federal Reserve. The CIA has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for decades, thats what destroying Venezuela. The Petro Dollar anyone? It couldn't be all the oil Venezuela has that "Socialism" wants to destroy is it?

It really is just this simple.

[Superfluous Man]

Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

I have not seen evidence of this. Have you?

[Superfluous Man]

This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned.

That's only because there was a rogue moderator at the time who was still trying to push for Ron to get nominated and give a speech from the convention floor against the wishes of Ron himself and banned people for supporting Ron Paul's decision.

Rand did nothing wrong in that endorsement.

Criticizing Venezuela's socialism is not pablum. Nor is it calling for regime change. A person can criticize the destructive socialist policies of foreign regimes and warn their own countrymen not to follow that same destructive path without calling for regime change there. In fact, I don't see how we can do anything other than that.

[angelatc]

It is the proper response.

And our response should be to close the borders and cease all immigration, especially from failed socialist states.

If they want to survive on zoo animals and pograms, that's on them. Tough $#@! for them, I say.

Don't even think about bringing that trash here.

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

[angelatc]

This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention.

And there is it. Like clockwork.

$20 says he voted for Bernie and Hillary both.

[Superfluous Man]

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense.

I don't think Ron Paul would oppose you in that. Voluntary participation in a boycott is exactly what someone with your views should do, and if they want others to join them, then try to convince them to by their own choice.

This philosophy should replace all trade sanctions.

[angelatc]

I don't think Ron Paul would oppose you in that. Voluntary participation in a boycott is exactly what someone with your views should do, and if they want others to join them, then try to convince them to by their own choice.

This philosophy should replace all trade sanctions.

What is so maddening here is that Venezuela doesn't allow imports from anybody. We don't need trade sanctions, and that's not what this is.

[Miguel]

What is so maddening here is that Venezuela doesn't allow imports from anybody. We don't need trade sanctions, and that's not what this is.

Venezuela does allow imports, just not from the U.S.

[angelatc]

Venezuela does allow imports, just not from the U.S.

Source?

[Anti Federalist]

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

I agree.

We have more than enough supply here to make up the paltry amounts being bought.

Keep in mind Venezualan crude is high sulfur "black" crude of fairly low quality, less demand these days for that anyway,

[Krugminator2]

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott

The normal thinking on this is oil is world market. If the US didn't allow oil from Venezuela into the US then someone else would just buy their oil and it would have no effect on their profits. That's why we still buy oil from the worst Middle East countries. One argument against Venezuela might be they own Citgo and getting rid of that would hurt their profits.


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[Warlord]

this kid is/was smart enough to escape but what about the millions that are suffering?

[juleswin]

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

I don't think anyone has a problem with YOU as an individual, company boycotting anyone. For instance, I support BDS of Israel which is private sector boycott by individual and corporation. This type of boycott leaves govt out of it and this way anyone else who doesn't believe in my agenda can give me the mddle finger and continue to buy items from Israel. This is not what we have with Venezuela, the US govt doesn't buy Venezuelan oil, it is individuals in the market deciding they want to engage in commerce with Venezuela.

But thanks to Trump, these individuals are prevented from buying that crude. Btw, one of the smart things Venezuela did with the oil riches was to buy refineries in the US. They bought these refineries so they can refine their oil with it. I won't be surprised if the majority of the oil purchases were done by those companies and its affiliates.

Starve them to death? dont you mean "let em starve"? One is passive and the other is active, makes me think that deep down inside where your heart is supposed to be, you know exactly what we have been doing to that country.

[juleswin]

The normal thinking on this is oil is world market. If the US didn't allow oil from Venezuela into the US then someone else would just buy their oil and it would have no effect on their profits. That's why we still buy oil from the worst Middle East countries. One argument against Venezuela might be they own Citgo and getting rid of that would hurt their profits.


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To be fair, with Iran which is by a wide margin not the worst Middle east(near east?) nation, we have sanction that limit their oil sale. We don't buy their oil and in fact we have been pressuring India not to buy their oil. Thank God they ignored the last 2 idiots in the WH

[Miguel]

Source?

[angelatc]

Russian propaganda on Youtube isn't a legitimate source. Please point me to their updated trade laws.

[Miguel]

Russian propaganda on Youtube isn't a legitimate source. Please point me to their updated trade laws.

Actually its a Iranian source. Here's some good ol' American yahoo propaganda https://news.yahoo.com/china-against...095250390.html

[angelatc]

Actually its a Iranian source. Here's some good ol' American yahoo propaganda https://news.yahoo.com/china-against...095250390.html

I will take this to mean that you do not actually have a link to any updated Venezuelan trade laws then.

[Miguel]

I will take this to mean that you do not actually have a link to any updated Venezuelan trade laws then.

I'll take it you can tell me the new neocon Laws?