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"appeared". Call me skeptical about that evaluation. I would guess it would have to hit the ground further away (lesser angle) from the shooter to maintain it's energy to kill her. No doubt no one did any experiments to confirm or deny the hypothesis. Now if he was shooting at a bird on the ground, then 15 feet away might make sense, but that excuse was never used.
While it wouldn't be terribly hard for an experienced shooter to hit a person at 100 yards (taking their time), there would be some (bad) luck involved for a beginner. He may have been aiming at a seal, or the father, or people on the pier in general. But it lined up with Kate.
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Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
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The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Even the people in Mexico and Latin America are sick of these $#@!birds. Some of the most vigilant border wall advocates are former immigrants who went through the legal process.
I don’t know. From my experience, I thought the opposite.
http://libertynews.com/2013/02/feds-...ow-point-ammo/
Last edited by Danke; 11-30-2017 at 11:01 PM.
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Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Without performing the actual trigonometry, if the bullet hit her in the back (assume something like four feet off the ground) 300 feet past the ricochet and the point of the ricochet was about 15 feet from where he was, that gun wasn't very far off the ground when it went off. She was 20 times farther from that point than he was.
Garcia Zarate said he found the gun wrapped in a T-shirt on the pier and it accidentally fired when he picked it up.http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...030-story.htmlAuthorities returned to the popular pier four days later, after the bullet was found to be partially flattened, indicating it had ricocheted, he said.
OK- using an online calculator figuring four feet high and 300 feet away, the angle off the pier was 0.78 degrees. Granted a bullet will lose height over that distance. Figuring 15 feet as the distance from the gun to the ricochet point, it gives me about 0.2 feet off the ground.
http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calrtri.htm
I have seen different figures for how far away she was from the ricochet. This article claims 78 feet: http://abc7news.com/expert-for-defen...ullet/2610897/
That gives me an angle of three degrees and an estimated height of 0.77 feet.
(edited to correct calculations- I missed a decimal point in the original one I posted)
From that article:
First, he testified that the trigger pull of the gun used to shoot Kate Steinle was light, about four pounds when left in single action mode, meaning ready to fire.
"If someone were to try to grab it or catch it or if it caught on an article of clothing, it could discharge and we're talking about an extremely light trigger pull," Norris testified.
Initially, Garcia Zarate told police he found the stolen gun at the pier and that it went off when he stepped on it, but later admitted to holding the gun wrapped in a piece of cloth and examining it when it went of.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-30-2017 at 11:59 PM.
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I believe the world is full of people who want to destroy freedom, we have too many of them already here, we have to control who comes here or we will not be able to keep what we have let alone get more, the closer we get to true freedom the more true this principle becomes.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Who or what is dobie?
In any case if you control your border you can be as free as you allow yourself to be inside it, if you leave it you can only be as free as the people outside allow you to be, if you don't control it you can only be as free as whoever crosses it allows you to be.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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classic jury nullification ; and they elected Roy moore
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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You can speculate all day long. First of all, I am a skeptic, and I have little faith that the true trajectory was discovered, or will ever be known. I don't trust that the "mark" they found on the ground was where the bullet first hit. Maybe it ricocheted off of something else. Maybe it ricocheted off a purse buckle or a bone. Maybe it didn't ricochet at all.
I don't know, you don't know, and I don't trust that the cops (or even a scientist) would know for sure.
What we do know is that it came from that gun, and hit her. That is the known fact.
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
No, illegal immigration as we've been seeing for 40 years now is a consequence of our so-called War on Drugs. Humans don't uproot en mass from communities, customs, and land they've been familiar with for generations, unless those communities are being destroyed by man or environment.
If he wasn't everybody's poster child for this or that, just some mug, he'd be cooling for a long time, but we have careers to consider and feelings to foment.
Last edited by Raginfridus; 12-01-2017 at 01:10 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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