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    Democrat's bold plan to return to power.

    As much as I can't stand most republicans, democrats are even worse. I heard Chuck Schumer this morning talking about how the democrats were too timid and that's why they lost the election. He said this time they are going to be bold and "GO AFTER" the evil rich. He used the phrase "GO AFTER" over and over. "We're going to "GO AFTER" the big pharma companies. We're going to "GO AFTER" the big oil companies. "GO AFTER" big mergers."

    What do you suppose GO AFTER means?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    As much as I can't stand most republicans, democrats are even worse. I heard Chuck Schumer this morning talking about how the democrats were too timid and that's why they lost the election. He said this time they are going to be bold and "GO AFTER" the evil rich. He used the phrase "GO AFTER" over and over. "We're going to "GO AFTER" the big pharma companies. We're going to "GO AFTER" the big oil companies. "GO AFTER" big mergers."

    What do you suppose GO AFTER means?
    Round them up in FEMA camps? Nuke them?

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    Round them up in FEMA camps? Nuke them?

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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    They are trying to sound more populist: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/opinio...ies/index.html

    Democrats: Our plan for a better deal

    Reps. Cheri Bustos, David Cicilline and Hakeem Jeffries serve as co-chairs of the House Democratic Policy & Communications Committee. Bustos represents Illinois 17th Congressional District, Cicilline represents Rhode Island's 1st Congressional District and Jeffries represents New York's 8th Congressional District. The views expressed in this commentary are their own.

    (CNN)Not a day goes by without another allegation or reckless tweet fueling the dysfunction of a deeply divided Republican Congress that fails to govern while hardworking families across the country are left behind. Mired in controversy, Washington Republicans are unable to uphold the basic bargain they made with the American people when they were elected: to fight to create new good-paying jobs and support sustained economic growth.

    The simple truth is the economy isn't working the way it should; incomes and wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. Wage stagnation, underemployment, the exploding cost of a college education and the erosion of pensions are leaving many without hope. From rural towns to inner cities, millions can no longer achieve the American dream. Meanwhile, Washington special interests and powerful corporations have acquired more and more wealth.

    The three of us represent very different districts in Rhode Island, New York and Illinois. Despite the clear regional differences, what we hear from our constituents is the same: They are tired of this rigged system. What they want most is a fighting chance at building a brighter future for themselves and their families. And what they need is a better deal.

    On Monday, House and Senate Democrats will come together to unveil A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future, a bold economic agenda that works for all Americans to bring higher wages, lower costs and the tools Americans need to succeed.

    Democrats will deliver real solutions, lasting economic growth and take significant action to improve the lives of the American people.

    This agenda was created from the ground up across both the House and the Senate, and includes input from across the entire ideological spectrum. By listening to all voices, the agenda reflects the beautiful mosaic and diversity of our country -- as well as the hopes, dreams and aspirations of its people.

    Through A Better Deal, we will create opportunities for those who need them most, not just those at the very top. We'll make government responsive to all hardworking Americans, not just a select few. And we'll make certain that if you work hard that you can support your family, that you can retire with the security and dignity that you've earned, and that your children can get the skills and knowledge they need to secure good-paying jobs in their hometowns.

    For Democrats, this is our collective vision. This is not a slogan. It's who we are and what we intend to accomplish for the American people.

    First, our plan starts by creating millions of good-paying, full-time jobs by directly investing in our crumbling infrastructure -- and putting people back to work building our roads and bridges. To help our small businesses thrive, we will prioritize entrepreneurs over giving tax breaks to special interests. We will fight for a living wage -- so parents don't have to work three or four jobs just to pay rent. And we will keep our promise to millions of workers who earned a pension, Social Security and Medicare so they can retire with dignity.

    Second, we will lower the crippling cost of prescription drugs and the cost of an education that leads to a good job with a college degree or a technical skill. And we will crack down on monopolies and the concentration of economic power that has led to higher prices for consumers, workers and small businesses -- and make sure Wall Street never endangers Main Street again.

    Third, we will offer new tax incentives to employers to invest in their workforce through training and education. To make sure our country stays on the cutting edge, we will bring high-speed Internet to every community in America and offer an apprenticeship to millions of new workers. We will encourage innovation, invest in advanced research and ensure start-ups and small businesses can compete and prosper. By making it possible for every American to get the skills, tools and knowledge to find a job or to move up in their career, we'll not only improve individual lives, we'll also stay competitive in the global economy.

    The choice we face is simple. We can continue down this path of a rigged system and allow Washington to turn a blind eye to painful economic realities that so many Americans are facing. Or we can stand on the side of the American people. We can invest in hardworking families and build an economy that puts Americans first -- defined by better jobs, better wages and a better future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    As much as I can't stand most republicans, democrats are even worse. I heard Chuck Schumer this morning talking about how the democrats were too timid and that's why they lost the election. He said this time they are going to be bold and "GO AFTER" the evil rich. He used the phrase "GO AFTER" over and over. "We're going to "GO AFTER" the big pharma companies. We're going to "GO AFTER" the big oil companies. "GO AFTER" big mergers."

    What do you suppose GO AFTER means?
    There is NO difference between Repubs and Dems- they just use different talking points to keep the masses happy while they keep pushing the same agenda.
    There is no spoon.

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    I should think it means they mean to follow behind them in an obeisant manner.

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    The Freedom Index: A Congressional Scorecard Based on the U.S. Constitution

    "The Freedom Index: A Congressional Scorecard Based on the U.S. Constitution" rates congressmen based on their adherence to constitutional principles of limited government, fiscal responsibility, national sovereignty, and a traditional foreign policy of avoiding foreign entanglements. The percentages below are cumulative scores based on key votes from 1999 through 2015. Click on a senator's or representative's name to get a detailed breakdown of his or her voting record.


    Only 20% of New Yorkers over 50%. Schumer at 13%. I guess "GO AFTER" means go after freedom.


    New York
    Sen. Charles Schumer - 13%
    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand - 13%
    Dist.1: Lee Zeldin - 60%
    Dist.2: Peter King - 45%
    Dist.3: Thomas Suozzi - N/A
    Dist.4: Kathleen Rice - 7%
    Dist.5: Gregory Meeks - 19%
    Dist.6: Grace Meng - 24%
    Dist.7: Nydia Velázquez - 26%
    Dist.8: Hakeem Jeffries - 28%
    Dist.9: Yvette Clarke - 26%
    Dist.10: Jerrold Nadler - 24%
    Dist.11: Daniel Donovan - 51%
    Dist.12: Carolyn Maloney - 21%
    Dist.13: Adriano Espaillat - N/A
    Dist.14: Joseph Crowley - 21%
    Dist.15: José Serrano - 24%
    Dist.16: Eliot Engel - 18%
    Dist.17: Nita Lowey - 15%
    Dist.18: Sean Maloney - 18%
    Dist.19: John Faso - N/A
    Dist.20: Paul Tonko - 23%
    Dist.21: Elise Stefanik - 42%
    Dist.22: Claudia Tenney - N/A
    Dist.23: Tom Reed - 57%
    Dist.24: John Katko - 51%
    Dist.25: Louise Slaughter - 20%
    Dist.26: Brian Higgins - 17%
    Dist.27: Chris Collins - 53%



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There is NO difference between Repubs and Dems- they just use different talking points to keep the masses happy while they keep pushing the same agenda.
    I don't think there's a huge difference, but there is a little in my opinion. Democrats say they're going to do the wrong thing and move us towards socialism and they do. Republicans occasionally say they're going to do the right thing, but they rarely do. In other words republicans are a little less socialistic, but more hypocritical.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Thank you for your contribution to the discussion!
    Man, Zippy was all over that, like stink on doo doo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Round them up in FEMA camps? Nuke them?
    No, not that drastic. Normally "go after" in government terminology means "fine" then "put in jail" then "kill". Depending on when compliance is reached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    There is NO difference between Repubs and Dems- they just use different talking points to keep the masses happy while they keep pushing the same agenda.
    The establishment co-opted both major political parties, I think that their plan will backfire though. They exploit peoples political differences in ideology in order to silence any opposition to the establishment. I think we may see the death of political parties when they burn it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The establishment co-opted both major political parties, I think that their plan will backfire though. They exploit peoples political differences in ideology in order to silence any opposition to the establishment. I think we may see the death of political parties when they burn it down.
    It's been co-opted for over 100 years- let us pray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    It's been co-opted for over 100 years- let us pray.
    You seem to believe in all sorts of vast conspiracies yet you scoff at the idea that that guys like Count and Zippy are getting paid a few bucks to post negative press against republicans.

    It vexes me, I'm terribly vexed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    You seem to believe in all sorts of vast conspiracies yet you scoff at the idea that that guys like Count and Zippy are getting paid a few bucks to post negative press against republicans.

    It vexes me, I'm terribly vexed.
    The deep state isn't a conspiracy theory anymore. The conspiracy theory is that it doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    They are trying to sound more populist: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/opinio...ies/index.html
    They are trying to sound more populist...

    They are sounding more pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    You seem to believe in all sorts of vast conspiracies yet you scoff at the idea that that guys like Count and Zippy are getting paid a few bucks to post negative press against republicans.

    It vexes me, I'm terribly vexed.
    If you REALLY want to know what is going on, you have to read ALL sides- not just your comfy zone stuff. Maybe if you actually read @TheCount's posts you'd understand that his manner is sarcasm. As far as @Zippyjuan goes, he just offers different POVs, which I like as it saves me from hunting them down.

    And I'm really vexed at all the hate and nastiness that has come to the forum from this whole last election BS. No argument? Call names!

    Having a real discussion on the board is almost impossible these days.
    There is no spoon.



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    I suppose good honest reform is out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    If you REALLY want to know what is going on, you have to read ALL sides- not just your comfy zone stuff. Maybe if you actually read @TheCount's posts you'd understand that his manner is sarcasm. As far as @Zippyjuan goes, he just offers different POVs, which I like as it saves me from hunting them down.

    And I'm really vexed at all the hate and nastiness that has come to the forum from this whole last election BS. No argument? Call names!

    Having a real discussion on the board is almost impossible these days.
    What are the odds that a libertarian can find literally thousands of faults with republicans and zero with democrats? I'd say 0.00% wouldn't you?

    It's not really a big deal, I'm sure the GOP does the same thing. They probably pay a few guys to post negative stuff about democrats over on democratic underground as well. It's probably a cost effective way to switch few votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    I suppose good honest reform is out of the question.
    Not until we run out of free stuff and we have our "Greece Moment". Then there's a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I should think it means they mean to follow behind them in an obeisant manner.
    Oh is this the "Better Deal"(tm) I saw flashed on the news feed earlier? The New Deal is running out of suckers...err steam....and needs to be freshened up.

    In reality, all of the "going after" will be little more than charades for the masses to create support to enact the changes the bankers want and have planned for a long time.

    "You wanted us to go after the oil industry! Sorry that gas now costs $7 per gallon! You wanted it!"

    "You wanted us to go after the pharma companies! Sorry that meds are on strict rationing now, health care is unaffordable and people are dying. You wanted it!"

    "You wanted us to go after trade imbalances! Sorry that anything imported now costs a fortune. You wanted it!"

    "You wanted us to go after illegal immigrants! Sorry that you must now have this chip in your hand to identify you as a Citizen. You wanted it!"

    etc etc

    When all of it can be chalked up to the FRN petrodollar standard being dropped and the next phase of the NWO implemented. Hegelian Dialectic 101. A wise man once said, "The purpose of government is to pretend to fail."

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The deep state isn't a conspiracy theory anymore. The conspiracy theory is that it doesn't exist.
    Only low-info types ever thought it was CT. Only low info types think it's not getting exactly what it wants with Trump at the helm. He was put there for a very specific reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    What are the odds that a libertarian can find literally thousands of faults with republicans and zero with democrats? I'd say 0.00% wouldn't you?

    It's not really a big deal, I'm sure the GOP does the same thing. They probably pay a few guys to post negative stuff about democrats over on democratic underground as well. It's probably a cost effective way to switch few votes.
    Uh, when an OP is about a repub, why should someone post negs about dems?

    AND, Zippy said nothing wonderful about dems on this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Uh, when an OP is about a repub, why should someone post negs about dems?

    AND, Zippy said nothing wonderful about dems on this post.
    C'mon man. I'm not just talking about this thread. You're not challenging the fact that Zippy and Count only criticize republicans are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    C'mon man. I'm not just talking about this thread. You're not challenging the fact that Zippy and Count only criticize republicans are you?
    They criticize a lot of politicians but- So. What.

    Who's in charge of Congress? The Repubs. They were also in charge the last 2 years of Obama's presidency and through all of W's.

    I'm sure there's nothing to criticize there, amirite?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    They criticize a lot of politicians but- So. What.
    Wrong. Only republicans. You aren't paying attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Who's in charge of Congress? The Repubs. They were also in charge the last 2 years of Obama's presidency and through all of W's.
    Wait, last sentence you implied they criticize both. Now you're making excuses for them only criticizing repubs. Make up your mind. Besides that it's a stupid excuse, the Dems have had just as much power over the last 12 years or so. Duh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I'm sure there's nothing to criticize there, amirite?
    I try to be honest. I hate both parties, and I can show you dozens of posts that prove it as can 99% of the people here. I get annoyed when I see someone who is one sided, especially when they deny it. Dishonesty annoys me.

    This was just from today:

    Quote Originally Posted by johndeal
    So Roy Moore or Mo Brooks?
    Are either of them worth supporting? Got a call from a Brannon guy asking for donations for Roy Moore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320
    No! I live in Bama and both of those guys are terrible, especially Roy Moore. Do a search on the 10 commandment fiasco with Roy Moore.

    I used to vote republican unless there was a libertarian on the ballot. After I moved to AL in 2000 I quit voting republican, I just leave it blank unless there's a libertarian. That's how bad the republicans are here.



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    I DO pay attention AND I appreciate your honesty but I think you are just falling into the hate-bait pit that a few other members are promoting.

    Zip's always been blasted on but, AFIK, the Count only started drawing the hate-bait when he started posting against Trump. Now people try to make him baaaaad and I do not agree. Besides, if you don't like them, put them on ignore.

    And, for what it's worth, I don't like the 2 parties, either- just want a Ron Paul or 2 or 3 to help us in this critical time.
    There is no spoon.

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    As Lewis Black said, we have a party of no ideas and a party of bad ideas.

    Hell, I couldn't even tell you what each party's core message is anymore. The Democrats are all over the damn place and the Republicans haven't decided if they're going to throw away all of their principles and just go flat out populist or not.

    As for "going after" big banks, big pharma, and big mergers: I don't think that is a Democratic thing. You can find the same suggestions right here on this forum, usually advocated by the very Trumpiest of posters. This is fundamentally a populist idea, in my opinion, and that is why Trump and Sanders shared many of the same fundamental economic philosophies during the campaign. Everything that is wrong with your life is the fault of somebody else, and that person is (fill in the blank; some suggestions: Mexican, White, rich, a government employee, a private sector employee, a banker). Your life would be way better if only we went and $#@!ed that guy over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Everything...
    Here we go....

    that is wrong with your life is the fault of somebody else, and that person is (fill in the blank; some suggestions: Mexican, White, rich, a government employee, a private sector employee, a banker). Your life would be way better if only we went and $#@!ed that guy over.
    Yeah, $700B in bailouts for insurance companies kept a real estate bubble from popping, therefore driving up prices even higher. And yeah, the unbridled printing of money does hurt the average joe. And yeah, immigrants, legal or illegal, do take jobs that could be done by born natives, and yeah, illegal immigrants often pay very little in taxes, and often, being non-respecters of the law anyway, collect benefits as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    As Lewis Black said, we have a party of no ideas and a party of bad ideas.

    Hell, I couldn't even tell you what each party's core message is anymore. The Democrats are all over the damn place and the Republicans haven't decided if they're going to throw away all of their principles and just go flat out populist or not.

    As for "going after" big banks, big pharma, and big mergers: I don't think that is a Democratic thing. You can find the same suggestions right here on this forum, usually advocated by the very Trumpiest of posters. This is fundamentally a populist idea, in my opinion, and that is why Trump and Sanders shared many of the same fundamental economic philosophies during the campaign. Everything that is wrong with your life is the fault of somebody else, and that person is (fill in the blank; some suggestions: Mexican, White, rich, a government employee, a private sector employee, a banker). Your life would be way better if only we went and $#@!ed that guy over.
    Government employees alone cause more damage to more people than any court system short of judgement day could possibly punish, there are several other categories you mentioned that rival them, you are showing your insanity again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Yeah, $700B in bailouts for insurance companies kept a real estate bubble from popping, therefore driving up prices even higher.
    Goverment's fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    And yeah, the unbridled printing of money does hurt the average joe.
    Also government's fault.

    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    And yeah, immigrants, legal or illegal, do take jobs that could be done by born natives, and yeah, illegal immigrants often pay very little in taxes, and often, being non-respecters of the law anyway, collect benefits as well.
    Yep, government's fault.

    Punishing insurance companies won't keep the government from bailing other other companies in the future.

    Punishing bankers won't stop the government from printing money.

    Deporting all the immigrants won't stop the government from taxing you.

    So why do you want to blame people for things that are the fault of government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Government employees alone cause more damage
    Except ICE agents and cops, right? You support that kind of government employee.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
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