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Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
You are mistaken. (You probably also haven't read the history of police and law in Murica, chronicled in various posts and threads by AF and I)
The town that eliminated the police-
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/l...depart/437834/
+rep, sir.
I'm surprised to see a member whom I recognize to be somewhat of a regular here to make such a foolish statement.
I'm staggered that such a woeful misunderstanding of our view of statelessness/voluntarism persists here, after literally YEARS of debate on the topic.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Hey, does anarcho-capitalism allow me to manufacture and sell chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to whomever I want?
Here's some thoughts from real Anarchists on the use of the oxymoronic term ''anarcho-capitalism''...
Introductory snip taken from The Anarchist FAQ Editorial Collective - An Anarchist FAQ (07/17), ''Section F: Is “anarcho”-capitalism a type of anarchism?''
Section F: Is “anarcho”-capitalism a type of anarchism?
Anyone who has followed political discussion on the net has probably come across people calling themselves “libertarians” but arguing from a right-wing, pro-capitalist perspective. ...
In the US, though, the Right has partially succeeded in appropriating the term “libertarian” for itself. Even stranger is that a few of these right-wingers have started calling themselves “anarchists” in what must be one of the finest examples of an oxymoron in the English language: “Anarcho-capitalist”!!!
Arguing with fools is seldom rewarded, but to let their foolishness to go unchallenged risks allowing them to deceive those who are new to anarchism. This is what this section of the FAQ is for, to show why the claims of these “anarchist” capitalists are false. Anarchism has always been anti-capitalist and any “anarchism” that claims otherwise cannot be part of the anarchist tradition. It is important to stress that anarchist opposition to the so-called capitalist “anarchists” do not reflect some kind of debate within anarchism, as many of these types like to pretend, but a debate between anarchism and its old enemy, capitalism. In many ways this debate mirrors the one between Peter Kropotkin and Herbert Spencer (an English capitalist minimal statist) at the turn the 19th century and, as such, it is hardly new.
F: Is “anarcho”-capitalism a type of anarchism?
F.1 Are “anarcho”-capitalists really anarchists?
F.2 What do “anarcho”-capitalists mean by freedom?
F.2.1 How does private property affect freedom?
F.2.2 Do “libertarian”-capitalists support slavery?
F.3 Why do anarcho”-capitalists place little or no value on equality?
F.3.1 Why is this disregard for equality important?
F.3.2 Can there be harmony of interests in an unequal society?
F.4 What is the right-“libertarian” position on private property?
F.4.1 What is wrong with a “homesteading” theory of property?
F.5 Will privatising “the commons” increase liberty?
F.6 Is “anarcho”-capitalism against the state?
F.6.1 What’s wrong with this “free market” justice?
F.6.2 What are the social consequences of such a system?
F.6.3 But surely market forces will stop abuses by the rich?
F.6.4 Why are these “defence associations” states?
F.7 How does the history of “anarcho”-capitalism show that it is not anarchist?
F.7.1 Are competing governments anarchism?
F.7.2 Is government compatible with anarchism?
F.7.3 Can there be a “right-wing” anarchism?
F.8 What role did the state take in the creation of capitalism?
F.8.1 What social forces lay behind the rise of capitalism?
F.8.2 What was the social context of the statement “laissez-faire?”
F.8.3 What other forms did state intervention in creating capitalism take?
F.8.4 Aren’t the enclosures a socialist myth?
F.8.5 What about the lack of enclosures in the Americas?
F.8.6 How did working people view the rise of capitalism?
Last edited by Natural Citizen; 10-19-2017 at 07:02 PM.
The "right to rule" is what the Revolution was fought over,, and what founded this country.
Initially,, there were no "rulers".
There were elected representatives. NO one ruled.
There were NO Police.. the concept had not yet been introduced. and there were protections written in to protect from such.
sadly we are a long way from what was intended.
However,, humans need some form of organization to resist "Rulers"
and sadly,, humans here cheer the warlords and welcome a strongman to tell them what to do. every 4 years.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Us means 'not you.'
You've proven yourself to be a poor contributor to the discussion. And in most discussions, to be frankly honest.
You should grab yourself another couple of milwaukee's best and go back to the picture thread, O. I believe you own 2/3 of the contributions there. That's more up your alley. If we need a unicorn meme, we'll whistle for you. Okay?
Leave this discussion to the adults.
Pst...
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
It troubles you because your guiding principle seems to be 'order'. Perhaps not, but this statement makes it seem so.
You argue that practically we cannot have a stateless society because some subset of humanity will organize themselves into a State and destroy or enslave the stateless society. Fine. That's not a philosophical argument against the stateless society, it's a practical argument against it. Can you give me a philosophical argument for the State which aligns with the nature of Man?
Also, I do honestly understand the practical argument for the State. But I have to wonder why you folks like to point out that there has never been a successful stateless society (even tho' that's not really accurate, and additionally that the kind of stateless society we advocate here hasn't ever really been tried) yet can't acknowledge that the very order of society YOU advocate HAS in fact been tried and has in fact FAILED SPECTACULARLY.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
You lost the ability to be an "us" here when you tried to derail an activist thread. When is @Bryan going to ban Eagle? Why don't we all work to help Gunny and save these arguments for another time? http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...for-NC-House-7!
Last edited by The Rebel Poet; 10-20-2017 at 09:23 AM.
Amash>Trump
ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ
"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77
"ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather
"Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy
There it is again, that troubling attitude...
The goal should be the maximization of human liberty.
If a given political system doesn't do that, we shouldn't be advocating for it.
That a political system could work if people were different than they are doesn't improve the case for that system.
It's like your insisting that we all put water in our gas tanks, because water should run an internal combustion engine.
My guiding principle is maximizing human liberty.
RightYou argue that practically we cannot have a stateless society because some subset of humanity will organize themselves into a State and destroy or enslave the stateless society.
Yes, the argument against anarchism is a practical one.That's not a philosophical argument against the stateless society, it's a practical argument against it.
I'm not sure what you mean..Can you give me a philosophical argument for the State which aligns with the nature of Man?
Failed how, and in comparison to what?Also, I do honestly understand the practical argument for the State. But I have to wonder why you folks like to point out that there has never been a successful stateless society (even tho' that's not really accurate, and additionally that the kind of stateless society we advocate here hasn't ever really been tried) yet can't acknowledge that the very order of society YOU advocate HAS in fact been tried and has in fact FAILED SPECTACULARLY.
Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.
Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.
Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.
Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.
Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.
Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.
Actually, I was "us" years before you bothered to show up. Back when people actually got off their ass and did something, besides flap their gums. It was amazing back then.
Are you upset that your threads bitching about both Bryan and me were shut down over in Orignalist's little forum? Are you still sending out tweets to members here, trying to pull them over there?
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
The issue as you correctly point out is the same - protection of your property rights. Effective organization for the purpose of violating your rights is the problem, whether that organization is called the police, ACME security Service, the Sinaloa Cartel, or no name gang incorporated. Depriving an organization from obtaining a charter to operate does not solve that problem.
Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.
Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.
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