NEW POLL: Buttigieg surges in poll ahead of New Hampshire primary

[kahless]

The Bernie Bros will never vote for Mayor Cheat.

True and there will be a backlash regardless of whoever gets the nomination if it is not Bernie. I wonder if Hillary or Michelle O swooping in at the convention and putting Bernie on the ticket, would he accept it and would that placate his supporters enough to turn out to vote.

[Swordsmyth]

True and there will be a backlash regardless of whoever gets the nomination if it is not Bernie. I wonder if Hillary or Michelle O swooping in at the convention and putting Bernie on the ticket, would he accept it and would that placate his supporters enough to turn out to vote.

I don't know whether he would be offered the VP slot, whether he would take it or whether some of his supporters would accept that.
But a large part of his supporters would see it as selling out to the people who cheated him (and them) AGAIN, many were angered when he supported Hitlery after she got the nomination.

[RonZeplin]

A family man that cheated on his wife 15-30 years ago is not seen the same as an openly gay man in the here and now.

The choice being a very flawed example of a moral character or one that celebrates their immorality. Which one do you think people are going to pick, not how you would like people to think?

Unfortunately, the openly gay have already moved into the White House.



Donnell Trump's Drag Queen Story Hour

[Zippyjuan]

Trump advisor Roger Stone at Gay Pride:

[Swordsmyth]

President Donald Trump said he was a different kind of Republican. As someone from liberal New York, he signaled that he would be the person to finally move his political party on LGBTQ issues. He held up a Pride flag at a campaign event, and he said the key acronym (“L, G, B, T … Q”) at the 2016 Republican convention.
But Trump’s administration, based on its first year, has been anything but LGBTQ-friendly.
“He campaigned saying that he would be a good friend to LGBT people,” James Esseks, director of the ACLU’s LGBT and HIV Project, told me. “Actions speak far louder than words. And what he’s done has been a wreck.”
In its first year, the Trump administration has tried to reinstate a ban on transgender people in the military. It has nominated multiple people to the courts and elsewhere who have anti-LGBTQ records. It has directed its army of federal lawyers to take the anti-LGBTQ side in court cases. And it has done some extraordinarily petty things, like refusing to recognize Pride Month.


Many of the anti-LGBTQ actions the Trump administration took during its first year got very little attention in the mainstream press, typically receiving a couple of days of coverage at most. But as I reviewed the administration’s record, I was surprised by its breadth and scope. Altogether, it represents a distinctly anti-LGBTQ agenda.
Trump “doesn’t talk a lot about LGBTQ people,” Rebecca Isaacs, executive director of the LGBTQ rights group Equality Federation, told me. “But he’s done so many things that are as anti-LGBTQ as you could possibly be.” She added that they are things that might not seem “as clear as being anti–marriage equality,” but ultimately are anti-LGBTQ.
Here are some of the major anti-LGBTQ actions that Trump took during his first year in office:

• He tried to reinstate a ban on trans people joining and openly serving in the military. The Obama administration in 2016 announced plans to reverse the ban in 2017. But Trump, in a series of tweets last July, announced he would bring it back, arguing that trans-related health care is expensive. (Research from the RAND Corporation indicates that it would make up “a 0.04- to 0.13-percent increase in active-component health care expenditures.”) So far, Trump’s ban has been stymied by the courts — and trans people are now allowed to openly enlist and serve.
• Trump appointed Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to replace the consistently anti-LGBTQ Antonin Scalia. Although Gorsuch had a vague record on LGBTQ rights when he was nominated, civil rights advocates argued that, based on some of his past writings on marriage equality and religious issues, he could be a big opponent for LGBTQ equality. In just a few months on the bench, Gorsuch has proven advocates right; for one, he dissented against a Supreme Court ruling that requires states to list same-sex parents on birth certificates.
• Nearly one-third of Trump’s judicial nominees have anti-LGBTQ records, according to Lambda Legal. These nominees, if accepted by the Senate, may rule on major LGBTQ issues over the next few years, from anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ workers to trans access to bathrooms.
• The Trump administration rescinded a nonbinding Obama-era guidance that told K-12 schools that receive federal funding that trans students are protected under federal civil rights law and, therefore, schools should respect trans students’ rights, including their right to use bathrooms and locker rooms that align with their gender identity.The Trump administration took back the guidance altogether, arguing trans students aren’t protected under federal civil rights law.
• Trump’s Justice Department also rescinded another Obama-era memo that said trans workers are protected under civil rights law. This has enabled the federal government, including its army of attorneys, to now argue in court that anti-trans discrimination isn’t illegal under federal law. The courts are ultimately independent of the Trump administration, but the federal government can play a big role in legal arguments by throwing its people and resources behind a case.
• In a major Supreme Court case, Masterpiece Cakeshop Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the Trump administration argued in court in favor of Masterpiece Cakeshop, a bakery that’s claiming First Amendment rights to discriminate against same-sex couples. The case could have potentially enormous repercussions — opening a big loophole in anti-discrimination laws, particularly those that protect LGBTQ people, by letting business owners cite religious or moral justifications to discriminate.
• Trump’s Justice Department argued that anti-gay discrimination is legal, filing a friend-of-the-court brief claiming that the federal Civil Rights Act doesn’t protect gay and bisexual workers. The lawsuit in this case was filed by Donald Zarda, a skydiving instructor who says an employer, Altitude Express, fired him due to his sexual orientation. The Justice Department in effect argued that this was legal under federal law.
• The Justice Department has similarly taken anti-LGBTQ steps in other cases across the country, including one about North Carolina’s anti-trans bathroom law and one about discrimination against trans people in health care. “We’ve gone from a position where LGBT people are protected to one where we’re not,” Esseks of the ACLU said.
• The Trump administration sent out a “religious liberty” guidance to federal agencies, essentially asking them to respect “religious-liberty protections” in all of the federal government’s work. It’s unclear what kind of impact the guidance will have, but LGBTQ organizations worry that it will be used to justify discrimination against LGBTQ people within the federal government and its work.
• The Department of Health and Human Services enacted a new regulation and created an agency, the Division of Conscience and Religious Freedom, that will purportedly work to ensure health care providers’ religious liberties aren’t violated. LGBTQ groups argue this agency will effectively give doctors, nurses, and other medical staff cover to discriminate against LGBTQ people, because providers will now get protection from the federal government if they cite religious or moral objections to refuse service to LGBTQ patients.
• Without explanation, Trump fired all the members of the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS. “It’s outstanding,” Isaacs said. “HIV isn’t only in the LGBTQ community, but it largely is.”
• Trump failed to recognize LGBTQ Pride Month.

More at: https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/...tq-anniversary


And that was just the first year.

[kahless]

Unfortunately, the openly gay have already moved into the White House.

Donnell Trump's Drag Queen Story Hour

Trump advisor Roger Stone at Gay Pride:

Both irrelevant since neither are running for President. I do not think anyone wants gays to be discriminated against rather they just will not vote for them for President.

[enhanced_deficit]

I do not think anyone wants gays to be discriminated against rather they just will not vote for them for President.

EM.
Not sure if you ever been to any Christian Conservatives gathering but that statement is not entirely accurate.. even if things have been shifting on this issue towards a more liberal/progressive bent since Obama and Trump's drives for LGBTQ civil rights.



Pew Research Center












UT-TT Poll: Texans Divided on Gay Marriage

[Swordsmyth]

EM.
Not sure if you ever been to any Christian Conservatives gathering but that statement is not entirely accurate.. even if things have been shifting on this issue towards a more liberal/progressive bent since Obama and Trump's drives for LGBTQ civil rights.



Pew Research Center












UT-TT Poll: Texans Divided on Gay Marriage

That's not government discrimination.
People have a right to choose whom they associate with and marriage has a definition.

[kahless]

EM.
Not sure if you ever been to any Christian Conservatives gathering but that statement is not entirely accurate.. even if things have been shifting on this issue towards a more liberal/progressive bent since Obama and Trump's drives for LGBTQ civil rights.
...
UT-TT Poll: Texans Divided on Gay Marriage

To add to Sword's comment, government should not be in the business of marriage anyway.

[enhanced_deficit]

That's not government discrimination.
People have a right to choose whom they associate with and marriage has a definition.

Until liberal progressive Obama changed the definition, gummit did not allow 'gay marriage'.
In your view a consenting man has the right to marry two consenting women ?


Now other people are trying to change definition again.

Polygamy: The Next Marriage Rights Frontier!

Why same-sex marriage will pave the way to polygamy

By Peter Sprigg

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...hts-Frontier!&

[Swordsmyth]

Until liberal progressive Obama changed the definition, gummit did not allow 'gay marriage'.
In your view a consenting man has the right to marry two consenting women ?


Now other people are trying to change definition again.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...hts-Frontier!&

Marriage = One man and One woman in our culture and government can't change that..
They were offered civil partnerships as a compromise but that wasn't enough, they want to destroy marriage.

Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned

[unknown]

Bull$#@! media generated Santorum surge.

[donnay]

The survey shows Buttigieg at 25 percent and Sanders at 24 percent support among likely Democratic primary voters in New Hampshire, according to Suffolk's latest daily tracking poll results from Thursday and Friday evenings. Buttigieg has surged 10 percentage points over three nights.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/but...hampshire-poll

[Anti Federalist]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/but...hampshire-poll

They're gonna screw Comrade Bernie again.

LOL.

[Swordsmyth]

They're gonna screw Comrade Bernie again.

LOL.

Milwaukee will burn.

[Anti Federalist]

Milwaukee will burn.

Well, it'll keep the Bernie bros home.

[donnay]

They're gonna screw Comrade Bernie again.

LOL.

And Comrade Bernie will be more than happy to fall on his sword like he did last time-- he'll be able to buy another million dollar house somewhere. The Bernie supporters are the suckers who believe that Comrade Bernie actually cares about them. This man has gained his millions by the very government he rails about. His wife whom he spent his honeymoon with, in the Old Soviet Union, has been part of the College corruption in our country.

Jane Sanders, the wife of Sen. Bernie Sanders, was in trouble with the FBI for bankrupting a college and also securing a $10 million real estate deal in the process. Bernie blamed this investigation on President Trump, but this was done under Barack Obama.

https://truepundit.com/rigged-fbi-cl...of-bank-fraud/

[Warlord]

Who is behind VoteVets? @Brian4Liberty

[donnay]

Who is behind VoteVets? @Brian4Liberty

That's all for show--propaganda, helps condition people better.

[Anti Federalist]

Who is behind VoteVets? @Brian4Liberty

Leftist veteran's group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VoteVets.org

[ProBlue33]

If he wins he can forget about traditional voters.

Black Christians that traditionally vote for Democrats might be demoralized to just stay home, some might even vote for Trump.

All their Pastor has to say is "Don't Endorse Sodom & Gomorrah"

[devil21]

Marriage = One man and One woman in our culture and government can't change that..
They were offered civil partnerships as a compromise but that wasn't enough, they want to destroy marriage.

Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned

"Marriage" was destroyed a long time ago, right around the time where it turned into a governmental action (the merger of two corporate legal fictions with government as an invested economic third party) instead of a mutual bond between two people that may or may not be religious/ceremonial.

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If he wins he can forget about traditional voters.

Black Christians that traditionally vote for Democrats might be demoralized to just stay home, some might even vote for Trump.

All their Pastor has to say is "Don't Endorse Sodom & Gomorrah"

This is true. Black folks are somewhat quietly some of the most anti-gay people in the country. Even the notion that the rest of the Democrats are cool with it is fiction. I think earlier in this thread is a video of a religious Democrat who freaks when she finds out after her caucus vote for Pete that he's gay.

[Warlord]

Some polls are showing Mayor Pete surging, others show Sanders with an 8 point lead.

[Anti Globalist]

True and there will be a backlash regardless of whoever gets the nomination if it is not Bernie. I wonder if Hillary or Michelle O swooping in at the convention and putting Bernie on the ticket, would he accept it and would that placate his supporters enough to turn out to vote.

Doubt Bernie would ever accept a VP slot. He didn't do it last time around. His supporters would rather have him as the nominee.

[enhanced_deficit]

This could be a great news for GOPAcons donors, he was apparently the only Dem who loses to MAGA in a head to head race according to the infamous Foxnews big sink poll:




[Old] NEW POLL: Every Possible Democratic Candidate Beats Trump in 2020

[jmdrake]

None of that really matters because people do not care about him cheating on his wives in the past as much as Pete being an openly gay man.

Unless your name is Clinton.

Piss on you Zippy for making me agree with Kahless. But she's right. Look at Buttigieg's numbers among black voters. Those are the same black voters that didn't give a crap about Bill Clinton being a womanizer. I know blacks who are SOLID democrats, love Obama (despite Obama opening the door for mayor Pete's marriage) and can't get past the fact that Pete is married to a man. The idea of the first lady being a man doesn't go over very will. And look at Latino voters, most of whom are Catholic. Look at Muslim voters. It was a Latino/Catholic and Muslim coalition that killed gay marriage in California before the SCOTUS overturned all same sex marriage bans. Speaking of Muslims, will the "first man" try to do diplomatic visits to Muslim countries? How's that going to work exactly? And some Christian majority African countries are just as anti-gay as most Muslim countries.

Read through the Bible. You will find patriarchs that were womanizers. Judah got his daughter-in-law pregnant when she disguised herself as a hooker. David killed a man after getting the man's wife pregnant. The Spirit of the Lord came on Samson when he was lying down with a hooker. And that doesn't even get into the polygamists. (Abraham, Jacob, Samuel's dad, Solomon). What you won't find are any openly gay characters. Some will go back and try to interpret certain characters as gay, but you won't find a single instance of a Bible hero explicitly going to bed with someone of the same sex. Based on that it's not inconsistent for liberal Christians to give Bill Clinton a pass for womanizing and conservative Christians to give Donald Trump a pass for womanizing but for both liberal and conservative Christians to have a problem with mayor Pete.

That said, for the Christians that bought into the National Enquirer lie that Ted Cruz was a womanizer while giving Donald Trump a pass on admitted womanizing? They're just stupid.

[jmdrake]

This could be a great news for GOPAcons donors, he was apparently the only Dem who loses to MAGA in a head to head race according to the infamous Foxnews big sink poll:




[Old] NEW POLL: Every Possible Democratic Candidate Beats Trump in 2020

The DNC establishment choose a woman over Bernie Sanders in 2016 even though Bernie had a better chance of beating Trump. It looks like they are doing the same thing with a gay man. Diversity uber alles.

[Pauls' Revere]

Christians voted for a noted womanizer who brags about it and a multi- divorced man who cheated on his wives.

Are you saying they are progressive now?

[kahless]

Piss on you Zippy for making me agree with Kahless. But he's right. Look at Buttigieg's numbers among black voters. Those are the same black voters that didn't give a crap about Bill Clinton being a womanizer. I know blacks who are SOLID democrats, love Obama (despite Obama opening the door for mayor Pete's marriage) and can't get past the fact that Pete is married to a man. The idea of the first lady being a man doesn't go over very will. And look at Latino voters, most of whom are Catholic. Look at Muslim voters. It was a Latino/Catholic and Muslim coalition that killed gay marriage in California before the SCOTUS overturned all same sex marriage bans. Speaking of Muslims, will the "first man" try to do diplomatic visits to Muslim countries? How's that going to work exactly? And some Christian majority African countries are just as anti-gay as most Muslim countries.

Read through the Bible. You will find patriarchs that were womanizers. Judah got his daughter-in-law pregnant when she disguised herself as a hooker. David killed a man after getting the man's wife pregnant. The Spirit of the Lord came on Samson when he was lying down with a hooker. And that doesn't even get into the polygamists. (Abraham, Jacob, Samuel's dad, Solomon). What you won't find are any openly gay characters. Some will go back and try to interpret certain characters as gay, but you won't find a single instance of a Bible hero explicitly going to bed with someone of the same sex. Based on that it's not inconsistent for liberal Christians to give Bill Clinton a pass for womanizing and conservative Christians to give Donald Trump a pass for womanizing but for both liberal and conservative Christians to have a problem with mayor Pete.

I agree with this analysis. However I am sad that you feel because I am a straight white male that you are surprised we would agree, considering you are transgender and all.

That said, for the Christians that bought into the National Enquirer lie that Ted Cruz was a womanizer while giving Donald Trump a pass on admitted womanizing? They're just stupid.

Did they really or was it the fact that Cruz was a bad establishment candidate in what clearly was an anti-establishment cycle.

[jmdrake]

I agree with this analysis. However I am sad that you feel because I am a straight white male that you are surprised we would agree, considering you are transgender and all.

Your woman can attest to the fact that I'm a natural born male. But don't get it twisted. The reason I don't like you is that you threatened the gas chamber for anyone that doesn't by your BS white genocide/replacement theory. Just like @Anti Federalist doesn't take kindly to violent Jacobins/Bolsheviks, I don't take kindly to violent white supremacist. I can't believe @JoshLowry banned angelatc for questioning the intelligence of anti-vaxxers but seems okay with actual threats of violence. I assume you were joking, but the joke isn't funny.

Did they really or was it the fact that Cruz was a bad establishment candidate in what clearly was an anti-establishment cycle.

During the primary they literally and falsely accused Ted Cruz of being an adulterer while giving Donald Tromp as pass claiming he was like David who repented when Trump said he didn't repent to anyone. And yes. That was just stupid.