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Some crazy arguments I never thought I'd hear here, anybody saying that not vaccinating is akin to murder and consistent with libertarianism and the NAP I'd have to ask if not providing free food, housing, and healthcare is also akin to murder?
LOL
The few times I advocate something not in line with the Constitution I am usually advocating for it to be changed, the rest I am talking about how to deal with a world in which the Constitution was shredded many generations ago in order to return to a world where it is enforced, once we regain the power to enforce it we will no longer need to play by the same rules as our enemies and I would not do anything in violation of the Constitution.
But do keep advocating for a government with unlimited power, we want everyone here to see you for what you are.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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I support "unlimited" government in the context of protecting individual rights within a constitutional framework. What that means can't always be defined as in the examples I gave like the environment, pandemic, instances like banking or nuclear weapons where risks are unbounded so the courts will decide the nuances
You support unlimited government in order to further your national socialist views. Whether that is limiting the speech of corporations like Twitter, Google and Facebook because they have different political views. Restricting immigration to push wages up. Tariffs to favor industries. Using government to persecute gays with sodomy laws.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I congratulate you on your ability to twist the truth.
But I will not tolerate outright lies, I have never supported government prosecution of perverts and you are a liar.
You support unlimited government as long as that government promises it is doing whatever it wants in the name of the general welfare, which is what every tyrant in history has claimed.
I support holding corporations accountable for fraud and false advertising so that they can't be used by the government that subsidizes them and in some cases created them to destroy free speech.
I support keeping an unlimited number of communists from invading so that we can retain our liberty and I support canceling out foreign government intervention so that our economy is not destroyed by those who would conquer us and/or turn our populace to support communism out of desperation.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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You said laws against sodomy were constitutional. They aren't. They are tyrannical. And yes you are a bigot.
You support unlimited government as long as that government promises it is doing whatever it wants in the name of the general welfare, which is what every tyrant in history has claimed.
Nope. I don't. Never have. And you will find zero instances of me making such claims. The phrase general welfare is not something I believe in. I support protecting individual rights.
This is completely tyrannical nonsense. No half measure I have ever supported as a lesser evil is 1/1 millionth as anti-liberty as this paragraph.I support holding corporations accountable for fraud and false advertising so that they can't be used by the government that subsidizes them and in some cases created them to destroy free speech.
I support keeping an unlimited number of communists from invading so that we can retain our liberty and I support canceling out foreign government intervention so that our economy is not destroyed by those who would conquer us and/or turn our populace to support communism out of desperation.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
You did. 100% certain
Completely different. Not at all the same actually. My definition of individual rights is the standard libertarian definition. You should be able to do whatever you want as long as you don't harm other people.Your definition of individual rights is indistinguishable from general welfare and would be used just as tyrannically.
What is amazing is you do support violating individual rights on a mass scale in order to promote your view of general welfare. Restricting a business from purchasing goods from China is a massive rights violation. You have a willing buyer and a willing seller you are all too happy to get between.
Your lies are boring.
Countering government intervention in the marketplace is not a rights violation, the foreign government intervention is a rights violation.
And I never supported sodomy laws.
Your interpretation of individual rights is not standard at all and is a mockery of individual rights.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
That is a side debate, the states shut down the economies and it may be beneficial in the longterm to take some longterm pain that will occur over time in order to smooth things over for the citizens who were affected by this in the shortrun. Clearly it could have been done better, clearly they inflated it far more than they had to, but that was a function of the legislature, Trump didn't write the bill.. but it could be argued something should have been done in order to counteract the state government's shutdowns. We will see how it works out.
I am actually more concerned about defunding the WHO, because they are the ones who are working with the groups who are responsible for all of this. I would rather take the money out of the hands of the tyrants like the WHO than take the money out of the hands of the people.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Bull$#@!. They simply refused to buy into your positive spin on the situation so you're attempting, deceitfully, to paint them in the worst light possible. Stop. Or don't. I really don't give a $#@!. It's not like anyone takes you seriously where Trump is concerned anyway. Carry on.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
It's when you have no quotes, no direct links, etc. that it's obvious that you are completely full of $#@!.
C'mon, man. Stop being lazy. At least link to a 10 hour Molyneux video on chaturbate or something. Nobody watches that $#@! anyway, you can just hide behind it and claim victory like always.
You do know other people can click on the link and see you are both completely full of $#@!, right?
I'm not sure if you are aware of how internet browsers work.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
I am loving how these two die hard lovers of the Orange Light of Liberty have joined forces to share in there satanic pedo cabal battles here on RPFs. Quoting each other’s insanity to attempt to reinforce it.
It’s like we have our own flat earthers!
He's been engaged in an ongoing, systemaic crusade to discredit and alienate long term, well respected members here for years. Basically anyone who fails to show what Swordy deems to be the proper level of obsequiousness toward Trump, or who disagrees with him (Swordy) on immigration or protectionist tariffs. He and a few others like him have done a great deal to destroy what unity we once had around here and drive morale down into the toilet.
At least, that's what it's appeared like to me and quite a few others.
Last edited by CCTelander; 05-19-2020 at 02:38 PM.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
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