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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The USSR under Stalin or China under Mao is what we will get if you open borders simpletons get your way, that will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.
    No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

    Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No, they need YOUR permission.
    OUR permission, as in Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I do not want to know about them, I do not want to hear about them, I do not want to pay for them. If they open a business, or want to exchange work for monetary based upon agreed private contract, I am open to that. I certainly will not report them or myself for working under the table for jobs that Section 8 "Americans" do not want. I certainly will not report them for not contributing tax-theft money to expand the Fed.
    Your willful ignorance will not protect you from the communism they will impose.





    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Your way... sorry I do not support statists/socialists ;-)
    You support the communist invaders.
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    If you think you are not already paying for them indirectly think again.
    Oh, I know I am paying for them, have been most of my life. I also pay "legal" multi-generational Section 8 Americans a monthly check, more if they are able to hook up with another bum just to pop out another. But at least now my travel isn't overly restricted and don't have Bio-ID YET.
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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

    Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.
    I agree, shutting off the incentives IS the cure. But in reality this is NEVER going to happen. Not until there is a total violent reset and in which case we will be in the same shape they are in at that point. The world you are wanting is never going to happen, it' a fantasy pipedream. In the meantime...

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.
    That isn't what is happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.
    Too many will come anyway because our economy is better than their communism and it would be even better if we cut off welfare.
    We also have more support for securing the border than we have for cutting off welfare.
    And Trump is doing his best to reduce welfare for immigrants and natives.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Oh, I know I am paying for them, have been most of my life. I also pay "legal" multi-generational Section 8 Americans a monthly check, more if they are able to hook up with another bum just to pop out another. But at least now my travel isn't overly restricted and don't have Bio-ID YET.
    If we get socialism you WILL for sure. And even worse...



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That isn't what is happening.


    Too many will come anyway because our economy is better than their communism and it would be even better if we cut off welfare.
    We also have more support for securing the border than we have for cutting off welfare.
    And Trump is doing his best to reduce welfare for immigrants and natives.

    This is exactly what is happening, which is why after the lowest immigration numbers in decades have SKY-ROCKETED under trump:


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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And Trump is doing his best to reduce welfare for immigrants and natives.
    NATIVES? You mean the FIRST INVADERS?

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    This is exactly what is happening, which is why after the lowest immigration numbers in decades have SKY-ROCKETED under trump:


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    No it isn't what is happening and the reason the invasion has accelerated is because the globalists panicked when Trump won and put the peddle to the metal advertising for them to come here and organizing them to come here while blocking as many of Trump's attempts to secure the border as possible.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    NATIVES? You mean the FIRST INVADERS?
    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No it isn't what is happening and the reason the invasion has accelerated is because the globalists panicked when Trump won and put the peddle to the metal advertising for them to come here and organizing them to come here while blocking as many of Trump's attempts to secure the border as possible.
    LOL

    How soon folks forget. Not only was/is he a Lib, he's a NY Lib:

    - As president, Trump declared "emergency" spending bill containing:

    Page 188
    8 (h) REFUGEE ASSISTANCE IN NORTH AFRICA.-Not
    9 later than 45 days after enactment of this Act, the Secretary
    10 of State, after consultation with the United Nations
    11 High Commissioner for Refugees and the Executive Direc-
    12 tor of the World Food Programme, shall submit a report
    13 to the Committees on Appropriations describing steps
    14 taken to strengthen monitoring of the delivery of humani-
    15 tarian assistance provided for refugees in North Africa,
    16 including any steps taken to ensure that all vulnerable ref-
    17 ugees are receiving such assistance.

    Page 255
    12 (k) TRANSFER OF FUNDS.-Of the funds appro-
    13 priated by this Act under the heading "Economic Support
    14 Fund", $25,000,000 shall be transferred to, and merged
    15 with, funds appropriated under the heading "International
    16 Organizations and Programs", of which $23,000,000 shall
    17 be for a contribution to support the United Nations resi-
    18 dent coordinator system and $2,000,000 shall be for a
    19 contribution to the Montreal Protocol Multilateral Fund.

    Page 314
    6 UNITED NATIONS POPULATION FUND
    7 SEC. 7072. (a) CONTRIBUTION.-Of the funds made
    8 available under the heading "International Organizations
    9 and Programs" in this Act for fiscal year 2019,
    10 $32,500,000 shall be made available for the United Na-
    11 tions Population Fund (UNFP A).
    12 (b) AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.-Funds appropriated
    13 by this Act for UNFPA, that are not made available for
    14 UNFP A because of the operation of any provision of law,
    15 shall be transferred to the "Global Health Programs" ac-
    16 count and shall be made available for family planning, ma-
    17 ternal, and reproductive health activities, subject to the
    18 regular notification procedures of the Committees on Ap-
    19 propriations.

    - As president, Donald Trump signed USMCA (NAFTA replacement), an anti-Free trade agreement, containing language such as Government Tribunals, Sustainable Development and International Labour Organization which is a United Nations Agency.

    - As president, Trump: “Just signed 702 Bill to reauthorize foreign intelligence collection,” Trump wrote on Twitter, referring to legislation passed by the U.S. Congress that extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The law renews for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program.

    - President Trump remained completely silent when Amazon announced that it was providing free Facial Recognition Technology to the city of Orlando – technology that keeps the city’s residents under 24/7 constant surveillance - violating the very 4th and 5th Amendments he swore to protect.

    - As president, Donald Trump promised to complete the Biometric Identification system that will track every person by land, sea and air, which will be recorded permanently in a national government database. The United Nations goal is to implement Biometric Identification to every man, woman and child by 2030.

    - During Trumps presidency, TSA announced Biometric Identification will be implemented not only for international flights, but now a Domestic Blueprint across all 50 states.

    - As president, on September 20, 2018, President Donald Trump told attendees at a chiefs of police convention that he has instructed the Justice Department to work toward reinstating “Stop and Frisk”, violating Constitutional protections.

    - As president, Trump authorized and implemented on October 03, 2018 a “Presidential Alert” via FEMA to all capable cell phones in the United States, according to Cyber Expert John McAfee, accessing the E911 chip in your phones – can give full access to location, microphone, camera and every function of a phone.

    - As president, Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh, who is ANTI 1st 4th and 5th Amenedments, for the U.S. Supreme Court. Kavinaugh was instrumental in passing the Patriot Act among other anti BoR rulings.

    - As president, Trump appointed John Bolton as National Security Advisor

    - As president, Trump threatened to veto, but instead and without hesitation, signed a $1.3 Trillion 2018 Omnibus providing:

    - $500 Million to Planned Parenthood.
    - $1.371 Billion for Contributions to International Organizations
    - $51m to promote International Family Planning
    - $7m promoting International Conservation
    - $10m for UN Environmental Programs
    - Internal Revenue Service: Despite the administration’s attempts to slash its budget, the
    Omni-Bus grants $11.431 Billion to the nation’s tax collectors, a $196 million year-to-year
    increase and $456 million more than Trump requested.

    - Arts: Federal funding for the arts goes up, despite GOP attempts to slash it. The National
    Endowments for the Arts and Humanities will see funding climb to $152.8 million each, a $3
    million increase over the last fiscal year. The National Gallery of Art gets $165.9 million, a $1.04
    million jump in funding. The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts will receive $40.5
    million, which is $4 million more than the last fiscal year.
    - $12M for Scholarships for Lebanon
    - $20M for Middle East Partnership Initiative Scholarship Program
    - $12M in military funding for Vietnam
    - $15M in Developmental assistance to China
    - $10M for Women LEOs in Afghanistan

    - Sen. Dianne Feinstein in 2017 introduced legislation to ban the sale and possession of bump-stocks. Her bill went nowhere. As president, Trump stated: Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS (March 23, 2018)

    - As president, Trump publicly backed raising the minimum age to purchase semi-automatic weapons to 21

    - Trump Just Went Full Sanders — Calls for Increasing Minimum Wage and Higher Taxes

    - Real estate magnate Donald Trump gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation while his daughter Ivanka Trump donated between $5,001 and $10,000, the Hill reported. Trump also donated to Hillary Clinton’s New York Senate campaign.

    - Trump has given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and fundraising committees going back to 1990, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics. He's handed out money to Democratic statewide candidates as well. In 2009, for instance, Trump cut a $25,000 check to former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe for his unsuccessful 2009 Virginia gubernatorial bid. But as Republicans and Tea Party activists nationwide were working to take back the House and Senate in 2010, Trump was also handing out checks to top Democratic incumbents: $4,800 to Reid, $2,000 to Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and more than $8,000 total to New York's two senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

    - Over the last two decades, Trump gave money to a number of high-profile Democrats and liberal icons, including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. The biggest recipient of Trump's largesse? The scandal-plagued Rangel, who has taken $24,750 from Trump since the 1990 election cycle.

    - Donald Trump predicted Wednesday night that Hillary Clinton will take one more shot at winning the White House in 2016, and declined to rule out the possibility of throwing his support behind the former presidential candidate. “Hillary Clinton, I think, is a terrific woman,” Trump said in an interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York, she lives in New York, and I’ve known her and her husband for years and I really like them both a lot.”

    Praising the secretary of state for being a hard worker and for having done a “good job” since joining the Obama administration, Trump said he expects Clinton to run for office again.
    “I think assuming she is healthy, which I hope she will be, I think she runs after the next four years, I would imagine,” he said.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record
    Last edited by PAF; 05-08-2019 at 05:02 PM.
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    LOL

    How soon folks forget. Not only was/is he a Lib, he's a NY Lib:

    - As president, Trump declared "emergency" spending bill containing:

    Page 188
    8 (h) REFUGEE ASSISTANCE IN NORTH AFRICA.-Not
    9 later than 45 days after enactment of this Act, the Secretary
    10 of State, after consultation with the United Nations
    11 High Commissioner for Refugees and the Executive Direc-
    12 tor of the World Food Programme, shall submit a report
    13 to the Committees on Appropriations describing steps
    14 taken to strengthen monitoring of the delivery of humani-
    15 tarian assistance provided for refugees in North Africa,
    16 including any steps taken to ensure that all vulnerable ref-
    17 ugees are receiving such assistance.

    Page 255
    12 (k) TRANSFER OF FUNDS.-Of the funds appro-
    13 priated by this Act under the heading "Economic Support
    14 Fund", $25,000,000 shall be transferred to, and merged
    15 with, funds appropriated under the heading "International
    16 Organizations and Programs", of which $23,000,000 shall
    17 be for a contribution to support the United Nations resi-
    18 dent coordinator system and $2,000,000 shall be for a
    19 contribution to the Montreal Protocol Multilateral Fund.

    Page 314
    6 UNITED NATIONS POPULATION FUND
    7 SEC. 7072. (a) CONTRIBUTION.-Of the funds made
    8 available under the heading "International Organizations
    9 and Programs" in this Act for fiscal year 2019,
    10 $32,500,000 shall be made available for the United Na-
    11 tions Population Fund (UNFP A).
    12 (b) AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.-Funds appropriated
    13 by this Act for UNFPA, that are not made available for
    14 UNFP A because of the operation of any provision of law,
    15 shall be transferred to the "Global Health Programs" ac-
    16 count and shall be made available for family planning, ma-
    17 ternal, and reproductive health activities, subject to the
    18 regular notification procedures of the Committees on Ap-
    19 propriations.

    - As president, Donald Trump signed USMCA (NAFTA replacement), an anti-Free trade agreement, containing language such as Government Tribunals, Sustainable Development and International Labour Organization which is a United Nations Agency.

    - As president, Trump: “Just signed 702 Bill to reauthorize foreign intelligence collection,” Trump wrote on Twitter, referring to legislation passed by the U.S. Congress that extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The law renews for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program.

    - President Trump remained completely silent when Amazon announced that it was providing free Facial Recognition Technology to the city of Orlando – technology that keeps the city’s residents under 24/7 constant surveillance - violating the very 4th and 5th Amendments he swore to protect.

    - As president, Donald Trump promised to complete the Biometric Identification system that will track every person by land, sea and air, which will be recorded permanently in a national government database. The United Nations goal is to implement Biometric Identification to every man, woman and child by 2030.

    - During Trumps presidency, TSA announced Biometric Identification will be implemented not only for international flights, but now a Domestic Blueprint across all 50 states.

    - As president, on September 20, 2018, President Donald Trump told attendees at a chiefs of police convention that he has instructed the Justice Department to work toward reinstating “Stop and Frisk”, violating Constitutional protections.

    - As president, Trump authorized and implemented on October 03, 2018 a “Presidential Alert” via FEMA to all capable cell phones in the United States, according to Cyber Expert John McAfee, accessing the E911 chip in your phones – can give full access to location, microphone, camera and every function of a phone.

    - As president, Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh, who is ANTI 1st 4th and 5th Amenedments, for the U.S. Supreme Court. Kavinaugh was instrumental in passing the Patriot Act among other anti BoR rulings.

    - As president, Trump appointed John Bolton as National Security Advisor

    - As president, Trump threatened to veto, but instead and without hesitation, signed a $1.3 Trillion 2018 Omnibus providing:

    - $500 Million to Planned Parenthood.
    - $1.371 Billion for Contributions to International Organizations
    - $51m to promote International Family Planning
    - $7m promoting International Conservation
    - $10m for UN Environmental Programs
    - Internal Revenue Service: Despite the administration’s attempts to slash its budget, the
    Omni-Bus grants $11.431 Billion to the nation’s tax collectors, a $196 million year-to-year
    increase and $456 million more than Trump requested.

    - Arts: Federal funding for the arts goes up, despite GOP attempts to slash it. The National
    Endowments for the Arts and Humanities will see funding climb to $152.8 million each, a $3
    million increase over the last fiscal year. The National Gallery of Art gets $165.9 million, a $1.04
    million jump in funding. The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts will receive $40.5
    million, which is $4 million more than the last fiscal year.
    - $12M for Scholarships for Lebanon
    - $20M for Middle East Partnership Initiative Scholarship Program
    - $12M in military funding for Vietnam
    - $15M in Developmental assistance to China
    - $10M for Women LEOs in Afghanistan

    - Sen. Dianne Feinstein in 2017 introduced legislation to ban the sale and possession of bump-stocks. Her bill went nowhere. As president, Trump stated: Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS (March 23, 2018)

    - As president, Trump publicly backed raising the minimum age to purchase semi-automatic weapons to 21

    - Trump Just Went Full Sanders — Calls for Increasing Minimum Wage and Higher Taxes - http://thefreethoughtproject.com/tru...-higher-taxes/

    - Real estate magnate Donald Trump gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation while his daughter Ivanka Trump donated between $5,001 and $10,000, the Hill reported. Trump also donated to Hillary Clinton’s New York Senate campaign - http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/abc-news-...IlJIQrKuGvt.99

    - Trump has given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and fundraising committees going back to 1990, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics. He's handed out money to Democratic statewide candidates as well. In 2009, for instance, Trump cut a $25,000 check to former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe for his unsuccessful 2009 Virginia gubernatorial bid. But as Republicans and Tea Party activists nationwide were working to take back the House and Senate in 2010, Trump was also handing out checks to top Democratic incumbents: $4,800 to Reid, $2,000 to Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and more than $8,000 total to New York's two senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

    - Over the last two decades, Trump gave money to a number of high-profile Democrats and liberal icons, including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. The biggest recipient of Trump's largesse? The scandal-plagued Rangel, who has taken $24,750 from Trump since the 1990 election cycle.

    - Donald Trump predicted Wednesday night that Hillary Clinton will take one more shot at winning the White House in 2016, and declined to rule out the possibility of throwing his support behind the former presidential candidate. “Hillary Clinton, I think, is a terrific woman,” Trump said in an interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York, she lives in New York, and I’ve known her and her husband for years and I really like them both a lot.”

    Praising the secretary of state for being a hard worker and for having done a “good job” since joining the Obama administration, Trump said he expects Clinton to run for office again.
    “I think assuming she is healthy, which I hope she will be, I think she runs after the next four years, I would imagine,” he said.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record
    That's a nice one-sided list, nobody is claiming Trump is perfect.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No it isn't what is happening and the reason the invasion has accelerated is because the globalists panicked when Trump won and put the peddle to the metal advertising for them to come here and organizing them to come here while blocking as many of Trump's attempts to secure the border as possible.
    The irony is that pushing mass immigration will destabilise and undermine much of the globalist agenda in time. “Brexit”, Trump and the rise of right wing populists movements in Europe to a large degree were caused by backlashes against immigration policies of the last several decades.
    Equality is a false god.

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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's a nice one-sided list, nobody is claiming Trump is perfect.
    LOL - with a list like that - On The Record - no, I would say not - LOL

    But it does show a very heavy pattern that he is NWO. But because folks actually voted for him, and he has a "R" after his name, folks like to turn the other cheek and go immediately into denial.
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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    The irony is that pushing mass immigration will destabilise and undermine much of the globalist agenda in time. “Brexit”, Trump and the rise of right wing populists movements in Europe to a large degree were caused by backlashes against immigration policies of the last several decades.
    Immigration has nothing to do with it. That is all government BS propaganda. People have been migrating since the dawn of time.

    The problem that government will not address, and what folks won't hold them accountable for is: Welfare/Free Handouts. THAT is what will be the demise of freedom/liberty - not "immigration".
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  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Southron View Post
    The irony is that pushing mass immigration will destabilise and undermine much of the globalist agenda in time. “Brexit”, Trump and the rise of right wing populists movements in Europe to a large degree were caused by backlashes against immigration policies of the last several decades.
    They want the destabilization.
    "Ordo ab Chao"
    "Never let a good crisis go to waste"
    "In confusion there is profit"
    We might have a chance to improve things but they will have an opportunity rebuild society to suit them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    LOL - with a list like that - On The Record - no, I would say not - LOL

    But it does show a very heavy pattern that he is NWO. But because folks actually voted for him, and he has a "R" after his name, folks like to turn the other cheek and go immediately into denial.
    Things are not so clear when you include all the anti-NWO things he has done, perfection is not available but I will take the least of all possible goods over accelerating evil.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Immigration has nothing to do with it. That is all government BS propaganda. People have been migrating since the dawn of time.
    And it has always caused tyranny and bloodshed when it happens excessively.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The problem that government will not address, and what folks won't hold them accountable for is: Welfare/Free Handouts. THAT is what will be the demise of freedom/liberty - not "immigration".
    Immigration is used to protect and increase the handouts.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    perfection is not available
    THIS IS THE REALITY NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD!!! NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN EVER! TO THINK SO IS JUST FOOLING YOURSELF WITH IGNORANCE PERIOD.

  23. #110
    A directive from the White House is reportedly ordering asylum screeners to be more skeptical and confrontational with applicants, marking the administration’s latest attempt to weed out fraud.
    Asylum officers are to more aggressively pursue inconsistencies they see from applicants who claim they are facing persecution in their home countries, according to emails and documents obtained by The Washington Post. Officers will also be required to provide comprehensive justifications prior to determining an applicant has a legitimate fear of harm if deported from the U.S.

    Additionally, officers are to focus on any discrepancies between what a migrant might have told an arresting Border Patrol officer and what the migrant said during an asylum application interview.
    “Officers conducting credible fear interviews should also be addressing any more detailed inconsistencies between the applicant’s testimony during the credible fear interview and other testimony in sworn statement,” read a staff email from John Lafferty, the chief of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ (USCIS) asylum division, obtained by The Washington Post.
    The new directive follows numerous other changes the Trump administration made to clamp down on immigration fraud at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    More at: https://truepundit.com/report-trump-...th-applicants/
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And it has always caused tyranny and bloodshed when it happens excessively.


    Immigration is used to protect and increase the handouts.
    You are wrong. Hand outs would still be given by this corrupt government even if all immigration stopped. Ask the chick down at Section 8 how much more she’d get for getting knocked up for the 5th time. Transfer of wealth has no race, religion or borders. It is corrupt politicians that talk a good game but do the opposite once they are elected, and people like you give passes to them when they throw a little bone here and there.
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You are wrong. Hand outs would still be given by this corrupt government even if all immigration stopped. Ask the chick down at Section 8 how much more she’d get for getting knocked up for the 5th time. Transfer of wealth has no race, religion or borders. It is corrupt politicians that talk a good game but do the opposite once they are elected, and people like you give passes to them when they throw a little bone here and there.
    We have a chance to end the welfare if we work at teaching Americans but that chance disappears completely if millions of communists are allowed to invade faster than we could possibly educate the voters.

    People like you would make liberty go extinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    I agree, shutting off the incentives IS the cure. But in reality this is NEVER going to happen. Not until there is a total violent reset and in which case we will be in the same shape they are in at that point. The world you are wanting is never going to happen, it' a fantasy pipedream. In the meantime...
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No. Building walls to funnel them in, promising economic packages to those south of Mexico, keeping the spigot open full - all while hiring MORE government goons DHS, ICE, etc. - that is what will result in MUCH less liberty/freedom.

    Shut the spigot and see how many will travel 2,000 miles. That is the only solution period.
    Agree. And with unemployment reportedly being so low right now, it’s the perfect time to start turning down that spigot.

    But that is not the direction we are headed. Instead, the majority want to provide even more incentives. Free healthcare. Free college education. Universal basic income.
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Agree. And with unemployment reportedly being so low right now, it’s the perfect time to start turning down that spigot.

    But that is not the direction we are headed. Instead, the majority want to provide even more incentives. Free healthcare. Free college education. Universal basic income.
    Trump is doing what he can:

    Infuriating Democrats, Trump Plans To Redefine Poverty, Cutting Americans From Welfare

    But our economy will always be the biggest incentive and that will require some active border enforcement.
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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump is doing what he can:

    Infuriating Democrats, Trump Plans To Redefine Poverty, Cutting Americans From Welfare

    But our economy will always be the biggest incentive and that will require some active border enforcement.
    Can be both. But more important than border control is enforcement of existing laws. A non-citizen with no visa or work permit can provide a made up SSN to an employer, and it is never checked by anyone.

    And everyone ignores the other huge negative of the “free stuff” incentives, and that’s the rampant fraud involved there too, by both citizens and non-citizens.

    Border enforcement becomes more of an issue with our current situation, with thousands of people rushing the border.
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  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Can be both. But more important than border control is enforcement of existing laws. A non-citizen with no visa or work permit can provide a made up SSN to an employer, and it is never checked by anyone.
    Trump just did something about that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly reactivated a computer check that warns employers when their new employees are likely to be illegal immigrants.

    Democrats, however, are protesting the new push to protect American families from illegal immigrants in the nation’s job market.
    The so-called “no-match” letter warns employers that their employees’ claimed Social Security Numbers are suspect — and so allows the employers to minimize their legal risks by quietly firing the employees who do not have a right to work. The program was stopped by President Barack Obama mainly because it was so effective at warning employers.
    “It is a very good thing,” said Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies. She continued:
    Our government knows the name, address, and place of employment of millions of illegal workers … These jobs should be for Americans and legal workers … the market would bring wages up to $15 an hour for more workers if we didn’t have so much illegal employment.
    The policy should also identify the Social Security Numbers that have been stolen by illegals from Americans, she said. The government, she said:
    knows that millions of Americans have had their identity stolen by these workers … They know the scale of Social Security Number misuse is massive — but they certainly don’t want to have to deal with the millions of irate Americans who have to resolve misuse of their SSN.
    Many — but not all — employers will cooperate and fire the illegals, she predicted. “A lot of employers want to do the right thing, and they have been duped by false documents, and they want to get into compliance with the law.” However, the new policy will not deter the many employers who pay their illegal immigrants under the table, she said.


    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...als-from-jobs/
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Agree. And with unemployment reportedly being so low right now, it’s the perfect time to start turning down that spigot.

    But that is not the direction we are headed. Instead, the majority want to provide even more incentives. Free healthcare. Free college education. Universal basic income.
    And Sanctuary...

  32. #118
    I don't remember for sure but I owned a company during the 1990's until 2004. I think we had to fill out a form I9? with every new hire.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    I don't remember for sure but I owned a company during the 1990's until 2004. I think we had to fill out a form I9? with every new hire.
    Yes an I9 and a W4. The W4 is where the argument that immigrants help pay taxes falls apart. All they have to do is claim exempt on the W4 and no taxes are taken out. Then because they didn't earn enough to even be required to file they owe no taxes. But they file anyways and get back a check for tax credits. So not only did they not pay taxes they get a credit return check they didn't earn. We pay them to not pay any taxes.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    Yes an I9 and a W4. The W4 is where the argument that immigrants help pay taxes falls apart. All they have to do is claim exempt on the W4 and no taxes are taken out. Then because they didn't earn enough to even be required to file they owe no taxes. But they file anyways and get back a check for tax credits. So not only did they not pay taxes they get a credit return check they didn't earn. We pay them to not pay any taxes.
    Okay but my point is as an employer we had to verify the person was legal to work. There was a fine to the employer. We could not just hire illegal immigrants.



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