Steve Bannon: American Patriot

[Gumba of Liberty]

Sounds to me like Bannon is on our side. If you disagree with me please quote the part of his speech that offends you and post it below. In my eyes, thr man is certified (4th turning) Liberty Movement Patriot. For those about to respond in outrage, please remember that the Jeffersonians and Hamiltonians (Bannon) won the Revolutionary War together. We can fight the nationalism/individualism debate after we defeat the globalists. Enjoy.

[Gumba of Liberty]

So I make a rational point and in return the thread receives one (anonymous) star without anyone man enough to refute my arguments with facts. This place is run by children.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I can't find a way to zero star it? Can anyone help me out?

[undergroundrr]

-1 star? Is there some special cheat code for that?

Well, Not anxious to see Bannon talk for >23 min. I've tried that before.

But to underline the OP's point, we certainly know he's not an Iran patriot. On the other hand, he does seem to be an Israel patriot.

[TheCount]

We can fight the nationalism/individualism debate after we defeat the globalists.

Bull$#@!. Half of the ways that the nationalists wish to 'defeat' globalism involve the loss of liberty.

[Gumba of Liberty]

-1 star? Is there some special cheat code for that?

Well, Not anxious to see Bannon talk for >23 min. I've tried that before.

But to underline the OP's point, we certainly know he's not an Iran patriot. On the other hand, he does seem to be an Israel patriot.

Critical thinking is hard. I'm sorry for pushing you to support your arguments, my apology.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Bull$#@!. Half of the ways that the nationalists wish to 'defeat' globalism involve the loss of liberty.

Name them (the liberties lost) to the nationalists. A new one; not one the globalist had already taken.

[P3ter_Griffin]

I really think that the number of individualist/property right advocates are so small that it makes more sense for the nationalist to go after the union leftist-- and on the grander scale for whichever party the nationalist are running as to go after the unions themselves. And by 'go after' I mean attempt to court into a winning coalition. There is a lot of overlap of governmental desires between the parties. If the objective is winning I don't see the purpose in nationalist engaging/giving a $#@! about the individualist.? my $.02.

[TheCount]

Name them (the liberties lost) to the nationalists.

Privacy.

A new one; not one the globalist had already taken.

Pointing out the absolutely true fact that nationalists and globalists both want to take away the same rights makes your case worse, not better.

[phill4paul]

Name them (the liberties lost) to the nationalists. A new one; not one the globalist had already taken.

Income?

[Gumba of Liberty]

I really think that the number of individualist/property right advocates are so small that it makes more sense for the nationalist to go after the union leftist-- and on the grander scale for whichever party the nationalist are running as to go after the unions themselves. And by 'go after' I mean attempt to court into a winning coalition. There is a lot of overlap of governmental desires between the parties. If the objective is winning I don't see the purpose in nationalist engaging/giving a $#@! about the individualist.? my $.02.

I agree with you, generally, that nationalist and trade-unionists are natural allies in most European nations, but in US most nationalist have a truly Constitutional character and if it were not for brainwashing would be great allies in restoring the Constitution (even if we really want to devolve power further). It's helpful to remember that not all nationalists are created equal. Most nationalist are National Socialists (Nazis committed to the greater good, these are really bad guys) but in the U.S. there are many more Constitutional (Jacksonian) Nationalists who want a unified America under the Constituion. Bannon is one of these men and we could use his help.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Income?

Is Bannon the guy who set the taxes rates or the one who is trying to lower them?

[phill4paul]

Most nationalist are National Socialists (Nazis committed to the greater good, these are really bad guys) but in the U.S. there are many more Constitutional (Jacksonian) Nationalists who want a unified America under the Constituion.

How much more "unified" do you think we need to be? Considering where we are now, as opposed to 1789?

[phill4paul]

Is Bannon the guy who set the taxes rates or the one who is trying to lower them?

I've never heard him say he wants to end the Federal income tax. Please note the time of his pronouncement in this video.

[TheCount]

Is Bannon the guy who set the taxes rates or the one who is trying to lower them?

Steve Bannon wants to greatly expand government spending. Whatever he says about income taxes, the American people are going to pay for that spending in one way or another.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Privacy.



Pointing out the absolutely true fact that nationalists and globalists both want to take away the same rights makes your case worse, not better.

No, the globalist want more Rights than the natioonalists do. They want to run my life from Geneva, Brussels, London and NY. I'm sorry, I have the Right to not live under globalist cartel hell bent on world domination. I know my enemy and Steve Bannon is not one of them. If you listen to him speak (your conditioning might be challenged and) you might agree.

[Gumba of Liberty]

How much more "unified" do you think we need to be? Considering where we are now, as opposed to 1789?

If you think American is a unified nation, today, we live in different countries.

[Gumba of Liberty]

I've never heard him say he wants to end the Federal income tax. Please note the time of his pronouncement in this video.

I didn't say he did. Rand didn't either. Btw, you think Dr. Paul would have been able to end the income tax in a month? What kind of crazy argument is it that Bannon has some how violated your Rights by trying in vain to restore them? The guy wants to lower your taxes and people use that as a way to say that Bannon is out to get you. Same should go for the medical marijuana programs that violate your Rights to smoke whatever you want. Give me a break and watch the video.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Steve Bannon wants to greatly expand government spending. Whatever he says about income taxes, the American people are going to pay for that spending in one way or another.

He also believe the economy from 1987-2008 was a Wall Street (privatizing profits/socializing losses) pyramid scheme. Maybe he confiscates the money from Wallstreet? Maybe they run up the debt and default? Either way, it could be done without raising taxes even though I wouldn't do it.

[phill4paul]

If you think American is a unified nation, today, we live in different countries.

Much more "unified" under Federal control i.e. Nationalist. Much more. If you have been here for 6 years and still don't get that then I can't help you.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Much more "unified" under Federal control i.e. Nationalist. Much more. If you have been here for 6 years and still don't get that then I can't help you.

America is a shell of her former self. Mortally wounded in 1865. Captured by the British/European Bankers 1913. We have been a globalist controlled entity ever since.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Also a Nation is different from a State. America was a unitary district controlled and manipulated by globalists. When The Trump nationalists took power the globalists declare war. We will see who wins. But as a nation, a group of people with a common identity, we may no longer exist.

[Gumba of Liberty]

Btw, it's been almost two hours and no quotes. I expected more gentlemen.

[presence]

1) Bannon wants US Navy to kick China off the Spratly's
2) Bannon wants to continue to middle east War theatre with boots
3) Bannon flatly believes muslims shouldn't live in the US and none of them are peaceful
4) Bannon supports "economic nationalism" as opposed to free markets
5) "I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan."
6) 10k new immigraiton officers and 5k new border patrol at $200k/year each... Bannon's ideas

none of which are liberty leaning positions

Bannon is a multi theatre war, anti free market immigration, and government job monger.

[Gumba of Liberty]

1) Bannon wants US Navy to kick China off the Spratly's
2) Bannon wants to continue to middle east War theatre with boots
3) Bannon flatly believes muslims shouldn't live in the US and none of them are peaceful
4) Bannon supports "economic nationalism" as opposed to free markets
5) "I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan."
6) 10k new immigraiton officers and 5k new border patrol at $200k/year each... Bannon's ideas

none of which are liberty leaning positions

It you could answer the following I would really appreciate it.

1) Do you have proof that Bannon is behind this and not Flynn? If you have proof send it my way. I am interested.
2) Again, besides targeting ISIS (CIA), do you have proof Bannon wants to expand the wars (against Iran or whoever) in the Middle East?
3) Proof?
4) Bannon definitely supports the American System, for sure. High Tariffs, National Bank (Not Globalist Controlled) & Internal Improvements. (Hamilton, Clay, Lincoln, etc.) These are all terrible ideas but atleast they semi-passed for Constitutional (the National Bank is definitly not) at the founding of our Confederated-Republic and I would rather debate their merits than debate a globalist who wants to destroy the Constitution and create a global government.
5) True.
6) Personally, the only place I believe Federal Troops (and government) should be is on the borders of the Union. I would much rather him put the Army on the borders and skip the application process but, if he does support this, I believe this is only a major issue if you can prove #2.

Hey I appreciate the debate. Finally someone with balls.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Steve Bannon wants to greatly expand government spending.

So do you. You voted Obama twice and for Thomas Dixon, right? Here's are quotes from Thomas Dixon when he ran for the Democratic senate seat:


"The Federal Minimum Wage must be raised to $15 an hour to provide a living wage for all workers."

"Brady Background Checks need to be expanded to cover all gun sales regardless of where they occur and whom they are between."

"Obamacare needs to be protected and expanded to cover all Americans that still do not have health coverage."





Sources below.







http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2...e_Web_Jobs.htm

https://votesmart.org/public-stateme...n#.WKEMF39cIkg

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Bull$#@!. Half of the ways that the nationalists wish to 'defeat' globalism involve the loss of liberty.

How does you voting Obama and Thomas Dixon advance liberty? You care about liberty?

[robert68]

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[spudea]

Btw, it's been almost two hours and no quotes. I expected more gentlemen.

He stated he respects Bill Krystal. PUKE!! Otherwise it was an interesting speech. Thanks for sharing.

[Gumba of Liberty]

He stated he respects Bill Krystal. PUKE!! Otherwise it was an interesting speech. Thanks for sharing.

You are dead on about that, Billy K is Satan. You're very welcome.