Nick Freitas 2018 | Liberty Rising in Virginia

[Matt Collins]

If you cannot find it in your brain or heart to prefer your countrymen over any arbitrary foreign national who shows up,

False dichotomy, Hobson's choice.

But not only that, all people are equal in the eyes of the law, since all people have natural rights.

What is to come will not be comfortable for you or anyone else who can't bring yourself to align with the principles enumerated in the Declaration of Independence.

What kind of crack are you smoking? What are you even talking about?

[thoughtomator]

False dichotomy, Hobson's choice.

But not only that, all people are equal in the eyes of the law, since all people have natural rights.


What kind of crack are you smoking? What are you even talking about?

I'm saying we the people intend to exercise our sovereign power to secure our border as a means to securing our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

And you will not stop us. If you try, you'll be steamrolled just like everyone else and it will not be pleasant at all.

Get on board or get out of the way, those are the only options on the table for the forseeable future.

[Matt Collins]

I'm saying we the people intend to exercise our sovereign power to secure our border as a means to securing our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

And you will not stop us. If you try, you'll be steamrolled just like everyone else and it will not be pleasant at all.

Get on board or get out of the way, those are the only options on the table for the forseeable future.

You're smoking some serious crack. I highly suggest you get a mental evaluation at your earliest convenience:







and PS - no one said anything about unsecured borders.

[thoughtomator]

You're smoking some serious crack. I highly suggest you get a mental evaluation at your earliest convenience:







and PS - no one said anything about unsecured borders.

It's called the will of the people, Matt, and if you understood that better you may have been somewhat successful at your career.

[Swordsmyth]

Only militarily. The government has no authority to have anything to do with the economy really, other than coining money and determining weights and measures.


Besides there are few things the government can do that are more anti-freedom than tell me who I can and cannot do business with, or raising my taxes, or penalizing me for doing business with certain people.

So you would be happy to be conquered by a hostile foreign power as long as it was economic warfare that was used?

[Swordsmyth]

False dichotomy, Hobson's choice.

But not only that, all people are equal in the eyes of the law, since all people have natural rights.

But they don't all have citizenship rights in America.
If you think the foreigners are going to treat you as an equal and look out for your interests as much as they do their fellow citizens/subjects you are sadly mistaken, even those that don't actively plot against you seek their own interests and their shared interests with their peers ahead of yours.

[Matt Collins]

It's called the will of the people

Seeing as the US is not monolithic or homogeneous that concept only really exists in abstract. And since we are not a democracy, but a Republic, the "will of the people" only extends so far as to not violate the rights of other individuals.

[Matt Collins]

So you would be happy to be conquered by a hostile foreign power as long as it was economic warfare that was used?

In a free market it is almost impossible to wage economic "warfare".

[Matt Collins]

But they don't all have citizenship rights in America.

Citizenship isn't a right, it's a privilege. Government cannot grant rights.

If you are born here then you are granted certain privileges, including the privilege of voting. If you move here and become a citizen then you get those privileges too.


But individual rights still exist whether or not one is a citizen.

even those that don't actively plot against you seek their own interests and their shared interests with their peers ahead of yours.

Every human seeks their own interests regardless of national origins. Not sure what your point is.

[Swordsmyth]

In a free market it is almost impossible to wage economic "warfare".

The world is not a free market, if you are claiming it is impossible to wage economic warfare against a free market then you are just wrong.

[Swordsmyth]

Citizenship isn't a right, it's a privilege. Government cannot grant rights.

If you are born here then you are granted certain privileges, including the privilege of voting. If you move here and become a citizen then you get those privileges too.


But individual rights still exist whether or not one is a citizen.

There are rights that come from citizenship beyond those that come from being human, I have a right to be in America but foreigners don't for one.

Every human seeks their own interests regardless of national origins. Not sure what your point is.

Your fellow Americans share interests with you that foreigners do not, foreigners should not be treated as no different than Americans for your own good.

[thoughtomator]

Seeing as the US is not monolithic or homogeneous that concept only really exists in abstract. And since we are not a democracy, but a Republic, the "will of the people" only extends so far as to not violate the rights of other individuals.

If your principles dictate a situation where Americans cannot control who enters the USA, your principles are immoral and anti-Constitutional, and it's no wonder you haven't been able to do anything worthwhile in your career.

[Matt Collins]

The world is not a free market, if you are claiming it is impossible to wage economic warfare against a free market then you are just wrong.

Maybe maybe not. But it is anti freedom for the government to tax us and tell us who we can't do business with. Do you hate freedom?

[Matt Collins]

There are rights that come from citizenship beyond those that come from being human, I have a right to be in America but foreigners don't for one.

You are confusing rights and privileges.

Your fellow Americans share interests with you that foreigners do not, foreigners should not be treated as no different than Americans for your own good.

Ok, that's just subtly racist. Most foreigners I've met come over here to vacation or to work hard and build a better life. Even the illegals are mostly coming here to work hard because they don't have that opportunity where they come from.

I agree that doesn't necessarily mean the government should just let anyone in either.

[Matt Collins]

If your principles dictate a situation where Americans cannot control who enters the USA, your principles are immoral and anti-Constitutional, and it's no wonder you haven't been able to do anything worthwhile in your career.

Well, you obviously know nothing about what I've accomplished, but let's just say, a lot more than you.

Some people see the issue as property rights, people shouldn't be allowed to trespass. Others see it as an economic issue where the government has no authority to set the supply and price curves of labor. I agree with both which I realize is also a bit of a contradiction.

[Swordsmyth]

You are confusing rights and privileges.

You are reducing rights to privileges.

Ok, that's just subtly racist.

No it isn't, I didn't say "brown people" or "black people" or "yellow people", I said foreigners, I don't care if they are blue eyed blondes or green eyed red heads, until the assimilate they will share interests with their native countrymen that you do not and they won't share interests with you that Americans do.

Most foreigners I've met come over here to vacation or to work hard and build a better life. Even the illegals are mostly coming here to work hard because they don't have that opportunity where they come from.

I agree that doesn't necessarily mean the government should just let anyone in either.

In the first place they still have different interests as I stated above and in the second we are talking about foreigners who don't come here as well as those that do, tariffs are applied to defend American industries against trade warfare by foreigners who don't come here.

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe maybe not. But it is anti freedom for the government to tax us and tell us who we can't do business with. Do you hate freedom?

It is not anti-freedom for the government to protect Americans from hostile foreign trade war, tariffs are one of the forms of taxation the founders approved of because they are one of the forms that is least onerous on Americans citizens.
Trade warfare is used to weaken America and the ordinary middle class American to facilitate world government and domestic socialism, to allow it is to be anti-freedom.

[thoughtomator]

Well, you obviously know nothing about what I've accomplished, but let's just say, a lot more than you.

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[Matt Collins]

until the assimilate they will share interests with their native countrymen that you do not and they won't share interests with you that Americans do.

You are basing your thoughts on the false supposition that there is some sort of monolithic or homogeneous "American culture"... and while there are certainly parts of our society and culture that might be fit in to that category, the whole of the people here is neither.

tariffs are applied to defend American industries against trade warfare by foreigners who don't come here.

Tariffs punish some people and reward others. You must have failed economics 101.

[Matt Collins]

It is not anti-freedom for the government to protect Americans from hostile foreign trade war, tariffs are one of the forms of taxation the founders approved of because they are one of the forms that is least onerous on Americans citizens.
Trade warfare is used to weaken America and the ordinary middle class American to facilitate world government and domestic socialism, to allow it is to be anti-freedom.

Wrong... You too must have failed economics.

Tariffs make things more expensive. And all taxation is theft.

[Swordsmyth]

You are basing your thoughts on the false supposition that there is some sort of monolithic or homogeneous "American culture"... and while there are certainly parts of our society and culture that might be fit in to that category, the whole of the people here is neither.

There is an American culture and while some Americans may share more or less of it foreigners share none of it until they are assimilated.

Tariffs punish some people and reward others. You must have failed economics 101.

So do trade wars waged by foreigners, people get hurt in wars so it is best to discourage others from waging them against you.

Wrong... You too must have failed economics.

Tariffs make things more expensive. And all taxation is theft.

"All taxation is theft" makes a nice bumper sticker but only anarchist really believe it, government has a legitimate role in life and minimal taxes to support that role aren't theft.
Even defensive wars are expensive and countering foreign subsidies designed to turn America into a dependent welfare state incapable of resisting foreign domination and domestic socialism doesn't really make things more expensive, the subsidies make things less expensive in a bad way and the tariffs correct the price.

The best policy is to make it clear that we will defend ourselves against trade warfare and negotiate low tariffs with our would be antagonists.

[Keith and stuff]

Unless Trump manages to fire hundreds of thousands of federal employees, Virginia is lost for probably at least the next four years if not for an extremely long period of time. Best to not waste any effort at all promoting Liberty inside Virginia. North Carolina is still winnable as is South Carolina, and, Tennessee even Kentucky. Why West Virginia is a Backwater when it comes to Freedom like Kentucky. Even West Virginia is highly winnable.

[Matt Collins]

There is an American culture and while some Americans may share more or less of it foreigners share none of it until they are assimilated.

That is one of the most ignorant things I've read on here.

"All taxation is theft" makes a nice bumper sticker but only anarchist really believe it, government has a legitimate role in life and minimal taxes to support that role aren't theft.

In addition to being ignorant on economics you must also not know what the definition of "theft" is


And no, I'm not an anarchist.

[Swordsmyth]

That is one of the most ignorant things I've read on here.

What I responded to was one of the most ignorant thins I've read.

In addition to being ignorant on economics you must also not know what the definition of "theft" is


And no, I'm not an anarchist.

Money payed for a legitimate service is not theft just because in some cases the organization it is owed to has to extract it from someone who attempts to avoid paying what they owe.
Anarchists believe the government doesn't have a legitimate purpose so they can claim that all taxation is theft.