4 years ago I got in this fight [video]

[Matt Collins]

4 years ago I was traveling across the barren wasteland of Minnesota orchestrating the overthrow of dozens of local Republican parties on behalf of the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign.


The idea being to help the locals win back control of their party and build delegates to the Convention in favor of Ron. Our team was so successful that we won almost all national delegate slots available to be won.


This video of a parliamentary fight in particular brings back deep memories where we turned a local 4-hour convention in to a 13 hour convention. The establishment was trying to ram through their pre-selected delegate candidates and we had to fight them literally every step of the way to stop them as evidenced by this video.

[pcosmar]

Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days

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[ChristianAnarchist]

4 years ago I was traveling across the barren wasteland of Minnesota orchestrating the overthrow of dozens of local Republican parties on behalf of the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign.


The idea being to help the locals win back control of their party and build delegates to the Convention in favor of Ron. Our team was so successful that we won almost all national delegate slots available to be won.


This video of a parliamentary fight in particular brings back deep memories where we turned a local 4-hour convention in to a 13 hour convention. The establishment was trying to ram through their pre-selected delegate candidates and we had to fight them literally every step of the way to stop them as evidenced by this video.

You did good Collins. I don't know what you want from us though. You are still wrong to bad mouth the Rand campaign for perceived or real errors. I've stated over and over and no one has disputed that without MEDIA coverage, no amount of "right" decisions will ever make a difference. The media runs the game and until we can find a way around that we are stuck. Yeah, there's direct calls and radio adds and mail and those will make some difference but the MEDIA is the giant and we are the Samson. Our sling shot is not quite powerful enough to kill that giant...

[Matt Collins]

I've stated over and over and no one has disputed that without MEDIA coverage, no amount of "right" decisions will ever make a difference. The media runs the game and until we can find a way around that we are stuck.

Wrong... your inexperience tells you that.

[LibertyEagle]

Wrong... your inexperience tells you that.

Do tell. How would someone successfully run for President with zero media coverage?

[Libertas Aut Mortis]

That inspires me....I wish Rands campaign could have generated that type of fervor...

[Matt Collins]

Do tell. How would someone successfully run for President with zero media coverage?

I don't know, but both Ron and Rand got lots of media coverage.

Now to be fair, if the media is absolutely intent on working against a candidate, then it is very difficult to overcome. It can be done, but it is not easy. In a close election the media can make or break the difference. But in a close election, so can many other things.

[Matt Collins]

That inspires me....I wish Rands campaign could have generated that type of fervor...

Yes, me too.

[Danke]

Trying to ride the coattails of what we did in Minnesota in 2008 again.

[Feelgood]

You did good Collins. I don't know what you want from us though. You are still wrong to bad mouth the Rand campaign for perceived or real errors.

Why? Why are the Paul's allowed to never be questioned? Why should they be allowed to make mistakes or bad decisions with impunity? I just do not understand the blind cult like mentality of so many in these forums. Sorry to break it to you, but Ron and Rand are only human, and they make mistakes and they make bad decisions. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone pointing them out. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Its called reality.

Do tell. How would someone successfully run for President with zero media coverage?

My guess would be the same way it was done before the media really existed? Rally your supporters to do what you can to GOTV. When life hands you lemons, you make lemonade, then sell it for a profit!

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know, but both Ron and Rand got lots of media coverage.

Now to be fair, if the media is absolutely intent on working against a candidate, then it is very difficult to overcome. It can be done, but it is not easy. In a close election the media can make or break the difference. But in a close election, so can many other things.

Not a chance, Matt, and they got very little during their campaigns compared to the others. Fact is, that this campaign season has more than proved to me that there is no way we are going to ever win the Presidency. It would require overwhelming support or the bastards would cheat us out of it. We need to face it, and focus on elections we have a chance of winning. Unless you tell me Peter Thiel has agreed to buy a television network for us.

[Matt Collins]

Not a chance, Matt, and they got very little during their campaigns compared to the others.

Then they didn't play their cards right. Media attention is earned, not given.

Fact is, that this campaign season has more than proved to me that there is no way we are going to ever win the Presidency. It would require overwhelming support or the bastards would cheat us out of it. We need to face it, and focus on elections we have a chance of winning. Unless you tell me Peter Thiel has agreed to buy a television network for us.

You're right that we probably won't win the Presidency, we simply are not big enough. Ron got very close to the Republican nomination in Iowa 2012 though.

Focusing on state and local races are really the best bet. If we can get a Thomas or Justin or Rand elected then we should... targets of opportunity, but our primary objectives should absolutely be state and local.


The one thing that Ron's campaigns did was created a massive network and infrastructure and created a lot of excitement. That was supposed to be inherited by Rand but he botched it. That is a shame because if Rand had grown the base the way it was thought he would, then we would be nearly unstoppable on many state and local projects.

[willwash]

Then they didn't play their cards right. Media attention is earned, not given.

You're right that we probably won't win the Presidency, we simply are not big enough. Ron got very close to the Republican nomination in Iowa 2012 though.

Focusing on state and local races are really the best bet. If we can get a Thomas or Justin or Rand elected then we should... targets of opportunity, but our primary objectives should absolutely be state and local.


The one thing that Ron's campaigns did was created a massive network and infrastructure and created a lot of excitement. That was supposed to be inherited by Rand but he botched it. That is a shame because if Rand had grown the base the way it was thought he would, then we would be nearly unstoppable on many state and local projects.

What do you think about the FSP?

[Matt Collins]

What do you think about the FSP?

In theory it is a great idea but has some major flaws...

1- Most people who pledged are not seriously going to move to NH

2- Many of those who do tend to be anarchists and thus don't vote, therefore the government isn't going to be changed

3- The people of New Hampshire are being overrun by "Massholes" (their phrase) so that for every 1 FSP'er that moves in, they are overshadowed by 50 or more people from Massachusetts.


In Wyoming or Montana this would be a much better idea.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Then they didn't play their cards right. Media attention is earned, not given.

Oh, Ron played his cards right in 2008, there's no doubt about that but the media torpedoed him at every turn. When he was pulling crowds of energized followers bigger than anyone else he got nearly ZERO coverage. Obama would draw a few hundred and the media was all over it. Ron would go up in the polls and his name would be omitted. Do I need to post one of the MANY youtube compilations here to remind you or are you just trying to forget so that you can claim you had it "in the bag"?

Why do you insist on showing your ignorance in this one area or are you just trapped in your own lies? I really thought you were a pretty good guy back then and I even have to hand it to you in MN that was a great effort but THE MEDIA just ain't gonna let it happen... There is NO magic bullet here (Mod edit)

The only value in running a campaign that is almost error free is to show how much TPTB run the show no matter what the people want...

[ChristianAnarchist]

Why? Why are the Paul's allowed to never be questioned? Why should they be allowed to make mistakes or bad decisions with impunity? I just do not understand the blind cult like mentality of so many in these forums. Sorry to break it to you, but Ron and Rand are only human, and they make mistakes and they make bad decisions. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone pointing them out. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Its called reality.

No one says you can't point out some errors and every campaign is going to have them. Even the Trumpster is making tons of errors but guess what? It doesn't matter because the media just keeps mentioning his name.

The "errors" that Rand and Ron have made have been discussed over and over and when it gets to the point of beating a dead horse (Collins) then it's time to just move on. We know there were errors made and we know that EVERY campaign out there makes even greater ones but guess who gets the short end of media coverage and is relegated to the back room??

[Matt Collins]

Oh, Ron played his cards right in 2008

Not even close. '08 was a disaster, no one knew what they were doing and there was no viable plan in place.

, there's no doubt about that but the media torpedoed him at every turn.

Yes, a lot of which could have been quelled if the '08 campaign had some experienced professionals on board that knew how to handle the media.

When he was pulling crowds of energized followers bigger than anyone else he got nearly ZERO coverage.

That does not equate to votes.

[willwash]

Not even close. '08 was a disaster, no one knew what they were doing and there was no viable plan in place.

Yes, a lot of which could have been quelled if the '08 campaign had some experienced professionals on board that knew how to handle the media.


That does not equate to votes.

He's catchin' on, I'm tellin' ya.

[CPUd]

Why? Why are the Paul's allowed to never be questioned? Why should they be allowed to make mistakes or bad decisions with impunity? I just do not understand the blind cult like mentality of so many in these forums. Sorry to break it to you, but Ron and Rand are only human, and they make mistakes and they make bad decisions. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone pointing them out. You have to learn to take the good with the bad. Its called reality.

Just like Collins, you know damn well why the admins do not want constant negativity from members in the candidate forums. Don't pretend like you don't know just so you can keep bringing it back up, you were told multiple times not to even post in Rand's forum. Like Collins, you cared more about being "right" than respecting the site's guidelines, and you both got banned for it.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Not even close. '08 was a disaster, no one knew what they were doing and there was no viable plan in place.

Yes, a lot of which could have been quelled if the '08 campaign had some experienced professionals on board that knew how to handle the media.


That does not equate to votes.

Wrong again Collins. Compare to Trumpster 2015. He had no one "handling" the media and yet they jumped on every crazy word he said (any media is good media). The ONE thing that we could never overcome is the media bias and that's the one you will never be able to overcome. Run your campaigns. Do everything "right" and you still will get no media if you are pro liberty and that's that...

[chudrockz]

Thankfully in Blue Earth county Minnesota Ron Paul was so strong that they couldn't (or wouldn't) try any shenanigans. I've been a liberty delegate every election since. I am again this time.

[Danke]

Thankfully in Blue Earth county Minnesota Ron Paul was so strong that they couldn't (or wouldn't) try any shenanigans. I've been a liberty delegate every election since. I am again this time.

I see you are in MN's Barren wastelands.

[COLOR=#141823][FONT=helvetica]4 years ago I was traveling across the barren wasteland of Minnesota orchestrating the overthrow of dozens of local Republican parties on behalf of the Ron Paul Presidential Campaign.

[Matt Collins]

Wrong again Collins. Compare to Trumpster 2015. He had no one "handling" the media and yet they jumped on every crazy word he said (any media is good media).

Incorrect. Trump has a team of people handling the media. He also makes himself available at every opportunity. Trump plays the media like a fiddle, and they love it. For example, do you think the timing of the recent Chicago nonsense was coincidental?

The ONE thing that we could never overcome is the media bias and that's the one you will never be able to overcome. Run your campaigns. Do everything "right" and you still will get no media if you are pro liberty and that's that...

[ChristianAnarchist]

Incorrect. Trump has a team of people handling the media. He also makes himself available at every opportunity. Trump plays the media like a fiddle, and they love it. For example, do you think the timing of the recent Chicago nonsense was coincidental?

Now I'm not sure if you are simply mistaken or lying. You saw that I stated "2015", right?? Of course he has a "team" now in 2016. I specifically mentioned Trumpster 2015 because when he first jumped in, he was a loner, a non-starter. Really nothing but a clown out of his element but THE MEDIA couldn't get enough of him. When he started polling, that's when he got a "team" because it actually looked like he had some traction...

[Matt Collins]

When he started polling, that's when he got a "team" because it actually looked like he had some traction...

Wrong again... Trump has been working on this since at least before 2010.

[LibertyEagle]

Then they didn't play their cards right. Media attention is earned, not given.

You're right that we probably won't win the Presidency, we simply are not big enough. Ron got very close to the Republican nomination in Iowa 2012 though.

No, he didn't. What you should have said is that he got very close to winning IOWA. Close to the nomination? Not a chance.

Focusing on state and local races are really the best bet. If we can get a Thomas or Justin or Rand elected then we should... targets of opportunity, but our primary objectives should absolutely be state and local.

The one thing that Ron's campaigns did was created a massive network and infrastructure and created a lot of excitement. That was supposed to be inherited by Rand but he botched it. That is a shame because if Rand had grown the base the way it was thought he would, then we would be nearly unstoppable on many state and local projects.

I don't know what the hell happened to Rand, but the way he ran his campaign is exactly how someone would have run it if they wanted to make damn sure they lost. I found it quite shocking actually.

[Matt Collins]

No, he didn't. What you should have said is that he got very close to winning IOWA. Close to the nomination? Not a chance.

Winning Iowa would have given Ron an opportunity to win the nomination.

I don't know what the hell happened to Rand, but the way he ran his campaign is exactly how someone would have run it if they wanted to make damn sure they lost. I found it quite shocking actually.

Yep... I think Rand may have overthought things a bit too much.

[LibertyEagle]

Winning Iowa would have given Ron an opportunity to win the nomination.

Yes, it would have given him a chance in hell of getting it; as opposed to a snowball's chance in hell..

Yep... I think Rand may have overthought things a bit too much.

Overthought? It looked like he didn't think at all.

[JK/SEA]

Yes, it would have given him a chance in hell of getting it; as opposed to a snowball's chance in hell..


Overthought? It looked like he didn't think at all.

i nominate LE to be Rands campaign mgr. for 2020...

do i have a 2nd?..

[LibertyEagle]

i nominate LE to be Rands campaign mgr. for 2020...

do i have a 2nd?..

Since you apparently thought it was great, you'd be the obvious choice for another great performance.