CNN Poll - Biden leading Trump by almost 20 points

[Anti Federalist]

I have no horse in this race, I don't care who wins.

Yes, you do.

I explained why you do in post #14.

[Anti Federalist]

I wonder if Biden wins and they come after guns what will happen then? My guess is nothing.

Your guess is correct.

Outside of a few committed outliers, nuts and die hards, the vast, huge majority of the "From my cold dead hands" crowd will meekly submit, turn in their guns and ammo and thank the officer taking thousands of dollars of their property (not to mention their God given rights) to the burn pile for his service.

The few that do resist will be crushed, and headlines like this will be their epitaph:

Nest of Racist Vipers Smashed: Weapons Cache Destroyed, Many Arrested

[parocks]

I think this is spot-on. I would only quibble with counting the neo-conservatives as part of the "right." As far as I can tell, they've always been lefties in "sheep's clothing" (and the fact that the neo-cons have decamped nearly in toto in support of Hillary and Biden, along with other NeverTrumpers, only confirms this to me). In any case, the control by the left of media organs, entertainment organs and academia is already a fait accompli.

The problem is that the "right" is not (and never really has been) a distinct "thing" unto itself. Not in the way that the left is and has been. The left is homogeneously "progressive" in nature. But the right, at its most reducible, seems to resolve down to merely being "not the left" - with an attendant lack of ideological unity and coherence among its various factions. It is only due to the vagaries and looseness of English that the "right" has (erroneously) come to be considered equivalent to or synonymous with "conservatives" (who are but one element of the right).

Unfortunately, I don't see what can be done about this - except to secede/separate/decentralize as a way of "scattering out" from in front of the aggressive juggernaut of unchecked progressivism that is trying to steamroll everything and everyone.

Even if one or more elements of the right were able to successfully withstand the left, it seems that this would require some kind of fascistic authoritarianism to hold things together and forcibly keep a lid on "counter-reaction" from the left. This is why I think the possibilities are ultimately limited to right-fascist authoritarianism, left-socialist authoritarianism, or secession/separation/decentralization. (And of course, in the latter event, there are no guarantees that some of the seceded/separated/decentralized parts won't end up falling under the heel of some flavor of authoritarianism ...)

Of course this is illegal, and therefore impossible, but the left would fall apart if the Billionaires like Soros were removed from the equation. So much that has been happening for a long time has been the plan of folks like Soros, Rothschild, etc.

[Anti Federalist]

Of course this is illegal, and therefore impossible, but the left would fall apart if the Billionaires like Soros were removed from the equation. So much that has been happening for a long time has been the plan of folks like Soros, Rothschild, etc.

These guys are just middlemen...what is happening right now in AmeriKa is state sponsored Marxist revolution.

And there is only one communist country on the face of the earth right now that has the power and money and OPSEC to accomplish that goal.

[Occam's Banana]

Very true, but maddeningly the left is even less united or having common ground than the right: their grievance groups are constantly at each other's throats. The only thing that unites them is hatred of us, and The Orange Man.

As with any fanatical religious cult, the heretics and apostates are hated even more than the heathens are. If the woke crowd ever does get its hands on enough power, their first step will be to consolidate that power by purging their own ranks first. Then they'll be coming for the rest of us ... (see, for example: Bolshevism, Russian, history of).

I recently heard something about some woke activist groups (in the southwest US, I think) who had a nasty falling-out with each other over whether Blacks [sic] were higher-ranking "victims" than Native [sic] Americans. Apparently, the "I" part of BIPOC thinks that the "B" part are/were colonizing "settlers" (albeit unwilling ones), and thus, I > B. The "B" part, of course, thinks that slavery is the trump suit, and thus, B > I. I'd be laughing like a hyena at all this nonsense if it weren't so dangerous (and perhaps eventually, literally lethal).

Hat tip to Anti Federalist and Occam's Banana. Great points being made by both.

However, I must disagree that decentralization is a way out of the mess. The leftists will not tolerate it, and the result would be little different from some kind of civil war in which those that decentralized are forever playing defense and suffering more. The leftists are going to bring the fight to anyone that desires freedom whether we like it or not.

You may be right. Things might well play out that way. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. It won't be enough for the left that they merely don't want to tolerate it. That will of course be the case (just as the Soviets did not want the Soviet Union to collapse). But they will also have to have both the will and wherewithal to actually enforce it (as the Soviets did not).

I have elaborated my thoughts on this particular subject elsewhere, so I won't repeat them here. Anyone who is interested can find some of what I think about the matter in this thread, especially in post #14 and post #21.

[Occam's Banana]

Apropos the discussion between myself, @Anti Federalist and @BSWPaulsen, see this thread:

Olbermann calls for mass imprisonment of Trump supporters

[DiverseSegregation]

As with any fanatical religious cult, the heretics and apostates are hated even more than the heathens are. If the woke crowd ever does get its hands on enough power, their first step will be to consolidate that power by purging their own ranks first. Then they'll be coming for the rest of us ... (see, for example: Bolshevism, Russian, history of).

I recently heard something about some woke activist groups (in the southwest US, I think) who had a nasty falling-out with each other over whether Blacks [sic] were higher-ranking "victims" than Native [sic] Americans. Apparently, the "I" part of BIPOC thinks that the "B" part are/were colonizing "settlers" (albeit unwilling ones), and thus, I > B. The "B" part, of course, thinks that slavery is the trump suit, and thus, B > I. I'd be laughing like a hyena at all this nonsense if it weren't so dangerous (and perhaps eventually, literally lethal).



You may be right. Things might well play out that way. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. It won't be enough for the left that they merely don't want to tolerate it. That will of course be the case (just as the Soviets did not want the Soviet Union to collapse). But they will also have to have both the will and wherewithal to actually enforce it (as the Soviets did not).

I have elaborated my thoughts on this particular subject elsewhere, so I won't repeat them here. Anyone who is interested can find some of what I think about the matter in this thread, especially in post #14 and post #21.

I guess if BLM and ANTIFA and left radicals can use violence to promote an illogical agenda, true patriots might choose to utilize violence when all their peaceful options have been eliminated. It is possible that Conservatives are dying off and the indoctrinated society is the mass population so there will not be anybody left that even knows right from wrong.