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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    They're doing the bidding of an agenda much higher than "the government". See my sig.

    But yes, their goal is to only have 100% agenda compliant/complicit corporations left standing. Remember, the WEF Great Reset official video already stated "By 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy." Obviously that means there will be no going-to-Walmart-to-buy-a-widget anymore, much less going-to-momandpop-to-buy-a-widget. Instead, Walmart/Amazon/Walmazon will deliver some rental widget to you under a subscription "usage" plan. It should be quite obvious that the covid shutdowns exist, at least in large part, to gut independent businesses and consolidate more control for the agenda compliant/complicit corporations to keep implementing the agenda.

    eta:
    I had an "a-ha" moment when it occurred to me that even the masks themselves are being used to consolidate more corporate control. Whenever I went into a small business, I expected something about being required to wear a mask. Well, since I don't do that, I've been avoiding small businesses and just defaulting to a big box store. Why? Because the big box stores have specifically been told by their ivory tower management to NOT enforce masks. It's the big box stores where I don't have to worry about being forced to wear one. Ironic, since it was the big box stores that STARTED the mask crap. Now, they don't enforce them but small businesses do. The small businesses are so terrified of being cited or shut down for not complying with the mandates that they're actually driving even more customers away by strictly enforcing them, even when the likelihood of any sort of enforcement arm citing them is practically nil.
    What I've noticed is the further you go out into the country the less mask mandates are enforced.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  3. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Some precursors are unconscionable, it is not the same thing to require clothing or even a mask as it is to require that you be injected with an experimental and dangerous vaccine (or be injected with any vaccine)
    And making a vaccine available (which would have happened even if trump opposed it) has nothing to do with the Mark of the Beast, requiring things in order to participate in the economy is a fundamental step towards it.
    And Trump took that fundamental step when he endorsed the economic shutdown by tweeting against the governor of Georgia opening up "too early." Face it. Your punk a$$ boi is in league with the beast.





    Using military logistics to distribute it doesn't matter one way or the other, and not only did Trump not say to inject bleach but IV Hydrogen Peroxide IS a viable treatment for the virus as is IV UV light (another kind of disinfectant).
    So just stop spreading MSM garbage, it doesn't help your case or hurt mine.
    Byllshyt! Trump did NOT say "Hydrogen Peroxide!" I just rewatched the clip. That's a lie that Trump punk a$$ boi apologist made up to cover for his embarrassment. This is what the research said about disinfectants.

    Were also testing disinfectants readily available. Weve tested bleach, weve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and thats with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. Were also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.

    Note that there was no mention of hydrogen peroxide. Note that isopropyl alcohol and bleach were mentioned. Now here is Trump punk a$$ boi making a fool of himself.

    TRUMP: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, youre going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

    Nobody said hydrogen peroxide so quit lying.

    Operation Warp Speed would have happened with or without Trump but the MSM would have convinced millions of people that Trump was standing in the way of a cure for the plague and that would have either made it harder to prove the election fraud or given Biden an actual win.
    He could have simply stayed out the way then. Instead he jumped on the train.

    There are things nobody has a right to require, not even 95 year old grandmothers and the ruling class has stolen enough to the economy and brainwashed enough sheep that that principle becomes important, you can't punish companies in this situation, they will punish you.
    Byllshyt. It's not "pushing" something to say "You can't come in my house / private business." Take your business somewhere else. Start another business and compete with 95 y/o grandma. You have no right to bully yourself into her house.

    How the vaccine is transported is completely irrelevant.
    Byllshyt. By having the military transport it, Trump is pre positioning the military to be able to react to potential unrest. I'm pretty sure @Anti Federalist can see this even if you have your head so far up Trump's butt that you can't see it.


    The Mark of the Beast is not a vaccine, we have had vaccines for a long time, the Mark is a system that excludes people from the economy to force them to perform a certain act.
    WE HAVE ALSO HAD VACCINE MANDATES FOR A LONG TIME YOU MORON! YOU CAN'T REGISTER FOR SCHOOL, INCLUDING MANY COLLEGE, WITHOUT A VACCINE RECORD! AND NOT JUST BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO GOVERNMENTS ENFORCE THESE VACCINE MANDATES! Now I'm for getting government out of the mandate business. You are shilling for the opposite position, that is one of giving the government more power which they will ultimately use to enforce the mark of the beast.

    You are in favor of people being forced to violate their bodily integrity to participate in the economy, that is a MAJOR step towards the Mark of the Beast, a vaccine being created and distributed is not a step towards anything.
    Byllshyt! I am in favor of people engaging in voluntary exchanges and choosing who they want to do business with. You are in favor of the government tell people who they can and can't buy or sell to. You are the one pushing the mark of the beast and you are too stupid to realize it. (Or maybe just too dishonest).

    The military is not required to force it on anyone, local government and businesses will take care of that if it comes.
    Military distribution is nothing but a meaningless way to demonstrate that Trump is "doing everything he can to end the plague".
    MORON! THE MILITARY EXISTS AS AN INSTRUMENT OF FORCE! Just look at the "humanitarian" mission of Somalia that turned into BlackHawk Down. Using your stupid logic Trump should keep troops in Somalia.

    Your grasp of logic is precarious.
    You must be talking to yourself again moron.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  5. #153
    A business should be allowed to require its employees to dance the hokey pokey for the sadistic amusement of its owners.

    So, yes, they should, and, if you don't like it, the employee should be (and universally is) free to quit.

    You are not a slave of your employer, but also vice versa.

    P.S. If you find this freedom unappealing, and simply wish to be assured of a meal, then you might try socialist slavery.
    Last edited by r3volution 3.0; 12-08-2020 at 01:58 AM.

  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    They're doing the bidding of an agenda much higher than "the government". See my sig.

    But yes, their goal is to only have 100% agenda compliant/complicit corporations left standing. Remember, the WEF Great Reset official video already stated "By 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy." Obviously that means there will be no going-to-Walmart-to-buy-a-widget anymore, much less going-to-momandpop-to-buy-a-widget. Instead, Walmart/Amazon/Walmazon will deliver some rental widget to you under a subscription "usage" plan. It should be quite obvious that the covid shutdowns exist, at least in large part, to gut independent businesses and consolidate more control for the agenda compliant/complicit corporations to keep implementing the agenda.

    eta:
    I had an "a-ha" moment when it occurred to me that even the masks themselves are being used to consolidate more corporate control. Whenever I went into a small business, I expected something about being required to wear a mask. Well, since I don't do that, I've been avoiding small businesses and just defaulting to a big box store. Why? Because the big box stores have specifically been told by their ivory tower management to NOT enforce masks. It's the big box stores where I don't have to worry about being forced to wear one. Ironic, since it was the big box stores that STARTED the mask crap. Now, they don't enforce them but small businesses do. The small businesses are so terrified of being cited or shut down for not complying with the mandates that they're actually driving even more customers away by strictly enforcing them, even when the likelihood of any sort of enforcement arm citing them is practically nil.

    This is a VERY astute post. Hopefully it will be taken to heart. Probably, that's a forlorn hope.

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  7. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And Trump took that fundamental step when he endorsed the economic shutdown by tweeting against the governor of Georgia opening up "too early." Face it. Your punk a$$ boi is in league with the beast.

    Non Sequitur.
    Neither Trump's political maneuvering in response to the MSM/deepstate hype nor his wife's religion prove anything.




    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Byllshyt! Trump did NOT say "Hydrogen Peroxide!" I just rewatched the clip. That's a lie that Trump punk a$$ boi apologist made up to cover for his embarrassment. This is what the research said about disinfectants.

    Were also testing disinfectants readily available. Weve tested bleach, weve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus, specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids. And I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes; isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds, and thats with no manipulation, no rubbing — just spraying it on and letting it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. Were also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva.

    Note that there was no mention of hydrogen peroxide. Note that isopropyl alcohol and bleach were mentioned. Now here is Trump punk a$$ boi making a fool of himself.

    TRUMP: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, youre going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.

    Nobody said hydrogen peroxide so quit lying.
    You are putting two different things together, hydrogen peroxide and UV light are both disinfectants, Trump said something about injecting disinfectants, he did not say to inject bleach.
    And if you insist that he had to be talking about things he had said in the other statement then please note that alcohol is found in the human bloodstream quite often and is one of the things he mentioned.
    He also said "Were also looking at other disinfectants" hydrogen peroxied and UV light are "other disinfectants".

    Stop watching the MSM.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    He could have simply stayed out the way then. Instead he jumped on the train.
    No he could not have stayed out of the way, he would have been crucified, they already had and continued to accuse him of doing nothing while Americans died.
    And by hopping on the train he was able to play caboose and apply the breaks slowly to slow it down as much as he could.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Byllshyt. It's not "pushing" something to say "You can't come in my house / private business." Take your business somewhere else. Start another business and compete with 95 y/o grandma. You have no right to bully yourself into her house.
    It is absolutely pushing something to run around telling people that they can be required to have their bodies violated with a dangerous experimental vaccine.
    This is one of the stupidest and most disgusting positions held by libertarians and you are defending it with enthusiasm.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Byllshyt. By having the military transport it, Trump is pre positioning the military to be able to react to potential unrest. I'm pretty sure @Anti Federalist can see this even if you have your head so far up Trump's butt that you can't see it.
    LOL
    The tiny amount of military that will be involved in transporting and handing out the vaccine will not make the slightest difference.



    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    WE HAVE ALSO HAD VACCINE MANDATES FOR A LONG TIME YOU MORON! YOU CAN'T REGISTER FOR SCHOOL, INCLUDING MANY COLLEGE, WITHOUT A VACCINE RECORD! AND NOT JUST BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO GOVERNMENTS ENFORCE THESE VACCINE MANDATES! Now I'm for getting government out of the mandate business. You are shilling for the opposite position, that is one of giving the government more power which they will ultimately use to enforce the mark of the beast.
    I am opposing vaccine mandates, you are supporting them.
    That puts you on the side of those trying to expand them and that is continuing the move towards the Mark of the Beast, saying people can't be required to have their bodies violated and that we should roll back and eliminate vaccine mandates because they are unconscionable does nothing to help the Mark of the Beast.
    I suppose you think having the government outlaw murder is a step towards the Mark of the Beast too?



    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Byllshyt! I am in favor of people engaging in voluntary exchanges and choosing who they want to do business with. You are in favor of the government tell people who they can and can't buy or sell to. You are the one pushing the mark of the beast and you are too stupid to realize it. (Or maybe just too dishonest).
    You are siding with the ruling class imposing requirements that people have things inserted into their bodies in order to participate in the economy, I oppose that.
    There is nothing in the Bible that says the Mark will be specifically enforced by the state, the state may only stand back and allow banks to enforce it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    MORON! THE MILITARY EXISTS AS AN INSTRUMENT OF FORCE! Just look at the "humanitarian" mission of Somalia that turned into BlackHawk Down. Using your stupid logic Trump should keep troops in Somalia.
    The military routinely refrains from using force, they happen to have lots of transportation resources and medical personnel that are already paid for.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You must be talking to yourself again moron.
    You continue to prove that you fail on logic and facts so you must resort to pounding the table.
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  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Non Sequitur.
    Neither Trump's political maneuvering in response to the MSM/deepstate hype nor his wife's religion prove anything.
    Riiiiight. Any excuse from your punk a$$ boy Trump will do. Do you know that under Obama gain of function research for corona viruses was stopped and it was re-started under Trump?

    https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we...ction-research

    Of course you will excuse that too because you're a total shill. Just like you excuse the bumpfire stock ban, the red flag law trial balloon, the praise for an assault weapons ban before and after being president and everything else. Seriously you aren't worth talking to because you are nothing but a shill for Trump and a dishonest one at that.

    The military routinely refrains from using force, they happen to have lots of transportation resources and medical personnel that are already paid for.
    Moron THE MILITARY IS BEING PRE-POSITIONED! Do you think if there is unrest over a vaccine that the pre-positioned military is just going to sit on its a$$? And no, the military is not at all needed to distribute the vaccine. It's a set up and you are too stupid and have your head stuck too far up Trump's butt to figure it out.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 12-08-2020 at 08:01 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    An LLC is also a corporation and which applies to the government for the privilege of being able to limit liability to the assets of the entity. And individual bankruptcy affects the individuals personal credit. But if your corporate entity goes bankrupt your credit is unaffected. So no. A corporation is not "just a group of owners." A partnership is "just a group of owners." In general you don't have to go to the government to get permission to form a partnership. In general you don't have to go to the government to get permission to start a sole proprietorship. Back to your gay grass cutter example. Often corporations are not run by the "owners." There are a lot of co "owners" of Google, Facebook, Twitter etc that in some cases don't even know they're owners (invested in mutual funds) and would not at all approve of many of the things those companies do.
    I agree that corporations aren't exactly set up the same as other businesses. My point is that they are still owned by individuals and should have the same rights.

  10. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree that corporations aren't exactly set up the same as other businesses. My point is that they are still owned by individuals and should have the same rights.
    And governments are owned by corporations. Show shouldn't they also have the same rights?
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  11. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree that corporations aren't exactly set up the same as other businesses. My point is that they are still owned by individuals and should have the same rights.
    Nonsense. That's like saying "An army is made up of a group of individuals and so the army should have the same rights even in a time of war." For one thing the army isn't the individual. For another thing the individuals who joined the army have put themselves under (if they volunteered) or have been put under (if they are drafted) a different set of rules. A truck full of soldiers doing nothing but driving down the highway in a time of war are a legitimate target to bomb regardless of what they are doing or about to do. But if you take prisoners of war you can't in general try them for murder for killing other soldiers on the battlefield. You can try a civilian since he doesn't fall under the rules of war. And you can try a captured soldier for killing a civilian.

    Back to corporations. Again, corporate person-hood is a myth. Organizations aren't people. People are people. The individual people who invested in the corporation still have all of their rights as individuals. But by definition of being a corporation, they have state granted privileges, the chief being taking away the right of other people for full redress in court! Corporations don't, and shouldn't get that extra right for free. A partnership, which is also a collection of individuals, is not granted that additional right.

    Consider defamation law for an example. Let's take the case of what happened to Nick Sandman. Yes he got to sue CNN and get redress. But say if CNN was just a shell corporation? A group of people who hate a particular political figure could pool their money to fund an attack on a candidate they don't like. Think Citizens United going after Hillary Clinton or the Lincoln Project going after Donald Trump. Okay. That's well and good. But say if a shell corporation like that had gone after Nick Sandman and then after losing their lawsuit declared bankruptcy and dissolved. Where would his redress be? Again, that is far different from all of the individuals who invested in the corporation having to declare personal bankruptcy to avoid the judgment against them.

    Or look at what was recently revealed about Facebook, Twitter and Google sharing information about who to de-platform. That's a potential anti-trust violation. If your gut tells you "that's wrong" your gut is right. That's an enormous amount of power handed over to un-accountable people. But to try to equate that to three (or more) individuals saying "You know what? I don't want to hear from Alex Jones anymore. I won't carry his information on my blog. I won't have him on my podcast. I won't let him post comments. I encourage others to do the same." That's different because it's a choice being made by an individual, an individual you can personally hold accountable, and not some namely, faceless corporation that is controlled not by its owners but by its board of directors.

    Corporations can grow as big as they do and amass the power they have by the fact that the owners' risk is limited to the money they put in. If you invested early in Amazon.com you might be a millionaire. If you invested in Pets.com....well and least you weren't hamstrung by their debt when they went under. Yes that serves a useful function in society, but there is also a price. To treat the the same as a sole proprietorship because "reasons" makes no sense. And conflating corporations with individuals confuses and weakens the liberty argument.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 12-08-2020 at 09:41 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  12. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    And governments are owned by corporations. Show shouldn't they also have the same rights?
    Government: You have the right to remain silent! (Governments only exercise that right when it's to the detriment of their subjects).
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  14. #161
    Trump did NOT say the military is going to inject at gunpoint. Just to use them to quickly distribute. There’s no way we have a federally mandated vaccine. They have all stated this already but go ahead and keep pushing your DU talking points. TDS is real. Even Snopes says you are full of sht...lmao



    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fo...ines-covid-19/
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  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    Trump did NOT say the military is going to inject at gunpoint. Just to use them to quickly distribute. There’s no way we have a federally mandated vaccine. They have all stated this already but go ahead and keep pushing your DU talking points. TDS is real. Even Snopes says you are full of sht...lmao



    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fo...ines-covid-19/
    Another lying Trump cuck. I never said Trump mandated the vaccine. I said the troops were being pre-positioned. If you think these pre-positioned troops are going to sit back and do nothing if/when the rioting starts then there is no hope for you and your two remaining brain cells. Also in 2014 the funding for the Wuhan COVID-19 research was suspended by the NIH. It was re started in December 2017. Guess who was president then?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #163
    So the question

    Should businesses be allowed to require a covid vaccine?

    actually means should a business be permitted to coerce & force employees to forego INFORMED CONSENT

    How the f u c k can an employer provide details about a vaccine which it knows nothing?

    How the f u c k can an employer be part of the INFORMED CONSENT loop without HIPPA authority ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    An employer would then be LIABLE in said employee is injured thereafter.

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    .DON'T TAX ME BRO!!!

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    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)

  17. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Another lying Trump cuck. I never said Trump mandated the vaccine. I said the troops were being pre-positioned. If you think these pre-positioned troops are going to sit back and do nothing if/when the rioting starts then there is no hope for you and your two remaining brain cells. Also in 2014 the funding for the Wuhan COVID-19 research was suspended by the NIH. It was re started in December 2017. Guess who was president then?
    Another lying fake news CUCK. I never directed my post at you and what you claimed as you personally attack me, I merely pointed out the facts that refute the claim that the military will be used in order to force vaccinations upon us, which others have basically stated using claims by such sources as CNN...lol...yes, troops are being prepositioned because the left is now on twitter organizing more unrest in anticipation of SCOTUS ruling today. You can ignore the obvious but the obvious will not ignore you...lol....also.....if SCOTUS does not rule in favor, I hope those troops will be used to make the arrests once the insurrection act has been imposed. Because that is what needs to happen. The lower courts, the governors, election officials, poll workers have ALL committed treason.
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  18. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    Another lying fake news CUCK. I never directed my post at you and what you claimed as you personally attack me, I merely pointed out the facts that refute the claim that the military will be used in order to force vaccinations upon us, which others have basically stated using claims by such sources as CNN...lol...yes, troops are being prepositioned because the left is now on twitter organizing more unrest in anticipation of SCOTUS ruling today. You can ignore the obvious but the obvious will not ignore you...lol....also.....if SCOTUS does not rule in favor, I hope those troops will be used to make the arrests once the insurrection act has been imposed. Because that is what needs to happen. The lower courts, the governors, election officials, poll workers have ALL committed treason.
    A) I'm the only one that raised that point in this thread.

    B) It will most likely be president Biden making the arrests.

    C) President Biden will also make good use of Trump's bumpfire stock ban and he'll likely enact Trump's red flag law recommendations, possibly incorporating Rand Paul's "48 hour due process" idea.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  19. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Not according to every “news” station on teevee, where most Americans get their government orders information.

    Ohio and PA are already preparing for massive rollouts, leaving very few behind who will eventually be dealt with. ACLU and the news’ pre-selected employment rights attorneys are all on board. According to the news, coronavirus is extremely deadly and must be eradicated immediately. “Discrimination” will not be tolerated.
    Of course it will.

    Cornell U. Offers Exemption to Mandatory Flu Vaccine Policy for ‘BIPOC’ Students

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/...ipoc-students/

    Now, pipe down, cracker, and take your shot.
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  20. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Now, explain how you would go about getting the government to prevent businesses to mandate vaccines when the "head of the GOP" Donald "Punk a$$ boi" Trump pushed for and funded the warp speed vaccine and said the military should distribute it. That is what you need to be fighting against.
    Big business has consistently opposed Trump.

    They could continue on this issue.

    But they won't.
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  21. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Of course it will.

    Cornell U. Offers Exemption to Mandatory Flu Vaccine Policy for ‘BIPOC’ Students

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/...ipoc-students/

    Now, pipe down, cracker, and take your shot.
    What is with the left and acronyms? BIPOC? Before clicking on the link thought that my be "bi polar condition" or "bi sexual persons or couples" or Jussie Smollet deciding to be the "bi Tupac" instead of the "gay Tupac."

    Anyhow, you now have your out. Just claim you are at least as much Native American as Elizabeth Warren. That should be pretty easy.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  23. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Big business has consistently opposed Trump.
    I didn't see them come out and oppose the bumpfire stock ban. I missed the opposition to support for the Saudi war in Yemen.

    They could continue on this issue.

    But they won't.
    Of course they won't. Some like Bill Gates are in on it. Others are scared. Not so much of the virus as of the economic fallout of the shutdowns not ending. Listen again to Dave Ramsey's rant. It was all about the economic consequences. That's understandable. But what will make those consequences go away? Why confidence in vaccine of course! Ramsey did say he wasn't masking so he might go against the vaccine. But I heard Sean Hannity the other day shilling hard about "Trump's accomplishment with this wonderful vaccine." Hannity COMPLAINED ABOUT DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS DELAYING THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE VACCINE IN THEIR STATES! Sorry for the shouting and the all caps but I don't want you to miss this. The Orange Monkey has greased the skids or whatever happens next. A smart play by the NWO would be for states like New York and California to STOP distribution of the Warp Speed vaccine, make it public that it's because they don't trust Trump,, and then sit back and watch (some) of the pro-Trump shills push the vaccine on their behalf.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  24. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What is with the left and acronyms? BIPOC? Before clicking on the link thought that my be "bi polar condition" or "bi sexual persons or couples" or Jussie Smollet deciding to be the "bi Tupac" instead of the "gay Tupac."

    Anyhow, you now have your out. Just claim you are at least as much Native American as Elizabeth Warren. That should be pretty easy.
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  25. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    A business should be allowed to require its employees to dance the hokey pokey for the sadistic amusement of its owners.

    So, yes, they should, and, if you don't like it, the employee should be (and universally is) free to quit.

    You are not a slave of your employer, but also vice versa.

    P.S. If you find this freedom unappealing, and simply wish to be assured of a meal, then you might try socialist slavery.
    That might be how you would like it to work in your global, benevolent, capitalist monarchy, but IIRC, it didn't work out in the long run for Harvey Weinstein.

    And more to the subject of the thread, requiring sex from your employees is a bridge too far, as is requiring a person to take an experimental injection.

    That's how it works in the real world. It comes down to how reasonable and relevant to the job the employer request is. And simply requesting something out of line can result in legal trouble for the employer.
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  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What is with the left and acronyms? BIPOC? Before clicking on the link thought that my be "bi polar condition" or "bi sexual persons or couples" or Jussie Smollet deciding to be the "bi Tupac" instead of the "gay Tupac."

    Anyhow, you now have your out. Just claim you are at least as much Native American as Elizabeth Warren. That should be pretty easy.
    LOL, sorry man, I should have made that clear, it threw me the first time I saw that as well: BIPOC...da $#@!?

    True story: I was reading through some mandated safety garbage from my office that had to be disseminated to the crew.

    So here I am at the weekly safety meeting: Stop Work Authority this and Personal Protective Equipment that and blarg blarg blarg...for the ten millionth time.

    And then I "lock up"...guys who were there said they could almost see the little champagne "confusion bubbles" popping over my head.

    "All risks, in all cases, must be ALARP".

    Blink...blink...ALARP...blink...

    ALARP??

    ALARP???!!!

    What the holy hell is ALARP????

    Well, maybe you had to be there...but it was unsettling and my comical reaction showed that, to be utterly roadblocked by an unknown FLA (Five Letter Acronym).

    ALARP, of course, means As Low As Reasonably Possible.

    But I didn't know that at the time.
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  27. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    But I didn't know that at the time.
    Newspeek.. You will catch on.
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  28. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I didn't see them come out and oppose the bumpfire stock ban. I missed the opposition to support for the Saudi war in Yemen.
    Clearly and overall, Big Tech and Big Business abhorred Trump and contributed millions to his defeat.

    Of course they won't. Some like Bill Gates are in on it. Others are scared. Not so much of the virus as of the economic fallout of the shutdowns not ending. Listen again to Dave Ramsey's rant. It was all about the economic consequences. That's understandable. But what will make those consequences go away? Why confidence in vaccine of course! Ramsey did say he wasn't masking so he might go against the vaccine. But I heard Sean Hannity the other day shilling hard about "Trump's accomplishment with this wonderful vaccine." Hannity COMPLAINED ABOUT DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS DELAYING THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE VACCINE IN THEIR STATES! Sorry for the shouting and the all caps but I don't want you to miss this. The Orange Monkey has greased the skids or whatever happens next. A smart play by the NWO would be for states like New York and California to STOP distribution of the Warp Speed vaccine, make it public that it's because they don't trust Trump,, and then sit back and watch (some) of the pro-Trump shills push the vaccine on their behalf.
    I'm not sure why you're yelling at me, I agree: Trump's vaccine pushing AND lining the military, for $#@!'s sake, up to "distribute" it, is unforgivable.

    I asked Mrs. AF about it, who is a die-hard Trumper, and she had no good answer.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  29. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Clearly and overall, Big Tech and Big Business abhorred Trump and contributed millions to his defeat.
    I agree. They don't like the man. But they're find with some of his policies.

    I'm not sure why you're yelling at me, I agree: Trump's vaccine pushing AND lining the military, for $#@!'s sake, up to "distribute" it, is unforgivable.

    I asked Mrs. AF about it, who is a die-hard Trumper, and she had no good answer.
    Sorry about the yelling. I get frustrated with some people on both sides who act like brick walls. And I was married to an Obama supporter so we're even.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #176
    Do businesses require other vaccinations ? I am not aware of that . I dont get a flu shot either . $#@! 'em
    Last edited by oyarde; 12-08-2020 at 09:39 PM.



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  32. #177
    Gates Tries to Justify Side Effects of Fast-Tracked Vaccine

    As vaccine companies rush to bring a COVID-19 vaccine to market, billionaire Microsoft founder Bill Gates — who routinely funnels hundreds of millions of dollars to various vaccine projects — warns you will probably need “multiple doses” of any given COVID-19 vaccine for it to be effective.

    mRNA Vaccines May Produce Serious Side Effects


    Aside from the possibility of a paradoxical immune response, mRNA vaccines may in and of themselves be problematic. Inside your cells, mRNA activate DNA instructions, and act as a template to build a specific protein.

    The theory behind mRNA vaccines is that when you inject the mRNA, it will stimulate your own cells to manufacture the virus proteins.12 In this case, those proteins would mimic the proteins found in SARS-CoV-2.

    Conventional vaccines train your body to recognize and respond to the proteins of a particular virus by injecting a small amount of the actual viral protein into your body, thereby triggering an immune response and the development of antibodies.

    mRNA vaccines are designed to make your body produce its own viral protein, which your immune system would then mount a response to. No previous vaccines have had your own cells produce the viral proteins responsible for producing immunity.

    What might go wrong when you turn your body into a viral protein factory, thus activating antibody production on a continual basis? Well, since there are no mRNA vaccines on the market, it’s hard to tell. But, according to researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and Duke University:

    “mRNA vaccines have potential safety issues, including local and systemic inflammation and stimulation of auto-reactive antibodies and autoimmunity, as well as development of edema (swelling) and blood clots.”


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  33. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    After further deliberation, the final decision is: Forcing a vaccine by any means is a violation of individual liberty.

    Why is won't anyone answer this question?

    Maybe you can give it a try?

    Suppose your neighbor hires a guy to cut his grass every week. Then he finds out the grass cutter is gay and since he's deeply religious he fires him. Using your logic is your neighbor "forcing" the grass cutter to go straight? Should the government step in and use force (real force) to make your neighbor keep employing the gay grass cutter? After all being gay has no effect on how he cuts grass and is on his own time, right?

  34. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    ...
    "All risks, in all cases, must be ALARP".

    Blink...blink...ALARP...blink...

    ALARP??

    ALARP???!!!

    What the holy hell is ALARP????
    ...
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  35. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Why is won't anyone answer this question?

    Maybe you can give it a try?

    Suppose your neighbor hires a guy to cut his grass every week. Then he finds out the grass cutter is gay and since he's deeply religious he fires him. Using your logic is your neighbor "forcing" the grass cutter to go straight? Should the government step in and use force (real force) to make your neighbor keep employing the gay grass cutter? After all being gay has no effect on how he cuts grass and is on his own time, right?
    Yep, no effect on doing the job. And something that could easily remain unknown to the customer.

    Seems like a different type of hypothetical. The worker is not being forced to do anything. They are just no longer hired to do a job by a customer. That customer is not the worker’s employer per se, just a single customer. And supposedly being gay will not change, anymore than the color of someone’s skin will change. They are not being asked to do something permanent to themselves.

    More of a reverse “bake the cake” scenario.

    Size and scope does matter. A single person hiring someone to mow the lawn is different from many or most huge employers dictating that everyone be permanently, physically altered.
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