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Thread: 2007 Ron Paul Forum alumni "Elwar" is in big trouble - Help is needed

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    Exclamation 2007 Ron Paul Forum alumni "Elwar" is in big trouble - Help is needed

    Not sure what, if anything can be done, but this needed more attention.

    Mods: please leave up in GP for a few days at least to generate some views. Thanks.

    Please check out this thread and information:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...14#post6785014

    Seasteaders Bitcoin Girl Thailand and Chad Elwartowski Plead for Lives, Legal Help

    https://coinspice.io/news/seasteader...es-legal-help/

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 04-21-2019 at 12:52 AM.
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    Maybe Rand could do something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Maybe Rand could do something?
    Couldn't hurt to ask him.

    Do we have anybody left around that could reach out to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Couldn't hurt to ask him.

    Do we have anybody left around that could reach out to him?
    @Bryan talks with him sometimes.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @Bryan talks with him sometimes.
    Let's hope he checks in.

    Anybody that I knew that was in the loop are all long gone from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Let's hope he checks in.

    Anybody that I knew that was in the loop are all long gone from here.
    Does anyone here have contact with Massie or Mike Lee?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Does anyone here have contact with Massie or Mike Lee?
    Or Amash?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    I thought he wanted to get away from government.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    I thought he wanted to get away from government.
    Is there any truth to the government claims the distance from the shore being only 12NM?

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gen...f-phuket-coast

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Is there any truth to the government claims the distance from the shore being only 12NM?

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/gen...f-phuket-coast
    Had he been 30 NM it would not have mattered. It would be one larger country against a tiny pillar off their coast. The law is in favor of the prosecutor.

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    Calling Massie's office first thing Monday morning!

    This is crazy

    They cant just leave us alone
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    Calling Massie's office first thing Monday morning!

    This is crazy

    They cant just leave us alone
    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Thanks.
    This is not an "I toldja so", I wish Elwar nothing but the best. BUT:

    Isn't this type of reaction exactly what you predicted would befall all these seasteading ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    This is not an "I toldja so", I wish Elwar nothing but the best. BUT:

    Isn't this type of reaction exactly what you predicted would befall all these seasteading ideas?
    Yes...by the numbers
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    Hope everything works out ok for them.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    I thought he wanted to get away from government.
    You can't, they won't let you and it requires one of your own to successfully fight them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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    What about Peter Thiel?

    I mean I know no one here has his ear but isn't this kind of his baby?

    #FREEtheSEA
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Best of luck to Elwar .
    Do something Danke

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    Have they renounced US citizenship? If they haven't then the US embassy would be who they need to contact.


    No offense, but when someone goes off and does something like this, what do they expect? Unless they are trying to become martyrs and bring attention to the fact that governments are evil and aggressive, it was a foregone conclusion that a government would pursue them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Have they renounced US citizenship? If they haven't then the US embassy would be who they need to contact.
    I believe he is a US citizen, not 100% sure, and I think she has Thai citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    So Thai immigration law can come with a death penalty? Didn't know that.

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    This is the issue with seastedding. As impractical as it is, it's actually a decent idea. But then some corrupt government full of ladyboy $#@!ers comes along and says some tiny structure is somehow a threat to sovereignty, in waters they don't own. This is why it won't work. Very sad and I hope he escapes somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    This is the issue with seastedding. As impractical as it is, it's actually a decent idea. But then some corrupt government full of ladyboy $#@!ers comes along and says some tiny structure is somehow a threat to sovereignty, in waters they don't own. This is why it won't work. Very sad and I hope he escapes somehow.
    Suppose for a minute that Seasteading became very popular and millions of people set up their Seastead 12NM off the coast of Thailand. Would that have an adverse effect on Thailand?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Suppose for a minute that Seasteading became very popular and millions of people set up their Seastead 12NM off the coast of Thailand. Would that have an adverse effect on Thailand?
    Yeah, probably.
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    I say we send in @oyarde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    So Thai immigration law can come with a death penalty? Didn't know that.
    There are some here who support shooting people suspected of illegally crossing a border on site without a trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    There are some here who support shooting people suspected of illegally crossing a border on site without a trial.
    Indeed, which is why I do not hang around here so much anymore. The STATISTS, no matter what their screen name is or how they try to sell it have nothing to do with this sites mission, freedom and liberty. They are jack-booted thugs no different than the Fed, LEO and NWO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Indeed, which is why I do not hang around here so much anymore. The STATISTS, no matter what their screen name is or how they try to sell it have nothing to do with this sites mission, freedom and liberty. They are jack-booted thugs no different than the Fed, LEO and NWO.

    Most of the liberty folks I know have fled this forum some time ago with only a few of us left.
    Wouldn't you prefer to fight them over there instead of over here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Thailand's navy has said the pair are threatening the country's sovereignty. "By claiming they own a floating house and using social media tried to sell this kind of house, also they claimed that their house is not under any country's sovereignty, which is not true. And this could cause other people to misunderstand and it is threatening our national security," said Colonel Kataporn Kumthieng, the chief of Phuket's Immigration office.
    Is the threat of death penalty the official position of the Thai government, or just some Colonel in an immigration office?
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