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Even if the Senate was united, the Electoral Count Act would have to be declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS in order for it to go to the House state delegations for a vote. The ECA says that if the Senate and House disagree with each other, the objections are dismissed.
And since the folks responsible for adjudicating these issues are refusing Americans must accept the fact that we are fast heading towards a very very bloody civil war.
. In Chambers v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, 207 U.S. 142, 28 S. Ct. 34, 52 L. Ed. 143 (1907), the Supreme Court characterized this right of access in the following terms:
The right to sue and defend in the courts is the alternative of force. In an organized society it is the right conservative of all other rights, and lies at the foundation of orderly government. It is one of the highest and most essential privileges of citizenship, and must be allowed by each state to the citizens of all other states to the precise extent that it is allowed to its own citizens. Equality of treatment in this respect is not left to depend upon comity between the states, but is granted and protected by the Federal Constitution.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
The question I meant to ask was just the one I asked.
Let's try again.
Who decides whether there was electoral fraud?
Is it sufficient for the VP to say that there was fraud, and so appoint whoever he likes to be POTUS?
If not, then how should this process work in your view?
And since the folks responsible for adjudicating these issues are refusing Americans must accept the fact that we are fast heading towards a very very bloody civil war.
. In Chambers v. Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, 207 U.S. 142, 28 S. Ct. 34, 52 L. Ed. 143 (1907), the Supreme Court characterized this right of access in the following terms:
The right to sue and defend in the courts is the alternative of force. In an organized society it is the right conservative of all other rights, and lies at the foundation of orderly government. It is one of the highest and most essential privileges of citizenship, and must be allowed by each state to the citizens of all other states to the precise extent that it is allowed to its own citizens. Equality of treatment in this respect is not left to depend upon comity between the states, but is granted and protected by the Federal Constitution.
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.DON'T TAX ME BRO!!!
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
This statement carries much weight now than it did few hours ago.
Did Trump just encourage Republicans to vote for Democrats in Georgia Senate election?
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
Question, why globalist neocon funded leader has not called out Lindsey Graham or Mike Lee who had much more influence on Trump foreign policy, foreign aid spending, Iran/Israel policy, stimulus spending instead of trying to put Rand on the spot?
Is it because well funded lobbies did not allow putting on spot strong allies of the only democracy in mideast?
MAGA Allies: 'Bully Israel with undeclared nukes steals land'
Dangerous conspiracy theories on Right claim MAGA fake frontgroup
Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
Obama-Clinton Years: A Violent Chapter in World History
Trump: If (Neocon) Adelson Backs Rubio "He'll Have Total Control" Over Him
Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
There are no alternate electors for Pence to count. Even the PA Trump "electors" themselves said that Congress cannot count their votes unless the state legislatures certify them or there is a final court order! They said that it was a "conditional" vote "on the understanding that if, as a result of a final non-appealable Court Order or other proceeding prescribed by law, [they] are ultimately recognized as being the duly elected and qualified Electors" http://www.pagop.org/2020/12/republi...ocedural-vote/
So, by their own admission, neither Pence nor Congress can count them on Wednesday.
That's what I have been seeing Trumpers saying for the past couple weeks. But what's the actual basis for believing that?
Every state has laws against election fraud and the means in place to investigate it and prosecute the people who committed it. It happens all the time. In fact, I would bet that right now there are individuals all around the country who got caught casting fraudulent votes, some for Biden and others for Trump, already being punished for it. Just like happened in 2016, and every other previous election where people got caught doing it. But that's all separate from what the Senate does. It's not even a federal law, as far as I know.
Last edited by Invisible Man; 01-05-2021 at 07:39 AM.
Whats the Constitutional position?
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Reading through it now.
Looking to see how they can derail the steal.
Wonder what happened with these suits:
8 States in Voting Lawsuits With Election Day Less Than a Week Away.
With Election Day just days away, and early voting already underway in many states, the election-related lawsuits have been piling up, and court decisions (and appeals) have been coming out at a dizzying rate.
Some are still trying to change the rules in the middle of the election that would make it easier to commit fraud and to manipulate election results—not unlike a college football coach persuading the referees to change the rules in the middle of a bowl game to make sure his team can win.
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
The presidential election is comprised of votes cast by electors from the states, not votes of individual citizens through some nationwide democratic election as people generally conceive of it. Each state gets a number of electors equal to its number of senators plus its number of representatives. Each state gets to decide according to its own laws how to determine who gets to be electors, and each state is responsible for enforcing its own laws in how it does that. After each state determines who its electors are through whatever method that is for that state, those electors vote in their states. Their votes are sealed, certified, and sent to be counted pursuant to the 12th Amendment. If a candidate wins the majority of those electoral votes, that candidate is elected president.
So my question for you is, if the majority of the electors, who were chosen through the methods the states set for themselves, and whose votes have all been sealed and certified by their respective states and sent to be opened by Pence and counted before Congress, voted for Biden, how would Biden winning be stealing anything? He would have won exactly according to the rules the Constitution sets.
Last edited by Invisible Man; 01-05-2021 at 08:02 AM.
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