Why is liberal California the poverty capital of America?

[DamianTV]

No. What corrupt relationship do the Koch's have? They get no special favors from government.

Bill Gates became the wealthiest in the world without government. His distance from government is what lead the government to go after him in an antitrust case.

What did government do for Sam Walton when he was building his business? What did the government do for Jeff Bezos?

My life is much better off from the people I listed either because I use their products or in the case of the Koch's because they funded people like Murray Rothbard and FA Hayek.

Walmart (Sam Walton) and Bezos (Amazon) both get Federal Subsidies indirectly. Those low low prices you get are done so by employee exploitation. How many at Walmart do you know that work FULL TIME? They dont. Amazon? Almost exclusively Temp Labor that is hired by Integrity Staffing, who is owned by Amazon, but shields Amazon from lawsuits. The Federal assistance they get comes from Welfare, that the people get when they dont earn enough money to make ends meet. How bout Medicaid? Neither of those companies offer most of their employees insurance. A few get insurance, but most do not. Especially not the temp labor.

Now, the one thing that eludes most people is how this is paid for. We always hear that "we" have to pay for this, but Ive never gotten a bill for someone elses welfare or medicaid. And heres the TRICK. We all pay for it, thru the Hidden Tax of Inflation. Govt "just borrows" the money into existence to pay its bills while looking like the "good guy" because no ones taxes go up. We're still paying for it, and its that price manipulation thru the inflation of money that made the Koch brothers their riches.

Microsoft did get started by making a product. Thing is, when Bill Gates originally made his sales pitch to sell DOS, he did NOT have legal rights to DOS. He bought it off a guy with the money he made thru that first sales pitch. After that, their business practices have been nothing but anti competitive. Dont get me wrong, the diversity of Windows has allowed some great achievements in the tech field, but they have had some stumbling blocks as well. I like Windows 7, but can not stand the spyware heavy Windows 10 always online know everything you do horse$#@!. Im sure that Bill Gates never used his money to influence votes, or even have a personal army of Lobbyists ready to twist the arms of every politician in the District of Criminals, a.k.a. Washington D.C. for those that didnt get that part of the joke.

Seriously dude, usually youre way more aware than this. I really expected you to have taken a much more libertarian attitude. What is up with this new Zippy level of monopoly worship, or are you playing my game of Devils Advocate? (to which I do admit that I occasionally do...)

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Addendum unrelated to Krug's post

California's Homeless Problem Revealed In One "Incredible" Video
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...credible-video

https://youtu.be/zvCGtxeknSg

[AZJoe]

Cruising the California bike path in Anaheim

[AZJoe]

[timosman]

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[Anti Federalist]

Cruising the California bike path in Anaheim

So, after watching this, some questions come to mind...

Why does it appear to be all or mostly white people?

Whites are a minority in California, so why would all these homeless be, apparently, white people?

Have California whites been the only demographic turned into bums and idiots and meth heads?

Or is this what the "disenfranchisement" and "displacement" of white people that I hear the diversity hustlers and colored people talking about, looks like?

The result of being shut out of hiring, handouts and help?

They say that's the future of whites in AmeriKa, colored members of Congress say I am right to "be afraid" of them...is this why?

Is that the future for my children and their children?

And apropos of nothing, why does everybody say California is so pretty and full of natural beauty?

Much of what I have seen of it looks uglier than the dark side of the moon.

[acptulsa]

The rumor here in the foothills of the Ozarks is, Sam Walton got his start by hijacking a truck full of goods headed to an existing drug store. I'd hardly credit him with inventing anything; he just built his imitation KMarts in small towns instead of cities (at first).

So? What does have to do with government or producing good products?

And what does government have to do with producing good products? Do you have the slightest idea what sort of car could be produced with today's technology if it could be designed by engineers, not regulations?

[Krugminator2]

The rumor here in the foothills of the Ozarks is, Sam Walton got his start by hijacking a truck full of goods headed to an existing drug store. I'd hardly credit him with inventing anything; he just built his imitation KMarts in small towns instead of cities (at first).

Last time I checked K-Mart is bankrupt. Wal-Mart isn't. I think I last stepped into a K-Mart when I was about 5 years old. Clearly Sam Walton did something right. Sam Walton is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) entrepreneurs in history.

Do you have the slightest idea what sort of car could be produced with today's technology if it could be designed by engineers, not regulations?

How does that apply to what I said? It doesn't seem at all related to government handing out subsidies.

[Anti Globalist]

Because California is filled with a bunch of idiots who think socialism works and the people don't believe in liberty and freedom.

[acptulsa]

So? What does have to do with government or producing good products?

And what does government have to do with producing good products? Do you have the slightest idea what sort of car could be produced with today's technology if it could be designed by engineers, not regulations?

How does that apply to what I said? It doesn't seem at all related to government handing out subsidies.

In what way does it not apply to what you said (which was nothing containing the word subsidy)?

In any case, the tax tick class generally make more than the people on various assembly lines and in various construction trades, so clearly it applies to the discussion.

[Krugminator2]

In what way does it not apply to what you said (which was nothing containing the word subsidy)?

Well.. You started talking about the regulations on cars when my post was asking what handouts Bill Gates got? I fail to see how what you said relates in any possible way.

[acptulsa]

Well.. You started talking about the regulations on cars when my post was asking what handouts Bill Gates got? I fail to see how what you said relates in any possible way.

Either way, Washington produces nothing of any value to anyone.

Seeing you talk about Sam Walton and Bill Gates makes me wonder if you think either of them ever turned actual raw materials into actual products.

It reminds me of the Hitchhiker's Guide series (perhaps Goodbye and Thanks for All the Fish) where a society packed all its middlemen into a spaceship and shot them off into space. Those people kept the line workers and cooks and even the janitors. It takes more than the person with the slick idea to create wealth.

[Krugminator2]

Seeing you talk about Sam Walton and Bill Gates makes me wonder if you think either of them ever turned actual raw materials into actual products.

It reminds me of the Hitchhiker's Guide series (perhaps Goodbye and Thanks for All the Fish) where a society packed all its middlemen into a spaceship and shot them off into space. Those people kept the line workers and cooks and even the janitors. It takes more than the person with the slick idea to create wealth.

So Bill Gates and Sam Walton have created more wealth than just about any two people in world history.

Turning raw materials in physical products is not necessary to producing wealth. Doing something more efficiently and cheaper creates wealth. In Bill Gates' case marketing software that improves lives creates wealth.

Middlemen also create wealth. It is cool that the Hitchhiker's Guide has stories about about middleman aren't worthwhile. I'll stick to economics textbooks that point out how important middleman and speculators are for creating a properly functioning economy.

[acptulsa]

Turning raw materials in physical products is not necessary to producing wealth. Doing something more efficiently and cheaper creates wealth. In Bill Gates' case marketing software that improves lives creates wealth.

Turning raw materials into products does not create wealth, but turning raw materials into products more efficiently today than it was done yesterday does create wealth?

I suggest you burn those textbooks and get some that make sense. Finding a way to inflate stock prices is not exactly what "creating wealth" means.

[Krugminator2]

I suggest you burn those textbooks and get some that make sense. Finding a way to inflate stock prices is not exactly what "creating wealth" means.

The only people who would agree with you are probably Marxist economists.

Mises spends a lot of time in Human Action ripping arguments like yours to shreds.

[Schifference]

So, after watching this, some questions come to mind...

Why does it appear to be all or mostly white people?

Whites are a minority in California, so why would all these homeless be, apparently, white people?

Have California whites been the only demographic turned into bums and idiots and meth heads?

Or is this what the "disenfranchisement" and "displacement" of white people that I hear the diversity hustlers and colored people talking about, looks like?

The result of being shut out of hiring, handouts and help?

They say that's the future of whites in AmeriKa, colored members of Congress say I am right to "be afraid" of them...is this why?

Is that the future for my children and their children?

And apropos of nothing, why does everybody say California is so pretty and full of natural beauty?

Much of what I have seen of it looks uglier than the dark side of the moon.

I see a lot of fences and barricades. I wonder why?
I think there are a couple of reasons why white people being on the streets. One reason is that it is harder for a white male to get entitlements. A non white woman with kids no problem. If the weather is not too bad, it is kind of like homesteading on a poor level. Stake your claim to your square footage of property and fight to keep it. If you make friends with your neighbors you can protect each other's person and property. In a lot of ways homeless people might experience freedom at a more practical level than everyone that answers to the man.

[acptulsa]

The only people who would agree with you are probably Marxist economists.

Mises spends a lot of time in Human Action ripping arguments like yours to shreds.

It's all right. You figure Bill Gates created wealth because he enabled Joe Day Trader to buy a Ferrari, which is wealth. Meanwhile, the craftsmen who built the actual Ferrari also enabled Joe to buy the Ferrari, but that's not wealth. Even though it's the same Ferrari.

No problem. You can think Mises would agree with that to your heart's content.

[Ender]

I wonder the %age of those people living in poverty in CA are out of staters? I remember watching one of those late night MSNBC documentaries about the homeless people in CA and I was surprised to see that virtually all of them interviewed were transplants from other less prosperous states who failed in their attempt of making it in CA. They started using drugs, got comfortable with the welfare and got stuck there because even the $#@!ty lives in CA was better than what they had back home.

I seriously wonder if they would be in a better shape if they had a better border control along with other regulation and welfare reforms.

A lot of homeless people come to California because of the weather- you can live under a pier or in a woodland in S. California w/o freezing to death, plus the weather is pretty good all year long. This something that many don't take into account when they are talking about homeless stats.

[Krugminator2]

It's all right. You figure Bill Gates created wealth because he enabled Joe Day Trader to buy a Ferrari, which is wealth. Meanwhile, the craftsmen who built the actual Ferrari also enabled Joe to buy the Ferrari, but that's not wealth. Even though it's the same Ferrari.

No problem. You can think Mises would agree with that to your heart's content.

I didn't say anything remotely similar to that. Not even close.

But yes. Mises would agree that entrepreneurs who deliver products better and cheaper create wealth. Day traders create wealth. Bill Gates creates wealth. People who build Ferrari's create wealth. And middlemen create wealth. You seem have this notion that only physical goods are wealth and services aren't wealth. That would be wrong.

[Stratovarious]

The California Symbol of the Bear is being replaced with :
A handicapped parking sticker.

[Anti Federalist]

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[juleswin]

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Watch any skidrow documentary and you will see a trend with the people they interview. That trend being that most of em are out of staters. The gold rush didn't end when the gold mines were cleaned out. People still come to California to make it big.

[Zippyjuan]

Last time I checked K-Mart is bankrupt. Wal-Mart isn't. I think I last stepped into a K-Mart when I was about 5 years old. Clearly Sam Walton did something right. Sam Walton is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) entrepreneurs in history.



How does that apply to what I said? It doesn't seem at all related to government handing out subsidies.

He built his empire with government subsidies. He would get a city/ county/ state to put up the land for a store and huge tax breaks if they located there. Local Mom and Pop stores had a hard time competing against that.

[brushfire]

[Zippyjuan]

He says build more buildings to solve the homeless problem but during his interview, he notes that most of the people on the street in San Francisco don't want to move into a building. They like the freedom of the streets.

[Swordsmyth]

He says build more buildings to solve the homeless problem but during his interview, he notes that most of the people on the street in San Francisco don't want to move into a building. They like the freedom of the streets.

Because they get government handouts.

[Zippyjuan]

Because they get government handouts.

They said it was for the freedom. What would you be willing to give up for $70 a month?

[Swordsmyth]

They said it was for the freedom. What would you be willing to give up for $70 a month?

Liberals claim government handouts are freedom.
They wouldn't do it without the handouts.

[Zippyjuan]

Liberals claim government handouts are freedom.
They wouldn't do it without the handouts.

There have always been homeless- even without handouts. Your cliche talking point doesn't hold up.

[Swordsmyth]

There have always been homeless- even without handouts.

Not nearly so many and most of them were only temporarily homeless, when you subsidize something you get more of it and when you penalize having a home you get less of it.

[brushfire]

He says build more buildings to solve the homeless problem but during his interview, he notes that most of the people on the street in San Francisco don't want to move into a building. They like the freedom of the streets.

To be more direct and to the point, law enforcement aren't enforcing their laws - he's covering the full spectrum of government. The smash and grabs, the tents on the sidewalks, and using the police union to shut out private competition. He's not trying to say the homeless in tents would be housed in affordable housing.

The cost of living is so very high in SF, because they have more demand than supply (a product of regulation and the will of the residents) - a certain class of people can only afford to live there. Stossel points this out to demonstrate the hypocrisy of those who live in SF - they dont want other people living there, and they dont want more "affordable housing", even if it caters to just the upper/middle class. The irony being that these same people, and their elected officials, claim to care about the homeless - their actions suggest otherwise.

I'm surprised that Stossel didnt pick up on ungated rail crossings - how even 1 ungated crossing exists at all in a place like SF is beyond me. When I was there, I was shocked by this - and the human sh!t on the sidewalks. Again, the government has more revenue than probably anywhere else in the US, yet they still prove to be undependable.