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If they ruin the value of your property by actually doing something *to* your property, then sure you do. But that wouldn't be outside the limits of your property.
But if you just mean that them being nearby results in lowering the price you would be able to get by selling your property, then no, you absolutely do not.
If you want to control the other properties that are near yours so that you can keep the people you consider undesirable off of them, then you need to buy those properties. Until you do, they don't belong to you. And you don't have a right to control them just because of how they affect the market value of your land.
I agree...not disputing that at all.
Take away the justification i.e. illegal migrant hordes invading at will, and you will stand a good chance of convincing enough people that constitution free zones are not needed.
Analogy:
Thirty years ago people were terrified of street crime. Many would say justifiably, to walk down certain streets at night was almost certainly a death sentence.
Convince people that arming citizens will reduce crime (stopping migrants at the border) and when successful, you can start making inroads on prison and sentencing reform, which is happening now, even under El Hombre Naranja.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-11-2019 at 11:24 AM.
So, if you decide to build a toxic waste disposal facility next door to me, thus rendering my property worthless, I have no recourse.
Strange...I thought this was a cornerstone of libertarian property rights in which people can recover for damages and losses without government regulations.
I must have been mistaken.
A problem that you could have solved by buying the property yourself, or entering a contract with the person who owned it.
If you own a property, and some black people buy the house next door, and then you find that it's not as easy to sell your property as it used to be, and you think it's because now black people live next door, well, sorry, but you have no just cause to take any action to prevent that happening, or retaliate against them for it.
Are you talking about a toxic waste facility that does nothing at all that has any physical effect on your property? If yes, then see above. If no, then we're back to talking about something where my actions did encroach into your property.
Yes, for actual damages and losses. Other people not wanting to pay you as much as you want them to for your property on account of something that didn't actually affect that property itself is not a damage or loss.
But if you really want to go down this road, then the increased demand for land in the US that would result from allowing all of the people to come live here who want to do so would cause the price you could sell your property for to go up, not down.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-11-2019 at 11:32 AM.
ICE needs to be shut down today.
We have border patrol that is what we need we
are building redundancy upon redundancy, time to
back the truck up over all of these Tyrannical agencies,
non of which were designed to protect any of us.
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Shut down;
ICE
DHS
TSA
and so much more.
Petition the government to build a maximum security prison next door, heck your property
value might even go up, do you want it there?
Then don't forget to take all your South American poor to China with you and start that Shangri la,
utopia, with MASSIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL.
I don't mind if black people buy the house next to me. That's their right as an American citizen. Now if they turn it into a drug house and have all kinds of traffic from customers coming up and down the road in my community then we are going to have a problem. They should have set up shop in an area zoned for business. Mines zoned for residential. And there is a reason for that.
You seem to me a naive man. One that does not understand how communities work. You seem to have a belief system that is just as naive as socialists that call for a Green New Deal. There is the real world, and then there is the land of unicorns and glitter farts.
I never said anything about their citizenship. That's totally irrelevant. If the previous owner of the property chose to sell it to them, then it's now theirs, and they have a right to be there, regardless of citizenship.
You support zoning laws too?
Holy smokes.
Perhaps. If so, then everyone who supports our site mission is naive.
For those who are interested, this question of whether or not central planners in the government should protect someone's land value by dictating what or who can be allowed on nearby land owned by someone else (i.e. zoning laws), rather than handling this issue in the free market, comes up from time to time, and there are a lot of articles and talks on it already available from organizations that share the same mission as this website.
Here are some to peruse.
https://www.google.com/search?q=zoni...w=1920&bih=969 (<-- This one is mises.org. They're own search function doesn't produce a link I can share.)
https://fee.org/search/?q=zoning
https://www.fff.org/?s=zoning
http://www.independent.org/issues/go...ing&gsc.page=1
https://www.aier.org/search?keys=zoning
https://tomwoods.com/ep-932-zoning-do-we-need-it/
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-11-2019 at 12:06 PM.
No Federal Checkpoints
No Checkpoints period
Life just doesn't work the way you want it too. I'm sorry. It just doesn't. I've networked and have a good relationship with my neighbors. We have a child friendly neighborhood. We have a neighborhood watch.
If you think that you're going to move into a house in our neighborhood (and stop with the "You should have bought it," idiocy) set up a meth lab and have all the unsavory meth-heads that you want travel through our neighborhood...you'd be wrong.
Your anarchic, "hey, man, individual rights, dude!" doesn't cut it. Not here where we don't always practice the NAP.
I wasn't saying anything about how things work. I was talking about right and wrong.
Of course we live in a world where people regularly do wrong. The fact that people commonly do something doesn't make it less wrong though.
And if I understood you correctly, you also weren't just making statements about what people commonly do, but rather about what people actually ought to do.
Now it sounds like you're basically saying, "I know that what I advocate is wrong. But I advocate it anyway because it's what I want to do and what I'm going to do, wrong or not."
Well, ok. If that's what you're saying, then at least we agree that what you're talking about is wrong.
ETA: But if you're not just talking about how things are commonly done in this statist world (which demonstrably doesn't work), but what kind of solutions actually would work to accomplish the desired ends with the most good for the most people and the least harm, then you are completely wrong to advocate your statist solutions thinking they work better than the free market would. One of the many advantages of the free market over centrally managed economies, is that it really does work much better, in every way for every issue.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 02-11-2019 at 12:35 PM.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
That may be true but "Your Papers Please" is not acceptable. We've been put into a no-win situation where there are no good solutions to advocate for. ICE says it's because the new Sheriff pulled out of the 287g program that checked immigration status and held people at the jail. Local PD checkpoints are bad enough (to local police's credit, they've scaled DUI and ID checkpoints way back over the last couple years) but Feds operating them in neighborhoods instead is terrible and history warns why repeatedly.
Last edited by devil21; 02-11-2019 at 02:09 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
There's already fences and obstructions wherever feasible. It's not like the border is wide open and I question why people keep talking like it is. But even a new wall doesn't address the situation of those already here.
No liberty minded man or woman could seriously consider advocating for mass round-ups or federal dragnet checkpoints since, as I pointed out, history clearly warns why that ends badly. Especially since the issue has been engineered from the beginning for this outcome by the same people that are now offering such solutions.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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