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  1. #31
    I'm shocked they aren't taking on ammo too.

    One thing they could try is to require ID for ammo, and that info (ID+ammo purchased) would be used to track down possible (likely) gun owners who haven't registered their weapons.
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    Agreed. The public doesn't support it.
    I hope your understanding of what the public wants is more accurate than mine and that our politicians will for once vote accordingly. I have my doubts, though.
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    I hope your understanding of what the public wants is more accurate than mine and that our politicians will for once vote accordingly. I have my doubts, though.
    I wish I could make you a promise. I can't. But this country is pretty passionately divided already. Another passionately divisive wedge hammered home and we just might bust open.
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    They need the resistance crushed BEFORE the economy collapses, which appears to be 2015. In a highly chaotic environment, with food shortages, bank hollidays and commerce breaking down, they are extremely vulnerable. These vermin are aware of this, which explains why they are making such a hard push to incite a reaction on THEIR TERMS, while they still have the trust of the public.
    Last edited by AuH20; 12-27-2012 at 02:35 PM.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    I wish I could make you a promise. I can't. But this country is pretty passionately divided already. Another passionately divisive wedge hammered home and we just might bust open.
    You are right the country is completely polarized. Libertarians are kind of in the middle on some things, but on this most all are going to side with gun owners.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Feinstein's summary of her bill: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons

    I don't see anything about banning handguns as the headline for the thread suggests.
    Depends on what they mean by military characteristics. It will essential neuter any full sized handguns in .40 S&W and lower caliber by banning the magazines.

    Anyway, let them bring it on. Shoot the $#@!ers on site when they come for your guns. When they come for your neighbors guns, you must also do the same. Confiscation follows registration, and genocide follows confiscation. Can't let it come to that.
    Last edited by madengr; 12-27-2012 at 02:43 PM.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by seapilot View Post
    You are right the country is completely polarized. Libertarians are kind of in the middle on some things, but on this most all are going to side with gun owners.
    Peaceful secession is the only solution.

    If the progs want to live as subjects, then who am I to stop them? But I won't be dragged down with them any more than I already have been.

    This is my line in the sand. I will not be treated like a criminal (by a criminal class) for owning guns.
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
    --Albert J. Nock

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    They need the resistance crushed BEFORE the economy collapses, which appears to be 2015.

    Any moment.
    We have allies many of you are not aware of. Watch the tube. Show this to your 30 and under friends. Listen to it. Even if you don't like rap, it has 2.7 million views.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU#t=0m16s

    Cut off one min early to avoid war porn.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I'd agree with that, with the exception being the marines. Most of the marines are surprisingly aware and cognizant of their oath. Some of them are rearing to go.
    Whatever side the Corps is on has already won

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Tod View Post
    I'm shocked they aren't taking on ammo too.

    One thing they could try is to require ID for ammo, and that info (ID+ammo purchased) would be used to track down possible (likely) gun owners who haven't registered their weapons.
    Stop giving them ideas.

    Im sure the bill will include some "registration tax" or variation meant to suck more money out of your pocket if you wish to legally keep whatever you do have. I guess I should stop giving them ideas too huh.

    eta: Oh wait, yep the tax is in there already. "•Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration"
    Last edited by devil21; 12-27-2012 at 03:43 PM.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by youngbuck View Post
    Whatever side the Corps is on has already won
    Perhaps, I don't know - but I don't give a damn what side who is on. If we want to win we need to put the effort into taking action ourselves, regardless of what others are on our side and without having to depend on them. BTW, I have several friends who are former and retired Marines & my father's also a retired Marine (with the highest enlisted rank). It's up to Marines, members of the other branches of the military, Coast Guard, law enforcement, private citizens, etc. to be on the right side, and it's good to hear when anyone from anywhere's on our side.

  15. #42
    I wonder if LEO will comply and register, then hand in, their personal weapons they have at home?

  16. #43
    While america is trying to ban handguns Russia is doing the opposite Russian Senators Propose Legalizing Handguns

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120724/174762380.html

  17. #44
    Just found this petition and SIGNED IT: http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/peti...e-awb/sdKKkKJ5
    Last edited by Neil Desmond; 12-27-2012 at 04:26 PM.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    My first thoughts are:

    1. I wonder which states will be first to secede and what would the military do. Our brave men and women that serve took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, could this trigger a regional break up in the military and a coup in this country.

    2. The bill is not going to go anywhere despite the media activism.
    The military. That's an interesting thought. Like in the middle of a war zone? A third front, suddenly and splitting one side?

    hhhmmm....

    -t

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by green73 View Post
    Over 90% of people opposed the bailouts...
    The lady is as arrogant as politicians come.



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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by coastie View Post
    True. Unfortunately, many of them are quite vocal on that fact, and will be "taken care of" when the time comes.

    Some in this thread seem to forget the generation we're dealing with here, these kids truly don't give a $#@! about some stupid oath. 99.9% of people joining nowadays did so not because of patriotism, but because of financial reasons. I know I did, and so did nearly every other person I served with.


    But, I'd rather be the broke and nearly homeless man I am now with my principles intact, than "doing ok" financially and pointing weapons at fellow Americans while depriving them of their rights. All of this nonsense is making my flu worse.
    If it gets down to that, I intend to force the realization on oath breakers that they made a bad career choice.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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  21. #48
    There is no way they can pass this and every politician that supports this in ANY aspect must removed from office



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by jkob View Post
    There is no way they can pass this and every politician that supports this in ANY aspect must removed from office
    Nice thought (must be removed), but gotta remember Feinstein is introducing the bill in the first place. How did she ever get elected, and what makes you think there is sufficient support for removing her now?
    "Sorry, fellows, the rebellion is off. We couldn't get a rebellion permit."

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Desmond View Post
    Just found this petition and SIGNED IT: http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/peti...e-awb/sdKKkKJ5
    the Whitehouse will, and has ignored petitions. This one will be no exception.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    the Whitehouse will, and has ignored petitions. This one will be no exception.
    When the civil war starts.. it may or may not be handy to have a few things like that petition to point to and say "told ya what would happen.."
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  26. #52
    Great opportunity for Rand to separate himself from the RINOs in the Senate like Rubio, leading up to 2016.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by bxm042 View Post
    When the civil war starts.. it may or may not be handy to have a few things like that petition to point to and say "told ya what would happen.."
    Depending where you live and which side you are on the petition you signed may come back to haunt you.

  28. #54
    Here's what will happen. They will eventually remove "handguns" from the bill to make it look like a good compromise and it will pass.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by logikal View Post
    Here's what will happen. They will eventually remove "handguns" from the bill to make it look like a good compromise and it will pass.
    This is generally the playbook they go by. First bill is so egregious that removing the most heinous of measures makes it look reasonable by the time it gets to the floor of Congress. The NRA will swoop in to claim a "victory" (compromise) for gun owners while the elite still get what they wanted all along, which is a ban on equipment that could rival that of their goons.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  30. #56
    The politicians might not be on our side but I think you've got be diluted as hell not to think the PEOPLE are on our side, even non gun-owners get it.

    Just look at gun and ammo sales over the last 5 years... the lack of political support for this BS issue... on and on it stares you in the face. THE PEOPLE will have and want no part in gun grabbing.

    And you can bet your balls this will only lead me and others to start buying weapons on the black market. I'm not a criminal but i'll turn into one for my guns.
    Last edited by NoOneButPaul; 12-27-2012 at 07:13 PM.
    It's just an opinion... man...



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  32. #57
    I thought the Scotus upheld personal firearm protection a few years ago.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by american.swan View Post
    I thought the Scotus upheld personal firearm protection a few years ago.
    With reasonable restrictions.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by american.swan View Post
    I thought the Scotus upheld personal firearm protection a few years ago.
    Exactly. Which is why when some many of you call people like me who vote for Republicans (Romney) traitors...you fail to recognize just who nominated judges to the supreme court.

    Slutter McGee

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Slutter McGee View Post
    Exactly. Which is why when some many of you call people like me who vote for Republicans (Romney) traitors...you fail to recognize just who nominated judges to the supreme court.

    Slutter McGee
    I recognize it.

    I just don't think it would have made any difference.

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