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    Should businesses be allowed to require a covid vaccine?

    This should be a no brainer for any liberty minded person, but these days who knows?

    Anyway of course businesses should be allowed to require a covid vaccine. It's a voluntary contract between employer and employee. If either party doesn't agree to the conditions they are free to break that contract.



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    Mandating the COVID vaccine through businesses is exactly what the government intends to do. They'll tell every business owner that if they want to hire new people or keep the employees they currently have, they must get the COVID vaccination. Any business owner that refuses will have their business destroyed, they will not be allowed to start a new one, and they will be black balled from ever holding another job.
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    They should. But it would be a horrible business decision considering recent polling shows half of Americans will refuse the vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Mandating the COVID vaccine through businesses is exactly what the government intends to do. They'll tell every business owner that if they want to hire new people or keep the employees they currently have, they must get the COVID vaccination. Any business owner that refuses will have their business destroyed, they will not be allowed to start a new one, and they will be black balled from ever holding another job.
    That's a different case. The government should not be allowed to force businesses to require a vaccine.

    I'm talking about a business owner that decides of his own free will to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. He should be allowed to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Mandating the COVID vaccine through businesses is exactly what the government intends to do. They'll tell every business owner that if they want to hire new people or keep the employees they currently have, they must get the COVID vaccination. Any business owner that refuses will have their business destroyed, they will not be allowed to start a new one, and they will be black balled from ever holding another job.
    No, that would be against the person's own medical freedom. Especially since they are hell bent on destroying all small businesses, these large corporations are becoming defacto branches of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a different case. The government should not be allowed to force businesses to require a vaccine.

    I'm talking about a business owner that decides of his own free will to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. He should be allowed to do so.
    Sure, and if nobody wants to work for him, he might decide to change his requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    This should be a no brainer for any liberty minded person, but these days who knows?

    Anyway of course businesses should be allowed to require a covid vaccine. It's a voluntary contract between employer and employee. If either party doesn't agree to the conditions they are free to break that contract.


    Renowned scientist tells Laura Ingraham the COVID-19 vaccine is 'downright dangerous' and will send you 'to your doom'

    The expert, Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D., speaking on a Skype video link from his home in Germany,

    In response to Ingraham's final question, "So you think the COVID-19 vaccine is unnecessary?" Bhakdi replied: "I think it's downright dangerous. And I warn you, if you go along these lines, you are going to go to your doom" (emphasis added)

    Laura Ingraham, Fox News channel host: On the social distancing and the mask, just to focus on that for a moment, which of those two in your research and your work has been the most displaced?

    Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi: Both.

    Ingram: Both. Not backed up by the science.

    Bhakdi: Zero science.


    In a nutshell, the vaccine is unnecessary and will probably kill you , and face masks and social distancing are not supported by science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a different case. The government should not be allowed to force businesses to require a vaccine.

    I'm talking about a business owner that decides of his own free will to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. He should be allowed to do so.
    But it will not be that way. It will be a condition of them being able to acquire insurance. Just like every other tyrannical mandate that's been laid on private business owners.
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    Already there's reports coming out about in the UK you don't have to go through C19 protocols at airports if you pay a premium. The ultimate system of haves and have nots is being set up as we speak. Yet folks want to jump up and down and scream about a circus sideshow of a selection.
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    This is the mindset trying to take hold on RPF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belian78 View Post
    Already there's reports coming out about in the UK you don't have to go through C19 protocols at airports if you pay a premium. The ultimate system of haves and have nots is being set up as we speak. Yet folks want to jump up and down and scream about a circus sideshow of a selection.

    Link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    This should be a no brainer for any liberty minded person, but these days who knows?

    Anyway of course businesses should be allowed to require a covid vaccine. It's a voluntary contract between employer and employee. If either party doesn't agree to the conditions they are free to break that contract.
    No , they deserve to be bulldozed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by belian78 View Post
    Already there's reports coming out about in the UK you don't have to go through C19 protocols at airports if you pay a premium. The ultimate system of haves and have nots is being set up as we speak. Yet folks want to jump up and down and scream about a circus sideshow of a selection.
    Link?
    I'd like to see that too.
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    Should businesses be able to refuse admission, goods, and or services to people that have not been vaccinated?

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    Its called an unconscionable contract and libertarians make fools of themselves by pretending the concept doesn't exist.

    Libertarians will take the Mark of the Beast if it is corporations that require it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a different case. The government should not be allowed to force businesses to require a vaccine.

    I'm talking about a business owner that decides of his own free will to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. He should be allowed to do so.
    If they make that decision based on their free will then yes businesses should be allowed to do that. I'm just saying that pretty soon business wont be able to exercise their free will at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    If they make that decision based on their free will then yes businesses should be allowed to do that. I'm just saying that pretty soon business wont be able to exercise their free will at all.
    Exactly.

    From. a Libertarian standpoint a transaction is voided if procured by violence or FRAUD.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post


    In a nutshell, the vaccine is unnecessary and will probably kill you
    Interesting hypothesis. So if 50% of people take the vaccine. And you say it will probably kill you, then that means you think 25% or more of the population will die of a Covid vaccine.

    Okay. Seems like a super smart and well reasoned take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    If they make that decision based on their free will then yes businesses should be allowed to do that. I'm just saying that pretty soon business wont be able to exercise their free will at all.
    I agree. My guess is that Team Biden avoids passing any kind of individual mask penalty, the penalties will be aimed at businesses. Liberals are actually quite libertarian when it comes to their own lives, they only want to practice socialism with other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    No, that would be against the person's own medical freedom. Especially since they are hell bent on destroying all small businesses, these large corporations are becoming defacto branches of government.
    No, the employee is being asked to give up certain freedoms voluntarily in exchange for a salary. I'd love to watch tv all day at work but I had to give up that right in exchange for my salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Should businesses be able to refuse admission, goods, and or services to people that have not been vaccinated?
    Of course. But then they'd go out of business

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Interesting hypothesis. So if 50% of people take the vaccine. And you say it will probably kill you, then that means you think 25% or more of the population will die of a Covid vaccine.

    Okay. Seems like a super smart and well reasoned take.
    Krugminator , the contrarian, argues that he will gladly vaccinate because there is only a 50% chance that he will die and he loves Russian Roulette.

    He is impliedly , not concerned about the fact that that the vaccinators are IMMUNE from lawsuits. So if he dies or is injured BigPharma can laugh on his face and say TOUGH S H I T.

    Krugminator , go for it. Knock yourself out.

    I shall pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Krugminator , the contrarian, argues that he will gladly vaccinate because there is only a 50% chance that he will die and he loves Russian Roulette.
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    I didn't say anything close to that. Not even in the ballpark.

    I did ridicule you for believing that vaccines will kill almost 100 million Americans. I did do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    No, the employee is being asked to give up certain freedoms voluntarily in exchange for a salary. I'd love to watch tv all day at work but I had to give up that right in exchange for my salary.
    Yes, because that's an argument. Your employer wanting you to perform your job function and not watch TV while on the job is the same as an employer forcing an unsound medical decision on a person that has zero to do with a person's ability to perform that said job function. Then we wonder why the left is winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Its called an unconscionable contract and libertarians make fools of themselves by pretending the concept doesn't exist.

    Libertarians will take the Mark of the Beast if it is corporations that require it.
    If ya boii Trump had proposed the mark, you'd be here chiding all of us if we opposed it.

    Btw I honestly don't think that you would.....and I honestly don't think you fully agree with your comment about libertarians either. So why'd you post it? Hyperbole?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Renowned scientist tells Laura Ingraham the COVID-19 vaccine is 'downright dangerous' and will send you 'to your doom'

    The expert, Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D., speaking on a Skype video link from his home in Germany,

    In response to Ingraham's final question, "So you think the COVID-19 vaccine is unnecessary?" Bhakdi replied: "I think it's downright dangerous. And I warn you, if you go along these lines, you are going to go to your doom" (emphasis added)

    Laura Ingraham, Fox News channel host: On the social distancing and the mask, just to focus on that for a moment, which of those two in your research and your work has been the most displaced?

    Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi: Both.

    Ingram: Both. Not backed up by the science.

    Bhakdi: Zero science.


    In a nutshell, the vaccine is unnecessary and will probably kill you , and face masks and social distancing are not supported by science.
    This piece of partisanship doesn't answer the question. Participating in an intelligent conversation requires more than regurgitating the Partisan Message of the Day in a big, fat font.

    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    If ya boii Trump had proposed the mark, you'd be here chiding all of us if we opposed it.

    Btw I honestly don't think that you would.....and I honestly don't think you fully agree with your comment about libertarians either. So why'd you post it? Hyperbole?
    But you know why. How else could he make a living? Personalities like that are incapable of customer service. Government is the only employer that'll have them.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-05-2020 at 12:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a different case. The government should not be allowed to force businesses to require a vaccine.

    I'm talking about a business owner that decides of his own free will to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. He should be allowed to do so.
    If Sola_Fide were he then he would tell you that you don't have freewill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Its called an unconscionable contract and libertarians make fools of themselves by pretending the concept doesn't exist.

    Libertarians will take the Mark of the Beast if it is corporations that require it.
    The Mark of the Beast will be enforced by world government decree. You don't have a constitutional right to a job and hence little if any recourse if you decide not to take a job on moral grounds. If a Muslim or a Jew signs up for a job at a meat packing plant there is a good chance that they will have to touch a dead pig for example. But the government should not force someone to touch a pig or eat it. That's why prisoners can request special diets. That said, it was Trump that pushed for the "warp speed" vaccine and it was Trump who said the military would deliver it. Why would the military need to deliver a "voluntary" vaccine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I didn't say anything close to that. Not even in the ballpark.

    I did ridicule you for believing that vaccines will kill almost 100 million Americans. I did do that.
    Krugminator, a member of the Fauci Crime Syndicate, did not and could not attack my German Scientist source.

    And he did not , and could not, attack the FACT that BigPharma is IMMUNE from tort lawsuits .

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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    Yes, because that's an argument. Your employer wanting you to perform your job function and not watch TV while on the job is the same as an employer forcing an unsound medical decision on a person that has zero to do with a person's ability to perform that said job function. Then we wonder why the left is winning.
    No, the left is winning because people like you who claim to be from the "right" have a fundamental misunderstanding of liberty. Business can't use force to make their employees do anything. It's a voluntary condition of the contract. That's how liberty works, things are voluntary. Your position is that the government would use real force to make employers not require vaccines. That decreases liberty. The proper definition of your position is fascism, that's where the government allows you to "own" your business but then tells you exactly how you have to run it, by deadly force.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    This piece of partisanship doesn't answer the question. Participating in an intelligent conversation requires more than regurgitating the Partisan Message of the Day in a big, fat font.



    But you know why. How else could he make a living? Personalities like that are incapable of customer service. Government is the only employer that'll have them.
    Here is another member of the Fauci Crime Syndicate.

    He calls my argument “partisan” totally ignoring the fact that 1) my position has a SCIENTIFIC basis and 2) it has a LEGAL basis - why the f u c k should I be forced to vaccinate when BigPharma is exempted from tort lawsuits ?!?!?!?!


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