Trump will meet with North Korea's Kim Jong Un for nuclear talks

[Jan2017]

Trump will meet with North Korea's Kim Jong Un for nuclear talks

WASHINGTON — President Trump will meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un by May for high-level talks toward a nuclear-free Korean peninsula, a South Korean official said outside the White House on Thursday.
It would be the first face-to-face meeting in history between a U.S. president and a North Korean leader.

The opening came through shuttle diplomacy by a South Korean delegation that arrived in Washington on Thursday. Trump heralded the development as a “major announcement” after speaking with the South Korean president.
"I told President Trump that in our meeting, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said he's committed to denuclearization. He pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear or missile tests," South Korean national security adviser Chung Eui-yong told reporters after meeting with Trump at the White House.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rea/408781002/

[Todd]

What a unique concept. Talking to our enemies. I don't think we've talked at a Summit level with a true hostile since Reagan did. I could be wrong.

[Jan2017]

Media will be a real hoot . . . a blast -

North Korea: What could possibly go wrong when Trump meets Kim Jong Un?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-un/409755002/

First they have to find a place. Any suggestions I wonder . . .

Does Trump go to Pyongyang — North Korea's capital — or does Kim travel to Washington? This question needs answering.
Trump has previously said that North Korea is the "last place on Earth I want to go." A North Korean leader has never visited the United States. It's not even clear if Kim has ever left his country while leader.

[goldenequity]

see fer yerself


DPRK News Service- @DPRK_News
Marshal Kim Jong-Un said to be choosing appropriate ring for US president Donald Trump to kiss.

https://twitter.com/dprk_news

[AuH20]

[enhanced_deficit]

This would very likely put Trump in the race for Nobel Peace Prize.

Person with forged identity nominated Trump for Nobel peace prize, officials say



Although some called him 'white Obama' , his Nobel Peace Prize might have better shine than Obama's if he won.

Some Dem libs are already starting to see it's not a winning strategy:

Why nobody should care about Trump's alleged affair with Stormy Daniels
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...307-story.html

[Raginfridus]

Media will be a real hoot . . . a blast -

North Korea: What could possibly go wrong when Trump meets Kim Jong Un?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-un/409755002/

First they have to find a place. Any suggestions I wonder . . .

Does Trump go to Pyongyang — North Korea's capital — or does Kim travel to Washington? This question needs answering.
Trump has previously said that North Korea is the "last place on Earth I want to go." A North Korean leader has never visited the United States. It's not even clear if Kim has ever left his country while leader.

Kim went to school in Switzerland or the Netherlands I thought. Either would seem logical.

If he wants a real hamburger, why not here? DT Kirby's will make them all believers.

[TheCount]

What a unique concept. Talking to our enemies. I don't think we've talked at a Summit level with a true hostile since Reagan did. I could be wrong.

Not at the executive level, I don't think.

[enhanced_deficit]

What a unique concept. Talking to our enemies. I don't think we've talked at a Summit level with a true hostile since Reagan did. I could be wrong.

Much better to talk than drop bombs/embargo each other.
Some critics in media are nitpicking already, top headline on google news now.

Trump isn't the first US President to get a North Korean invite. But he's the first to accept.
CNN 43m ago

Trump Is a Dangerous Idiot. So Why Are We Pushing Him Toward War?
Featured RollingStone.com 3h ago

[spudea]

He has known what to do since 1999, and the media says "HUR DURR THERES NO WAY HE CAN BE PREPARED BY MAY!"

[nikcers]

North Korea has created more counterfeit money then anybody other then the FED. This is a Mexican standoff, there is no way that they don't want to make an example out of him. They are going to bomb the $#@! out of North Korea and they are going to do it preemptively.

The only thing that Kim can do now is hope that they don't preemptively attack him and just try to provoke him into attacking like they want him to do, they want to create the conditions that we attacked for noble reasons even though its because they have been cheating the bank and the bank doesn't let anyone do that, they don't even let us cheat the bank, they just know that they can jack interest rates up and take all of our $#@!.

[AZJoe]

US "Mainstream" Media:

Trump is a madman who wants to lead us into war against North Korea.
Now: Trump is a madman who wants to lead us into peace with North Korea.

[TheCount]

If Trump doesn't like the Iran deal, what sort of deal would he like for NK? Isn't the Iran deal exactly what is needed to solve NK? The situation are very similar; sanctions, frozen money, nuke program, foreign provocations and proxy warfare.

[EBounding]

Does this suggest that sanctions can be effective?

[spudea]

If Trump doesn't like the Iran deal, what sort of deal would he like for NK? Isn't the Iran deal exactly what is needed to solve NK? The situation are very similar; sanctions, frozen money, nuke program, foreign provocations and proxy warfare.

total and complete nuclear disarmament. KJU mentioned guaranteeing his regime's safety. That could mean political changes as well. Iran keeps their reactors, their centrifuges, can continue their missile and terrorist funding programs and still be "adhering" to the deal... That's not gonna work for Trump on NK.

[enhanced_deficit]

A common theme emerging in media reporting on North Korea is that Trump is giving them too many headlines to work with, tackling too many issues at too fast a pace. You would think they'd thank him for giving them so much business but none of that, at least not in public.

This week in Trump: The full Nunberg, porn star lawsuit and North Korea surprise

USA TODAY Published March 9, 2018


President Trump shocked the world, accepting North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's invitation to discuss a nuclear-free Korean peninsula. It’s historic and high-stakes.

Thursday

► North Korea meeting: In a bombshell announcement outside the West Wing, South Korean diplomats say Trump had agreed to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. The meeting, which will take place by May at a site yet to be determined, will be the first face-to-face summit ever between a U.S. president and his North Korean counterpart.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ise/411403002/



Even TV comedians have joined critics of Trump's NK stance and are trying to paint him as "ignorant" who doesn't know what he's doing. Didn't find a shorter version of this mish mash video, FF to 0:45 mark, NK topic is from 0:45 to 3:00.

https://youtu.be/WIPq31qWffQ?t=45

[AuH20]

Of course. China doesn't want a gigantic humanitarian crisis flowing into their country. They have enough mouths to feed.

[Raginfridus]

Does this suggest that sanctions can be effective?

I think it suggests China and Russia have big leverage within NK, and that backroom talks are more effective than fearmongering press or soundbytes.

[kpitcher]

After reading a few articles on it this one amused me :

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-babbling.html

It sounds from this account that Trump had no real idea that North Korea has always wanted a face-to-face meeting with the U.S. president, and the U.S. has always imposed conditions. ... It certainly appears Trump believed, in the moment, that North Korea had not been interested in a meeting until then, so he needed to take the deal before they changed their mind. Whatever. Art of the Deal.

So then the administration rushed out its breakthrough announcement. But now the administration has to slowly back away without quite acknowledging it is doing so. Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters today Trump won’t meet with North Korea unless they offer concrete concessions beforehand:

Press Sec. Sanders on talks with North Korea: "The president will not have the meeting without seeing concrete steps and concrete actions take place by North Korea." https://t.co/phiWfrQOEU pic.twitter.com/7xHdQse21v
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) March 9, 2018

Of course, that’s the old policy. Which means Trump shot off his mouth and got excited and then his advisers had to explain to him why he can’t do that. Or maybe they haven’t explained it to him and are backing out without his permission.

[Zippyjuan]

North Korea has entered nuclear agreements several times in the past. Once they got what they wanted, they went back to what they were doing before. Trump being played but will declare victory anyways.

[Swordsmyth]

North Korea has entered nuclear agreements several times in the past. Once they got what they wanted, they went back to what they were doing before. Trump being played but will declare victory anyways.

You want us to go to war?

[AZJoe]

North Korea has entered nuclear agreements several times in the past. Once they got what they wanted, they went back to what they were doing before. Trump being played but will declare victory anyways.

Zippy is incorrect. By "several times" he must mean exactly two and only once with the US. The rest of his statement is false.

North Korea had a non-proliferation agreement with the USSR whereby the USSR promised to provide protection if NK did not pursue nuclear weapons. However with the end of the USSR, that assurance also ended.

In 1994, NK entered a new agreement with USA whereby there would be no economic sanctions on NK, oil would be allowed to flow to NK, US would build light water nuclear reactors, provide heavy fuel, and in return NK would not pursue nuclear weapons. US admits NK kept that agreement until 2002, although the US never built the reactors and regularly delayed the heavy fuel.

However in 2000, North and South Korea entered into the "Sunshine Policy". This was a policy for expanded economic trade and relations between the North and South with an eventual end-goal of peaceful reunification. The two Koreas signed a non-aggression pact. Tens of thousands of South Koreans began visiting the North. The South set up factories in the North that employed thousands of North Korean workers. Investment money rolled in. The North was opening up. Capitalism had taken roots. Information, travel, dialogue, capitalism, exchange , trade, progress was taking place.

Bush and particularly the neocon members of his incoming cabinet were wholly against the Sunshine Policy and any peaceful advances between the two Koreas. They sought ways to stop it. In 2001 Bush gave his "Axis of Evil" speech naming North Korea, and the onslaught of accusations and criticizing everything North Korean began.

In 2002, "WMD" Bush and his neocon cabinet members claimed NK unilaterally violated it in 2002. This opened sanctions back up, and immediately pulled the plug on the North-South Sunshine Policy. (The same "Iraq has WMDs" and "We're only going into Afghanistan to capture Osama bin Laded" Bush administration). More on Bush sabotage of the Sunshine Policy.

Unsurprisingly "WMD" Bush & Co.'s assertions have been disputed. The Bush claims were far less than sufficient, lacking in credibility, and without any actual verified corroboration. See here.

However, evidence was not needed. Bush & Co. accomplished their goal with mere accusations. It appears that Bush made the proclamation as pretext for Washington to back out of its agreement in order to sabotage the Sunshine Policy. With the US backing out, the resumption of sanctions, the belligerent rhetoric, and the sabotaging of the Sunshine Policy, NK resumed its nuclear program. What choice did they have.

Since that time Washington has staged an annual (and now multi annual) mock invasions of North Korea, together with increasing sanctions and increasingly harsh rhetoric. These mock invasion exercises involved bombers flying up to the edges of the DMZ, activation of missile carrying ship groups, activation of armor, artillery, missiles and troops. It is hard to think of anything more aggressive, more threatening, more provocative, by one nation to another short of the actual invasion.

[goldenequity]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to AZJoe again.

[Jan2017]

North Korea has entered nuclear agreements several times in the past. Once they got what they wanted, they went back to what they were doing before. Trump being played but will declare victory anyways.

I'll agree . . .but several = 2
. . . with whoever this new avatar poster is (?)

Trump tweets claims of support by China and Japan for summit with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un

Asian leaders see the prospect of a Trump-Kim summit as a helpful, de-escalating step, experts said.
But the uncertainty surrounding the planned meeting has also created new anxieties.

Among them are that Trump was too quick to agree to a meeting without any apparent conditions, and that
his sometimes impetuous approach could lead to unfortunate concessions.

“The leaders of Japan and China see significant promise but also a certain risk in the prospect of a [U.S.-North Korea] summit,”
said Daniel Russel, a regional expert at the Asia Society who until last year served as assistant secretary of state for East Asia.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.37caa797dbff

North Korea: What could possibly go wrong when Trump meets Kim Jong Un?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-un/409755002/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAKOLOnfV4

[Jan2017]

Much better to talk than drop bombs/embargo each other.
Some critics in media are nitpicking already, top headline on google news now.

This really is gonna make or break Trump - so, yah, top headline everywhere.

I see in our immediate future an SNL skit or two featuring a Trump - Kim Jong-un encounter/meeting/handshake . . .
or sometin' to break the tension.

[Jan2017]

If Trump doesn't like the Iran deal, what sort of deal would he like for NK? Isn't the Iran deal exactly what is needed to solve NK?

Uh, NO.

As part of the bad John Kerry-Obama Iran deal, Russia can have unlimited uranium hexafluoride produced in Iran - Iran is a NPT state-nation.

On the Korean peninsula, what the deal is . . .
is for NK to get back into the NPT treaty and the required UN inspections . . . they have already "proliferated" nuclear weaponry, unlike Iran.

[Jan2017]

Zippy is incorrect. By "several times" he must mean exactly two and only once with the US. The rest of his statement is false.

In 2001 Bush gave is "Axis of Evil" speech naming North Korea and the onslaught of accusations and criticizing everything North Korean began.

In 2002, "WMD" Bush and his neocon cabinet members claimed NK unilaterally violated it in 2002. This opened sanctions back up, and immediately pulled the plug on the North-South Sunshine Policy.

And we have at the 2018 Olympics on-stage . . . opening ceremony none other than an Acting un-VP Mike "No Daylight" Pence
closing ceremony Ivanka Trump standing and applauding the athletes as the US chief diplomatic liason

I am wondering just who will be in the USA entourage for the North Korea - U.S. Summit . . .
a Senator or two who can offer perspective on treaties (?) Maybe a golf partner (?)

[goldenequity]

@zerohedge
N.KOREA'S KIM JONG UN WANTS U.S. EMBASSY IN PYONGYANG: DONGA
@zerohedge
N. KOREA WANTS PEACE TREATY, BUILD RELATIONS WITH U.S.: DONG-A

Gregor Peter @L0gg0l
Breaking Kim Jong-Un said to seek peace treaty with U.S, could release detainees as a "gift", Donga Ilbo says

[Jan2017]

PUBLISHED: 23:54, Sun, Mar 11, 2018 | UPDATED: 00:06, Mon, Mar 12, 2018
North Korea DESPERATE for peace treaty with Trump and offer captured US citizens as 'GIFT'

“Time and place to be determined.”

With their meeting expected to take place before May, the President also reassured:
“North Korea has not conducted a missile test since November 28, 2017, and has promised not to do so through our meetings."
“I believe they will honour that commitment!”

​At a campaign rally for Republican candidate Rick Saccone in Pennsylvania today,
Trump continued his own crusade: “This should have been handled 30 years ago."

“A lot of people thought we were going to war. Now North Korea is saying they want to denuclearise."
“That’s what we do - we handle things."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-citizens-gift

[Raginfridus]

It would be great if Kim wants peace and economic integration with the South, like his father began before his death, but even better if China and Russia were holding him to this.

I'm not worried Kim backs out so much as getting neoconned.